[Help] i7-5820K , X99 Motherboard

[tabascosauz]

Guess I'm wrong... I've just read that UD4 still has issues with the UEFI bios and never resolved.

Since we're going there, An Asus X99 burned not long after launch.

What kind of issues?

 

[Freezer]

Believe I found my mainboard.

ASRock Fatal1ty X99X Killer
Xeon and ECC support, if I needed to, plus it seems to be equivilant to Asus Sabortooth and UD4.

http://us.hardware.info/comparisontable/products/242057-245111-285519-246563-292437

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_x99_tuf_sabertooth_review,1.html

Advice?

 

[tabascosauz]

Believe I found my mainboard.

ASRock Fatal1ty X99X Killer
Xeon and ECC support, if I needed to, plus it seems to be equivilant to Asus Sabortooth and UD4.

http://us.hardware.info/comparisontable/products/242057-245111-285519-246563-292437

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_x99_tuf_sabertooth_review,1.html

Advice?

Slow down, speed racer, and answer our questions first.

What is "equivalent"? ASRock prices rather low so their boards often hit features above their supposed category. If you can get over their oft-clunky UEFI, sometimes nonsensical English, and obsession with ISL6xxx PWM controllers (which end up being negligible in overclocking performance, since ASRock has ditched DPAK MOSFETs), ASRock is usually a good buy. They have good M.2 across their entire lineup, and also offer what I believe is the most full-featured mATX X99 family.

 

[Freezer]

I'm referring "equivalent" to benchmarks, and features. What either mainboard uses for capacitors and other electrical components I wouldn't have the slightest clue.

I looked at the benchmarks, some reviews, and noticed the ASRock X99X Killer is ECC / Xeon / 128GB compatible, thinking down the road.

 

[Freezer]

but that sabertooth board is so tempting. lol.

 

[Cvrk]

I see for you money is not an issue . Still what are you gonna do with 32GB of ram ? 16 is more then enough. think about it. maybe take the money difference and put it somewhere else.

 

[cadaveca]

I'm referring "equivalent" to benchmarks, and features. What either mainboard uses for capacitors and other electrical components I wouldn't have the slightest clue.

I looked at the benchmarks, some reviews, and noticed the ASRock X99X Killer is ECC / Xeon / 128GB compatible, thinking down the road.

Most ASRock boards have similar CPU/memory support.

So, let's be straight here. You need to find a board with an OC socket, and you want to spend form the middle price range to high-end to get the most out of the X99 platform, IMHO. I have several CPUs and have had many many boards for this platform, and there is definite differences between boards and clocking abilities. You need that OC socket. And you need decent power delivery, since you're looking at about 300W for the CPU. You also need decent cooling then, too.

You can save a few dollars, but then you might end up with a mediocre experience.

I'll also say that 8 GB stocks provide more performance than 4 GB sticks (single rank vs dual rank), so get 4x 8 GB sticks for 32 GB for the best all around.

 

[Freezer]

I see for you money is not an issue . Still what are you gonna do with 32GB of ram ? 16 is more then enough. think about it. maybe take the money difference and put it somewhere else.

The price of memory is no different than the price of DDR3 kits. Also, as you probably missed this is a CAD / Rendering workstation... memory is essential.

Most ASRock boards have similar CPU/memory support.

So, let's be straight here. You need to find a board with an OC socket, and you want to spend form the middle price range to high-end to get the most out of the X99 platform, IMHO. I have several CPUs and have had many many boards for this platform, and there is definite differences between boards and clocking abilities. You need that OC socket. And you need decent power delivery, since you're looking at about 300W for the CPU. You also need decent cooling then, too.

You can save a few dollars, but then you might end up with a mediocre experience.

I'll also say that 8 GB stocks provide more performance than 4 GB sticks (single rank vs dual rank), so get 4x 8 GB sticks for 32 GB for the best all around.

