Windows 7 and 8.1 also spying on it's users?

[Easy Rhino]

Not likely. If it unravels, the control and money that is made will cease to exist. That's what makes all this the silliest bunch of hoo-ha possible... if it all goes to hell, all those corporations and everything else will crumble. They already have control, and the thought they'd give it up... is clearly mis-guided.

How do you connect to the internet? Through your ISP. So no matter what you do, you hand over your data to you ISP, and just trust they just put it where YOU want it. I have never trusted that, and neither should anyone else, given what you just posted. Let's be realistic, eh?

I am talking about people actively working to undermine an oppressive government. When that happens the illusion that the powers that be have our best interests in mind will be shattered and it will bring forth an awakening. Once people learn the truth of how they are the frog in the slowly boiling pot of water, they will react. And it will be quick.

 

[cadaveca]

I still believe that the majority of people are inherently good, and that although your idea might have some merit, the idea that we haven't exactly been properly represented in government, no matter what country you are in, has never been accepted. We've all grown up knowing that politicians are liars... so the truth has ALWAYS been out there from where I sit.

So, some corporation wants to manage your data, with the premise that it can help make the world a better place. Those that are good will work towards being open about it, and those that have nefarious motives will not, nullifying each other and leading to the unstable economic situations that the entire world is in right now, and has been, since the mid nineties. We're simply repeating the same cycle over and over again, and everyone still screams "the sky is falling".

Whether we have freedom or not, those in "power" need slaves, and the most productive slaves are those that are well rewarded. So nothing will change. Oh well. I keep paying my bills, and make sure to educate my kids on subjects like this so that when they get older they can step lightly and enjoy life for what it's meant to be.. an enjoyable experience. Privacy doesn't need to be involved in having a good life, at all.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Privacy doesn't need to be involved in having a good life, at all.

Disagree. Government collects data to manipulate people. It uses data in other countries to stamp down revolt or to lift up a dictator friendly to the US. The CIA has been found guilty of this many times over. It is just as likely to happen here. The government must be held accountable to the people so that our children won't grow up in a dictatorship. You hold the government accountable by reducing their power and one of doing that is (in the US at least) enforcing the 4th amendment.

 

[cadaveca]

Disagree. Government collects data to manipulate people. It uses data in other countries to stamp down revolt or to lift up a dictator friendly to the US. The CIA has been found guilty of this many times over. It is just as likely to happen here. The government must be held accountable to the people so that our children won't grow up in a dictatorship. You hold the government accountable by reducing their power and one of doing that is (in the US at least) enforcing the 4th amendment.

But this is Microsoft, not the government. Your bill of rights or declaration of independence (sorry, but being Canadian, I'm not up to speed on all things American) deals with government, not private corporations.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree with your sentiment.

But I don't see anyone with proof that Microsoft is "spying" on us to aid the government. We need to direct our energies to the right places.

 

[Atomic77]

This is really not that new or surprising. My Antivirus software has been detecting and removing tracking cookies for several years now. And anyways I don't have anything to hide or do anything risky online in the first place.

 

[natr0n]

Disable windows update from a fresh install. No spying OS.
Keep in mind using a legit MS clean untouched older win 7 iso.

That's how I roll.

 

[Ebo]

Just like RTB, me and others say: you have to stand up for your rights otherwise you get run over.

You might not be popular, you might stand alone, you might even fight a loosing battle, but I will hold my own every time of the day no matter what.

Its my right to be critical, its my right to argue, its my right to have my own opinion, nobody can take that away from me, its my right as a human, end of story.

Since were in the information age, I just wonder why there isent a browser other than Onion that dosent collect and store data about you as a user ? Finally Firefox is trying to do something about it, but thats rare.
Today we cant live without the internet for bad or for good, but thats how it is, we cant all be happy in the end.

I just want my right to say NO.

 

[Atomic77]

is there really a browser called Onion?

 

[R-T-B]

I can't rule the world until the NWO takes over, so let's get to destroying freedom and liberty, m'kay?



The concept can die. The world would be a better place, and people might actually respect each other... or they die. The human populace could use some thinning out, and destruction of privacy, and the right to hold personal opinions that are destructive needs to end... by force if needed.

This is the definition of a "destructive opinion."

The only difference is I'm not calling for your forceful reeducation/elimination.

 

[Frick]

Just like RTB, me and others say: you have to stand up for your rights otherwise you get run over.

You might not be popular, you might stand alone, you might even fight a loosing battle, but I will hold my own every time of the day no matter what.

Its my right to be critical, its my right to argue, its my right to have my own opinion, nobody can take that away from me, its my right as a human, end of story.

Since were in the information age, I just wonder why there isent a browser other than Onion that dosent collect and store data about you as a user ? Finally Firefox is trying to do something about it, but thats rare.
Today we cant live without the internet for bad or for good, but thats how it is, we cant all be happy in the end.

I just want my right to say NO.

