Windows 7 and 8.1 also spying on it's users?

[R-T-B]

Becoming a lobbyist and actually enacting change would be a far better use of that energy. Otherwise it's all just hot air. Myself, for an example... I don't own a cell phone. I refuse to carry a personal tracking device that nearly anyone that complains about this "loss of liberty" does, making them rather hypocritical.

I don't have anything to hide, so the loss of liberty does not personally (as in, on a personal basis) bother me one bit.

I'm also running Windows 10.

It bothers me on a conceptual level very much so however.

I don't think I'll ever be the guy that they show up to arrest. Honestly, the government loves people like me cause they can point to me, that "harmless activist" and claim free speech is alive and well. As long as only law abiding citizens are talking.

The problem with this logic is, how do the laws ever get changed or adapt to the times, if people doing things presently illegal are afraid to speak up for fear of reprisal? How does their opinion ever get shown? Is it irrelevant simply because it's not legal? Time and time again, history has shown that that is a very dangerous assumption.

Again this does not apply to me, but it is very much a conceptual issue with how our democracy is supposed to function.

Becoming a lobbyist and actually enacting change would be a far better use of that energy. Otherwise it's all just hot air.

Good luck doing that without endorsement from someone with big pockets...

I told you I didn't want to get started. Blame mailman.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Who decides what's shadey/illegal?

It's a problem of transfering too much control over your life to an institution that has historically been less than trustworthy with things such as civil rights.

I don't have anything interesting about me that they would want either. Doesn't change the point.



Ok, they'll come with guns to take away your guns because you posted about your guns.

They'll also check me because I said "guns" 3 times or more.

See?

I have full control over my life. I do what I want.

 

[R-T-B]

I have full control over my life. I do what I want.

As do I. It's not about us. Hell, I live in Washington where if the internet is to be believed, I could smoke pot and go to a horse brothel all in the same 24 hour period (actually, we outlawed the horse thing in 2006, but some things never go away on the internet)...

That's not the point. The point is you should not make it hard for ostracized groups of ANY kind to have their say, which is precisely what technology like this does.

Me? I use it because it makes my life easier. That doesn't make me oblivious to it's problems however.

PS: Now that you know my homestate and my rhetoric, free thanks if you guess what College I went to. Hint, it starts with an "E," and you can probably get over the weed DUI limit just by walking near it.

And no, I never smoked.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

As do I. It's not about us. Hell, I live in Washington where if the internet is to be believed, I could smoke pot and go to a horse brothel all in the same 24 hour period (actually, we outlawed the horse thing in 2006, but some things never go away on the internet)...

That's not the point. The point is you should not make it hard for ostracized groups of ANY kind to have their say, which is precisely what technology like this does.

Me? I use it because it makes my life easier. That doesn't make me oblivious to it's problems however.

PS: Now that you know my homestate and my rhetoric, free thanks if you guess what College I went to. Hint, it starts with an "E"

Eastern.

 

[R-T-B]

Eastern.

Nice try. More "western." I added clues.

EDIT: *Sighs*

Go Geoducks go?

Google that.

@TheMailMan78 , try not to laugh...

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Nice try. More "western." I added clues.

EDIT: *Sighs*

Go Geoducks go?

Google that.

@TheMailMan78 , try not to laugh...

Evergreen State

 

[qubit]

Oh don't worry about it man! Thanks for the backup but, I feel the hate and so you know I relish it. I enjoy watching people QQ under the truth that I spit. My favorite is reading the PM's people forward to me. Its a riot!

No, when it comes to me and you, it's always you first with the hating. Don't try to project your hate onto me.

 

[R-T-B]

Evergreen State

You win the internet.

Now run for your life:

 

[TheMailMan78]

I agree that we have little chance at making a difference, and that anyone doing stuff the goverment hates online is not... bright. But, that does not mean you should not use freedom of speech and mark your opposition to these things, while we still have it.

That also means you shouldn't shoot down people who do decide to do so with cute internet memes. That's the greatest enemy we could have. You should praise them for trying to fight a fruitless war despite all odds, if anything.

Supporting "activists" who cry on a tech forum is like supporting a salmon trying to swim up a waterfall.

Ok, they'll come with guns to take away your guns because you posted about your guns.

They'll also check me because I said "guns" 3 times or more.

