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Technically yes if it an OEM copy on your current PC. And you build a new PC you will have to buy a new copy of Windows 10.
But Ive done many board changes with an OEM copy and worse case I called MS and did the automated activation.
So that should work.
The OEM license does cover board changes as long as its the same board. You just have to call.


If your thinking about upgrading to Windows 10.
There have been some glitches that need to get worked out.
Have a back up or your original copy of windows, image, recovery partition in case it fails.
If your not prepared for a clean install then don't do the upgrade.

Dunno about this anymore jet, Windows 10 keys look awfully generic to me. The one in About Computer is basically a string of zeros and the other one from Jelly Bean Keyfinder doesn't look too unique either.

I don't even remember seeing an activate by phone option in Win 10. Maybe the system works its magic and still works via that method, maybe it doesn't. With Windows 10 I didn't think that there were that many glitches, just that the OS is kind of bare because MS intends to add stuff to it as we go along. Very sparse.
 
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I think Windows 10 it is worth the upgrade.

The first Win 10 drivers for both my onboard Realtek Lan and Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty pci sound card released today, 8-18-15. So yes, it is NOW worth the upgrade. :clap:
 
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Just finished a clean install of 10 Pro. Thanks to R-T-B. First did a fresh install of Vanilla Win7(My old 7 always stuck using the upgrade). Then I used the disk to upgrade it to Win10 Pro. After it is activated, I sanitized the SSD and did a fresh install using the disk again. Once it connected to internet Win10 reactivated without any problem. Clean install is definitely good.
 
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Retro gamers, no; current and future games, yes. Microsoft killing DRM for the sake of security is a massive nail in physical DRM's coffin.
 
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Retro gamers, no; current and future games, yes. Microsoft killing DRM for the sake of security is a massive nail in physical DRM's coffin.

Hate to burst your bubble here, but be realistic.
1) DRM is not being killed by MS.
2) Securom only from a few games is causing the compatibility issues, and what has been in the news.
3) Securom has been poison for years. Newer DRM schemes are just as bad, only they still work on Windows.


What MS has done for gamers, with respect to Windows 10, is either poison old gaming or make promises it has no way to yet keep. While I applaud the admission that Securom is so bad as to be a security flaw, its hardly is the death of DRM. I'll still take Windows 7 and customer education (or just not buying anything from EA) above the lofty promises and assumptions people are making about Windows 10.
 

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Hate to burst your bubble here, but be realistic.
1) DRM is not being killed by MS.
2) Securom only from a few games is causing the compatibility issues, and what has been in the news.
3) Securom has been poison for years. Newer DRM schemes are just as bad, only they still work on Windows.
1 & 2) Disc-based DRM is from what I gather. SecuROM is capable of disc and online checks so those titles that rely solely on disc activation aren't working. PC gamers have been pleading for the end of disc activation for a long time and this move by Microsoft makes removal of disc DRM mandatory.
3) The new model relies on store DRM like Steam and Origin. This model of DRM is constantly getting updates and, as long as the platform itself isn't abandoned, I don't see those updates stopping. They're not great and DRM-free (see GOG) is much better but the enforcement of a one game per logged in user policy is acceptable to most.

EA is a hero here to some extent because many games that had SecuROM are redeemable on Origin (may require contacting Customer Service).
 
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1 & 2) Disc-based DRM is from what I gather. SecuROM is capable of disc and online checks so those titles that rely solely on disc activation aren't working. PC gamers have been pleading for the end of disc activation for a long time and this move by Microsoft makes removal of disc DRM mandatory.
3) The new model relies on store DRM like Steam and Origin. This model of DRM is constantly getting updates and, as long as the platform itself isn't abandoned, I don't see those updates stopping. They're not great and DRM-free (see GOG) is much better but the enforcement of a one game per logged in user policy is acceptable to most.

EA is a hero here to some extent because many games that had SecuROM are redeemable on Origin (may require contacting Customer Service).

I'll acquiesce to improvements from MS. At the same time, who sells physical discs?

DRM employed by Steam and Origin can be just as terrible. I'm thinking Anno 2070 (still having activation limits in the last couple of years, WTF?). I'm thinking Spore (still sold on Steam BTW). Disc requiring DRM is finally dead, but it's like getting a participation ribbon in a marathon. You did finally manage to complete the race, but only significantly after the race has functionally been over for quite some time. Steam and Origin, combined with the inability to resell games because of DRM, has made computer gaming functionally independent of discs for years. I think the last game I got on disc was Skyrim, and that game decided to download via Steam rather than use the disc (yeah, you can force it in settings, but it really highlights just how useless discs are).



As far as EA offering digital downloads for older customers, I think it's a wash. Yes, you get your old games on a new service, but at the same time the service is Origin. I may be the only person stubborn enough to still be this way, but EA hasn't earned enough trust to get me to install their platform on anything I own. Between terrible business decisions, atrocious assumptions about the customers, treating us like money filled pinatas, and destroying studio after studio I can't see anything they do as purely good, because the other shoe drops too soon. The cynic in me says EA is inflating their Origin user base by "giving" people access to games they've purchased.
 
