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Again, you are not listening and you pick tidbits out of context.
Cable pulling was an example. I don't do it. I have people with certs do the dirty work. And that is not to demean them because I hire only very qualified techs too. When setting up a new network in a facility, it still must be done and I expect it to be done correctly, the first time. And they get paid well to do it right too. But the project manager still gets paid more because he is responsible to ensure all those techs (and the programmers too, sysadmins, security, etc.) do their jobs right too.And I didn't say "monitoring software". I said "setup monitoring, establish metrics, conduct the statistical analysis, create the training program, report status to executive management, then train our replacements". That is quite a bit above an entry-level position of someone who just watches a screen looking for problems.
And if you think establishing network monitoring on a secure, statewide distributive network tied to a state's mainframe is entry level, then you don't understand the complexity of such a WAN/intranet. Those "monitors" are really "controllers" and sysadmins for the distributive computing side, and the mainframe interface too.
You have made it clear you think you know the "whole" industry PM, but I am sorry, it is clear you don't. You may understand your company, but that is not how the global industry works.
Exactly. The degree establishes the foundation, but is much more than that. It is stepping stone to branch out into many areas because to get a degree you already demonstrated an ability to learn and accomplish a variety of things.
As for English, I did not mean to imply a CompSci, IT, Applied Electronics, etc. gives you a minor in English. By advanced, I meant above normal "high school" level. Sorry for not making that clear. As you noted you still had to take some English classes to get your degree. Mine, for example, was not a straight-up English class, but Technical writing.
It is not a matter about talent, intelligence, or abilities. It is about opportunities. Doors that open that never would otherwise.
They don't! Unless it is a family owned business. But formal qualifications does not imply just certs. And BTW, this education culture is not different between here in the US or in NZ, or Europe. The certs are the same. While the names of a 4 year degree may be different, they mean the same too. IT means the same thing here and there and everywhere. Ethernet and wireless networks work the same. PCs work the same. The Internet works the same. The technologies are the same. And it takes the same skills, knowledge and expertise to build, maintain, and manage them all.Pill Monster said:
But again, if you are like Pill Monster's coworkers and are not concerned the future, stick with certs, do your job correctly, and you surely make a nice living.
Pill Monster said:
Yeah right! 
Open your eyes and look around you. All around you - not just in your work place and see who is making the big money. Who will be secure when they take their early retirement. Who will be working, out of necessity, into their 70s and beyond. Stop trying to fool yourselves.See that E7 in my sig. That means I was Enlisted, not a commissioned officer. That means I was the tech doing the actual work. Then I got my degree and moved into management - and higher pay. Again, I have been on both sides of the fence, and the big money, the one that lets me retire without worries, is on this side.
And again, there are always exceptions around, but you cannot count on you being the exception. You must invest for your retirement.