See?

Guns, Baby bib, murder, terrorist, FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, EPA, Homeland Security, Chicken McNuggets, IRS and the FDA.

There now they will be caught up in bureaucracy for 15 years trying to figure out who should come get me.

 

[R-T-B]

There now they will be caught up in bureaucracy for 15 years trying to figure out who should come get me.

I guess we all have to fear the day the government learns SQL queries.

...but wait, you're already fucked. You put the frickin Chicken McNuggets in the same sentence as all that horseshit. Corporate America isn't slow. Ronalds going to open a can of whoopass on you...

...as soon as he restores his business model to something profitable.

Maybe you'll be just fine. As will I. But there's nothing wrong with arguing against something that is wrong on principle.

 

[GreiverBlade]

It's pretty easy to avoid doing anything that'd have the gov knocking on your door. The law books are a good basis for how you should behave... but maybe that's just me.

I have full control over my life. I do what I want.

Dont do anything shadey/illegal and you shouldn't have problems. All I do it check facebook, forums, and play games on my system. Why should I care if they can see what I'm doing when I'm doing average Joe shit.

basically ... nothing to fear for me, they can spy all they want ... they will just find it boring after a month or two ... unless they care about what i do with no cd/dvd patch for some old games i own but i don't want to use the ext odd or "non standard copy" of games i also own and still have the license (that's also called a backup copy and when a securom is in the mix ... non standard is the only standard)

altho this trivial matter (for non paranoids and "clean" peoples ) is not the reason i keep 7 Pro on my desktop and updated 10 pro on my laptop

edit: thanks @cadaveca for the youtube link i also thought of posting that one for TMM post with "riot" in the sentence

 

[R-T-B]

I'm still convinced the worst enemy to liberty is those asking why people who argue for it are worried. After all, we have nothing to hide right?

That's not the point. You argue it to protect the concept, not yourself.

But I'm done here.

 

[HTC]

I'm still convinced the worst enemy to liberty is those asking why people who argue for it are worried. After all, we have nothing to hide right?

That's not the point. You argue it to protect the concept, not yourself.

But I'm done here.

That's the REAL problem here: the concept is under fire and most are too busy claiming "i don't have anything to hide so i have no problems with this" to notice!

 

[Vayra86]

Oh don't worry about it man! Thanks for the backup but, I feel the hate and so you know I relish it. I enjoy watching people QQ under the truth that I spit. My favorite is reading the PM's people forward to me. Its a riot!

We could have been brothers, I share the love for that. But we are probably (and luckily) not.

 

[Ebo]

The question for me is more complex than just:

1: got nothing to hide, so I dont care
2: I want my total privacy

Where I live we had a total right to privacy since the last time the constutition was revised bigtime back in 1953. Well thats more than 60 years ago, and we live in another time today. It dosent matter of you are fore it or against it, but thats reality as of today.

Here our secret services have even more loose guidelines than in the US. Here they dont need a warrant to spy on you, all it takes is proper course, thats enough, they dont even have to answer to anyone, because thats all classified.
They can follow you on the net, they can film you and cover your life when ever they want if they have any interest in you for some reason which might be wrong or right.

You might ask how do I know that, well I worked in our specialforces for 12 years and we are a huge part in our antiterror prepardness and we got whatever we needed on a suspect within minutes, his whole life story and his family, friends and so on. So thats how much privacy means here, it might be right or it might be wrong, that all depends on whos eyes is watching.

Here 1 of our services has a boss who is a bit known in the public, the other service is just secret, its so well hidden that mabye 4-5 people in the whole country has an idea about what they are doing and why and even they dont have the whole picture, thats bigbrother for you in 2015.

Here privacy is like a fart in the wind, it only warms for about 1 second.

The only way you can avoid it here, is going oldschool which means no computer, no smartphone and stay away from places with a camera and only deal in cash, thats just a fantasy today.

 

[R-T-B]

That's the REAL problem here: the concept is under fire and most are too busy claiming "i don't have anything to hide so i have no problems with this" to notice!

I hate to bring the cliche Martin Niemöller quote into this, but I think I just did.

There's a reason that quote is overused as of late. It's because there's so many damn parallels in how our society is operating. It's not Jews this time around no, but the groups that are unpopular are surely going to feel the weight of the kind of social oppression that will result from a monitored society. Then the danger comes with the government decides to slowly tighten the noose, to extend it to political rivals and such. It's happened time and time again and still people are blind to it.