Yes, we're discussing alternative boards. I provided a spec sheet in my last post. ASrock seems to be the best option since its compatible with both ECC/Xeon, for expansion down the road when and if I need it, though, I do want to OC the 5820K and get the most of it. I like the Sabertooth, but there is no ECC Support.


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[cadaveca]

I like the Sabertooth, but there is no ECC Support.

Then don't buy the ASUS. No big deal.

 

[Freezer]

Then don't buy the ASUS. No big deal.

I have no idea what you're talking about then, since you never mentioned your suggestion. Asus/ASrock, same company, both are great boards with overclocking.

 

[cadaveca]

I have no idea what you're talking about then, since you never mentioned your suggestion. Asus/ASrock, same company, both are great boards with overclocking.

They aren't the same company. They have very different designs and use different components to build their products. These differences in design and components affects one ability to clock over the other. Even boards that have OC sockets clock differently from each other from brand to brand. Memory that works great on one board, won't boot on another, even within the same brand (ie, ASUS).

It's hard for me to give a singular suggestion. I get boards to review, and have seen how most cater to a specific user, but your particular uses as you've explained them span several different usage types.

 

[R-T-B]

Just out of curiosity, what is the "never resolved" issue with thd UD4 bios? Only problem my old UD3 had was a lack of ms eDrive support

 

[Aquinus]

Quick question. With a budget this high and rendering being an important thing, is there any reason why a 2P platform hasn't been considered?

Is there any reason a 2P platform hasn't been suggested? The OP could get a quad-core 2011-3 Xeon with a 2P motherboard and later down the road it would only cost 350 USD to ad a second and go from 4c/8t to 8c/16t.

 

[Freezer]

Quick question. With a budget this high and rendering being an important thing, is there any reason why a 2P platform hasn't been considered?

This is a "high" budget? Oh, if I really wanted to build a WS... that'd be 10x what was noted in the OP. Also there is no point in dual xeons, I have an A360 sub.... also B-E is around the corner.

They aren't the same company. They have very different designs and use different components to build their products.

Right. Yet from what I recall they're sister companies,

 

[cadaveca]

Right. Yet from what I recall they're sister companies,

At one point they were, but AFAIK, its been several years that they have been completely separate. I think it was when ASUS went to ECS instead of Pegatron for production (2012).

 

[RejZoR]

ASUS and AsRock used to be same company. But ASUS then sold AsRock to Pegatron...

 

[Schmuckley]

I like dat Giga x99 SOC Champion..I do.

 

[Aquinus]

This is a "high" budget? Oh, if I really wanted to build a WS... that'd be 10x what was noted in the OP. Also there is no point in dual xeons, I have an A360 sub.... also B-E is around the corner.




Right. Yet from what I recall they're sister companies,

Whatever floats you boat. I didn't mean to say buy two Xeons now, but rather a single 2p supported quad so down the road it would only cost 350 USD to double the number of threads/cores. You can run one CPU in 2P boards.

 

[RejZoR]

Eh, fuck it. I was sick and tired of all the bullshit and just grabbed 5820K, ASUS Sabertooth X99 and 32GB of Kingston FuryX 2400MHz DDR4. Fucking hell, if I go big I go properly big It was exactly 1000€ (and few cents). The plan is to keep this system for 5 years like I did the X58 and I think it'll be ready for that. 6 cores, the most durable motherboard you can get and 32GB of RAM should keep me in the game easily.

 

[MIRTAZAPINE]

Eh, fuck it. I was sick and tired of all the bullshit and just grabbed 5820K, ASUS Sabertooth X99 and 32GB of Kingston FuryX 2400MHz DDR4. Fucking hell, if I go big I go properly big It was exactly 1000€ (and few cents). The plan is to keep this system for 5 years like I did the X58 and I think it'll be ready for that. 6 cores, the most durable motherboard you can get and 32GB of RAM should keep me in the game easily.

That would last you a good 5 years and even more looking at the rate of pc progress now. X99 is the best long term value now. Nice price that you paid, I am jealous.