The thing is it is a loosing battle. Standing up for your rights (not as good as standing up for your principles though) is good, but you're still rolling down the slippery slope we embarked on decades ago and now that slope is pretty damned steep.

 

[cadaveca]

This is the definition of a "destructive opinion."

The only difference is I'm not calling for your forceful reeducation/elimination.

Again... sarcasm. But OK.

 

[Ebo]

is there really a browser called Onion?

here
https://www.torproject.org/

 

[R-T-B]

Again... sarcasm. But OK.

I get fired up easy. Don't read much into it.

 

[cadaveca]

I get fired up easy. Don't read much into it.

I'm overly sarcastic, like 95% of the time. I guess that makes us even.

Yet at the same time, I am 100% serious when I say I don't care about privacy on the internet... mine, yours, any...

A lot of crooked stuff goes on here, and being the father of 4 kids I can't help but be proud of, minimizing the risks they are exposed to is something that comes natural, and I do think that is there was no electronic privacy, the world might be a better place.

You can't go outside without possibly being recorded on some yahoo's cell phone, dash cam, or otherwise; your daily travels are tracked by cell phones, and people put far too much personal stuff onsites like Facebook and Instagram, all under the premise of there being privacy.

So why pretend that things are any different than how they really are?

 

[GreiverBlade]

I'm overly sarcastic, like 95% of the time. I guess that makes us even.

Yet at the same time, I am 100% serious when I say I don't care about privacy on the internet... mine, yours, any...

so do i ... so do i ... (about being overly sarcastic 95% of the time and 100% serious about not caring about privacy in a massively connected network)

 

[Drone]

They will always find a way to spy on you one way or another. All ISPs are doing it.
The best way is: Linux + encryption. But maybe even that isn't not enough today.

 

[GreiverBlade]

They will always find a way to spy on you one way or another. All ISPs are doing it.
The best way is: Linux + encryption. But maybe even that isn't not enough today.

indeed that might not be enough ... only "no connection" at all is enough, because even encrypted and under linux, your data can still be interecepted or mined, and presumably the higher "authority" already have the key used for encrypting your data...

nah linux is not really safer nor is Onion or TOR, i don't believe they do what they promise they do.
tho i might be wrong ... after all, maybe i should give a try for the alternative (if the devs didn't already gave the algorythme and key to the NSA and the like of it..... and promise you that you are safe ... )

there is no real mean to be sure there isn't a backdoor in a "secured program" ... unless you know how to identify them, but for the average user ... they just swallow the lie and ask no question about those so called "safer for your privacy" softwar

 

[Drone]

indeed that might not be enough ... only "no connection" at all is enough, because even encrypted and under linux, your data can still be interecepted or mined, and presumably the higher "authority" already have the key used for encrypting your data...

nah linux is not really safer nor is Onion or TOR, i don't believe they do what they promise they do.
tho i might be wrong ... after all, maybe i should give a try for the alternative (if the devs didn't already gave the algorythme and key to the NSA and the like of it..... and promise you that you are safe ... )

there is no real mean to be sure there isn't a backdoor in a "secured program" ... unless you know how to identify them, but for the average user ... they just swallow the lie and ask no question about those so called "safer for your privacy" softwar

You made really interesting points. Linux has its flaws as well but at least I do believe it has no telemetry and all that tracking crap. But then again maybe you're right, maybe they can find a backdoor there too.

As for TOR I've heard that it's not really "encrypted".

As for search engines I use DuckDuckGo only. Never used Google, and somehow Bing and Yahoo! disappointed me with irrelevant results.

 

[R-T-B]

Just because it is, doesn't mean it should be. I come from a cryptographic and security background, so needless to say I disagree with @cadaveca 's philosophy. There are better ways to monitor your kids than removing privacy from adults en-masse, but I'm sure you know that.

I respect your opinion, but cannot agree and will fight it on premise to the bitter end, even if I have already lost in the real world.

 

[moproblems99]

Dont do anything shadey/illegal and you shouldn't have problems. All I do it check facebook, forums, and play games on my system. Why should I care if they can see what I'm doing when I'm doing average Joe shit.

It shouldn't matter what I am doing. Without a warrant, it is none of their business. However, don't do the crime if you aren't willing to do the time. 2/3 of America's laws are ignorant and new more ignorant ones get added daily. For instance, smoking a joint is legal in a couple of states, illegal in the rest, but federally it is a crime everywhere. Well, at least with our political stalemate right now, our government can't screw us over anymore.

 

[P4-630]

I just had 9 optional updates, I wanted to read more information about these updates but there was no information available about these updates on the microsoft website. I have chosen to not install them (yet) , my system runs fine.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I just had 9 optional updates, I wanted to read more information about these updates but there was no information available about these updates on the microsoft website. I have chosen to not install them (yet) , my system runs fine.

Magic Johnson didn't have AIDs until he was tested too.

 

[EarthDog]

Weird. I had no idea he got AIDS from the test...