The only way you can avoid it here, is going oldschool which means no computer, no smartphone and stay away from places with a camera and only deal in cash, thats just a fantasy today.

I agree completely. But I by and large have nothing to hide so I don't care on my personal basis and still use technology. This does not make me a hypocrite, I can still speak out about injustices even if I myself do not fear such things.

If I really had something to hide, there are so many things that'd send shivers down my spine right now. It's fortunate I'm fairly popular in the world view, being a white, heterosexual male who voted for a known party candidate who's currently president.

I mean, let's count the scary shit in our computers now? Windows 10 doesn't even make the list.

There's vpro shit. Remote consoles and stuff built into your processor die on many computers that Intel has refused to comment on with regards to it's "backdoor" status. Nice.

There's that whole HDD firmware iffiness Kaspersky Labs brought up.

Snowden opened a whole can of worms on encryption tech such as industry standard AES ciphers used like, everywhere.

There's the fact that Chrome is the most popular browser and leaks data worse than Windows 10 ever dreamed of.

Windows 10 is still on your list? If it is I understand, but get your priorities straight and hit them where it hurts if you actually want to fight something.

Get Intel to admit why the heck they won't comment on vPro having a "master key" or backdoor.

Demand proper tools to validate your firmware on your HDD.

Don't use Chrome at all.

Vote for candidates who support privacy rights.

Of course, all this in and of itself may land you on a lightweight digital watch list, but thus are the hazards of modern democracy.

 

[GreiverBlade]

well all the last answer have been right, tho i don't really care about it,

slight derivation from the topic
humans are evil at the core (not all, tho they all share a part of "danger" of becoming it ) and they need to be watched, the irony is... the one who watch is just as evil as the rest are, the bane of all thing is the human being, can we change that? no i don't think so.

unless we can change how human are (aka: wanting to trample and control everything and everybody, ofc again not all are like that )

how i see that, is:
if someone has nothing to be scared of being under watch, then he's not a direct target and his data will just pass by.
if someone is doing anything against a law or against other humans (aka using internet to procure himself poison weapon and such) then he's a prime target and should be investigated, then brought down if the investigation yield a positive result (and not only a suspicion)

i agree on privacy, but you can't be sure the data they mine from you is in good or bad hands ... (again all is a matter of situation, will they use it to frame you? or will they just run some background check to see if you are safe or harmless? again ... humans decide... the result is chaos.)

Apple do it since a long time now, nothing is really new when it come to privacy threat

no need to debate on that opinion ... i know i have issues and i (try to) take care of them ... i just wanted to write that once ...
tho i should worry, since i use Chrome (desktop laptop tablet and smartphone) and updated my laptop to win 10 (tho i use it way less than my desktop)
i am just a Lifeguard who have a computer hobby and order hardware and software online every month.

 

[Bundy]

If Microsoft showed no interest in what I like, then I would be concerned. It is a good thing that they seek to understand me better and deliver what I want in new ways so I will let them have it all.

 

[Ebo]

But I by and large have nothing to hide so I don't care on my personal basis and still use technology. This does not make me a hypocrite, I can still speak out about injustices even if I myself do not fear such things.

That also my concirn, who is watching the watchers ?. Actually for me its all about me, as an individual and NOT just as a fellow countryman, sexual preference, belif or anything else. Its about my right to be human and be myself, end of story.

I stopped my carreer in 2012, since then a lot of things has, in my eyes, gone from bad to worse, not just only here but all over the western world.
I belive that I live in a free country where old rights like free speach, the right to have my own religion, the right to live my life the way I want to without any interferrience from goverment unless I step over the line.....well thats a fantasy today. They store so much data about all of us and it just cant be stopped.

1 Question I have is : Who get access to my personal information and who can use it ?. I hate private compagnies saying that we just track you for giving you an offer you cant refuse.....I never asked for it actually I dont want it.
I use all I can to block trackers and stuff that gives away any trace about what I like and why, thats NOT their "problem" thats mine.

 

[R-T-B]

That also my concirn, who is watching the watchers ?. Actually for me its all about me, as an individual and NOT just as a fellow countryman, sexual preference, belif or anything else. Its about my right to be human and be myself, end of story.