 

[vega22]

from what i have seen ecc ram works in a few asus boards with chips that use it regardless of official support.

 

[Aquinus]

That would last you a good 5 years and even more looking at the rate of pc progress now. X99 is the best long term value now. Nice price that you paid, I am jealous.

Or more. Come the spring I will be 4 years into my current build. I'm not planning on getting rid of my 3820 or P9X79 Deluxe any time soon. 6c CPUs will be there if and when I need those cores and 8 DIMM slots makes memory capacity much less of an issue. If anything, I would upgrade to a 32GB kit, get a new SSD, or another 390. ...but, replacing my platform is the last thing on my list of things that would provide tangible benefits. I suspect 5 years is a conservative estimate given the CPU market.

 

[Silent.tpu]

Eh, fuck it. I was sick and tired of all the bullshit and just grabbed 5820K, ASUS Sabertooth X99 and 32GB of Kingston FuryX 2400MHz DDR4. Fucking hell, if I go big I go properly big It was exactly 1000€ (and few cents). The plan is to keep this system for 5 years like I did the X58 and I think it'll be ready for that. 6 cores, the most durable motherboard you can get and 32GB of RAM should keep me in the game easily.

How do you like the mobo so far? Looking into getting it but I've been seeing a lot of negative reviews...

 

[RejZoR]

I love it. It's one of the best boards I've ever owned. And I always had premium stuff. My last two were ASUS P5B Deluxe and ASUS Rampage II Gene X58. So, yeah I know high end. But Sabertooth X58 is even better in my opinion. Even the dust protection "gimmick" is actually really nice. All the ports that aren't used are plugged with covers and it really protects stuff. I didn't want to use it at first but then said what the hell, why not if it's all here. And despite my case having dust filters, fine dust still gets inside and this stuff protects ports nicely. It also looks really pretty with all covers and the reinforcement backplate covers some mosfets I think and it acts like a cooling plate. Which is also nice.

It's absolutely packed with fan headers. Absolutely everything runs of 4 pin PWM enabled fan headers and I still have few empty left and I currently have 8 fans and 1 port occupied by AiO pump. And all of them are fully controlled by BIOS itself so it's OS independent cooling solution that is super quiet on desktop but efficient during heavy loads. Still not too loud.

Only issue I have with it is that UEFI BIOS is still a bit clumsy for certain things and that you can't save and restore configuration between BIOS updates. I have quite a lot of stuff to set and it's a bit annoying. But BIOS updates aren't that regular so I guess I can give it a pass.

Anyway, it's expensive board, but it's also very good and nice looking. It has that stealthy feel to it and I like that.

 

[Silent.tpu]

I love it. It's one of the best boards I've ever owned. And I always had premium stuff. My last two were ASUS P5B Deluxe and ASUS Rampage II Gene X58. So, yeah I know high end. But Sabertooth X58 is even better in my opinion. Even the dust protection "gimmick" is actually really nice. All the ports that aren't used are plugged with covers and it really protects stuff. I didn't want to use it at first but then said what the hell, why not if it's all here. And despite my case having dust filters, fine dust still gets inside and this stuff protects ports nicely. It also looks really pretty with all covers and the reinforcement backplate covers some mosfets I think and it acts like a cooling plate. Which is also nice.

It's absolutely packed with fan headers. Absolutely everything runs of 4 pin PWM enabled fan headers and I still have few empty left and I currently have 8 fans and 1 port occupied by AiO pump. And all of them are fully controlled by BIOS itself so it's OS independent cooling solution that is super quiet on desktop but efficient during heavy loads. Still not too loud.

Only issue I have with it is that UEFI BIOS is still a bit clumsy for certain things and that you can't save and restore configuration between BIOS updates. I have quite a lot of stuff to set and it's a bit annoying. But BIOS updates aren't that regular so I guess I can give it a pass.

Anyway, it's expensive board, but it's also very good and nice looking. It has that stealthy feel to it and I like that.

Nice I'll be picking that up in the next couple of months