I stopped my carreer in 2012, since then a lot of things has, in my eyes, gone from bad to worse, not just only here but all over the western world.
I belive that I live in a free country where old rights like free speach, the right to have my own religion, the right to live my life the way I want to without any interferrience from goverment unless I step over the line.....well thats a fantasy today. They store so much data about all of us and it just cant be stopped.

1 Question I have is : Who get access to my personal information and who can use it ?. I hate private compagnies saying that we just track you for giving you an offer you cant refuse.....I never asked for it actually I dont want it.
I use all I can to block trackers and stuff that gives away any trace about what I like and why, thats NOT their "problem" thats mine.

Kudos my man. I don't have anything to hide but if I did, I would still maintain I didn't. Interesting little thing there, isn't it? Kind of a result of the society we've formed in the "information age." Those with "something to hide" (whatever society dictates that is at the time) are more in the closet than ever when asked directly about their activities. We're more open as a society than ever before in terms of nearly nonconsensual data mining (like this), but let's try an experiment in CONSENSUAL data mining: Try this: if you actually ask someone face-to-face what they were up to on the internet last night ? It's almost borderline creepy to ask that now. Mostly because when you ask that question, people are already assuming you are asking for a reason, ie that they did something wrong. Product of our age.

And now, maybe I'll truly shut up. Maybe.

 

[GreiverBlade]

the right to live my life the way I want to without any interference from government unless I step over the line.....well that's a fantasy today.

well don't you do it already? or did the government interfere with you (if you didn't step over the line)? technically it's what happen today, you can't check if one or another step over the line without background check (thanks to the human nature in the end)

basically that's agreeing with that post: Windows 7 and 8.1 also spying on it's users?

Try this: if you actually ask someone face-to-face what they were up to on the internet last night ? It's almost borderline creepy to ask that now. Mostly because when you ask that question, people are already assuming you are asking for a reason, ie that they did something wrong.

well if someone asked me that i would gladly answer the question : i was on Techpowerup as usual ( ) or i was on Skyforge (or any other games) as usual or even, i was browsing some video on youtube, and then "huhuhu what kind of video on youtube?" well you know mostly R-15 MMD clips ... since the R-18 does not last long on YT and... wait are you questioning my morale integrity??? nuh! you have to remove the wifi webcam you did put in my room ASAP! (the last one is a joke ... sorry )

 

[brandonwh64]

Hell if anyone watched terminator genisys then you should already know whats next.........

 

[Easy Rhino]

Government is too big and corporations are too powerful (thanks to corporatism) to stop anything now. You think elections matter? Ha! Starting preparing now. I would say we have 10-15 years left to prepare before things starting unraveling.

 

[qubit]

Government is too big and corporations are too powerful (thanks to corporatism) to stop anything now. You think elections matter? Ha! Starting preparing now. I would say we have 10-15 years left to prepare before things starting unraveling.

Agreed, we've seen nothing yet.

 

[cadaveca]

I'm still convinced the worst enemy to liberty is those asking why people who argue for it are worried. After all, we have nothing to hide right?

That's not the point. You argue it to protect the concept, not yourself.

But I'm done here.

I can't rule the world until the NWO takes over, so let's get to destroying freedom and liberty, m'kay?

That's the REAL problem here: the concept is under fire and most are too busy claiming "i don't have anything to hide so i have no problems with this" to notice!

The concept can die. The world would be a better place, and people might actually respect each other... or they die. The human populace could use some thinning out, and destruction of privacy, and the right to hold personal opinions that are destructive needs to end... by force if needed.

Government is too big and corporations are too powerful (thanks to corporatism) to stop anything now. You think elections matter? Ha! Starting preparing now. I would say we have 10-15 years left to prepare before things starting unraveling.

Not likely. If it unravels, the control and money that is made will cease to exist. That's what makes all this the silliest bunch of hoo-ha possible... if it all goes to hell, all those corporations and everything else will crumble. They already have control, and the thought they'd give it up... is clearly mis-guided.

How do you connect to the internet? Through your ISP. So no matter what you do, you hand over your data to you ISP, and just trust they just put it where YOU want it. I have never trusted that, and neither should anyone else, given what you just posted. Let's be realistic, eh?