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I'll acquiesce to improvements from MS. At the same time, who sells physical discs?

DRM employed by Steam and Origin can be just as terrible. I'm thinking Anno 2070 (still having activation limits in the last couple of years, WTF?). I'm thinking Spore (still sold on Steam BTW). Disc requiring DRM is finally dead, but it's like getting a participation ribbon in a marathon. You did finally manage to complete the race, but only significantly after the race has functionally been over for quite some time. Steam and Origin, combined with the inability to resell games because of DRM, has made computer gaming functionally independent of discs for years. I think the last game I got on disc was Skyrim, and that game decided to download via Steam rather than use the disc (yeah, you can force it in settings, but it really highlights just how useless discs are).



As far as EA offering digital downloads for older customers, I think it's a wash. Yes, you get your old games on a new service, but at the same time the service is Origin. I may be the only person stubborn enough to still be this way, but EA hasn't earned enough trust to get me to install their platform on anything I own. Between terrible business decisions, atrocious assumptions about the customers, treating us like money filled pinatas, and destroying studio after studio I can't see anything they do as purely good, because the other shoe drops too soon. The cynic in me says EA is inflating their Origin user base by "giving" people access to games they've purchased.

EA is doing whatever they can to inflate their Origin user base. How about the free giveaways of old games? It fits in perfectly. And the whole SecuRom deal is nice, but you're basically trading horse poo for cow shit because you get Origin in return. And the cherry on the cake is EA's response to the data mining within Origin not too long ago.

I'm with you bro. Origin: not in a million years.
 

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1 & 2) Disc-based DRM is from what I gather. SecuROM is capable of disc and online checks so those titles that rely solely on disc activation aren't working. PC gamers have been pleading for the end of disc activation for a long time and this move by Microsoft makes removal of disc DRM mandatory.
3) The new model relies on store DRM like Steam and Origin. This model of DRM is constantly getting updates and, as long as the platform itself isn't abandoned, I don't see those updates stopping. They're not great and DRM-free (see GOG) is much better but the enforcement of a one game per logged in user policy is acceptable to most.

EA is a hero here to some extent because many games that had SecuROM are redeemable on Origin (may require contacting Customer Service).

You obviously did not read my link in the other thread about DRM on PC Gaming Wikihttp://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_List_of_3rd_Party_DRM_on_Steam. You tout Steam and Origin as the only DRM for games on those platforms. Not true, and that was the point of those articles. There are games you download from both those platforms that have Securom and Stardock as well as others. Pretty nifty, huh? Steam and Origin aren't real quick to tell yu that, are they?

Some of those games with Securom you can redeem on Origin? Well, get ready....the digital versions of Crysis and Crysis Warhead have not had Securom removed. It still installs on your computer.That's just an example.
 
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I'm thinking Anno 2070 (still having activation limits in the last couple of years, WTF?).
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I'm thinking Spore (still sold on Steam BTW).
SecuROM 7

Steam and Origin, combined with the inability to resell games because of DRM, has made computer gaming functionally independent of discs for years.
Both of those are a subscription service. You're not buying software (something that is resalable), you're buying rights to use someone else's software. It's effectively what they were trying to achieve with disk activation in the first place.

Some of those games with Securom you can redeem on Origin? Well, get ready....the digital versions of Crysis and Crysis Warhead have not had Securom removed. It still installs on your computer.That's just an example.
Now that Microsoft acted, we'll have to see how EA (and others) respond, if at all. Microsoft has effectively thrown a gauntlet down and it will flood technical support with complaints about the game not working on Windows 10. It's going to translate to a lot of refunds and, failing that, a lot of BBB complaints. EA (and others) will be forced to make a decision between pulling the product from their store or removing the underlying DRM. Time will tell...


If it looks like I'm defending DRM, I apologize. I hate DRM as much as the next guy. I'm just optimistic...
 
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SecuROM 7


Both of those are a subscription service. You're not buying software (something that is resalable), you're buying rights to use someone else's software. It's effectively what they were trying to achieve with disk activation in the first place.


Now that Microsoft acted, we'll have to see how EA (and others) respond, if at all. Microsoft has effectively thrown a gauntlet down and it will flood technical support with complaints about the game not working on Windows 10. It's going to translate to a lot of refunds and, failing that, a lot of BBB complaints. EA (and others) will be forced to make a decision between pulling the product from their store or removing the underlying DRM. Time will tell...


If it looks like I'm defending DRM, I apologize. I hate DRM as much as the next guy. I'm just optimistic...

Perhaps I've missed the comparison here. When have we bought computer games in the last decade? I can't remember a single one that allowed any online connectivity, and was actually resellable. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but every single EULA I've read through in the last decade has always said that you don't own the software, only the rights to use it. I'm pretty clear on the original Starcraft and Warcraft having that, in the late nineties.

Retro gamers, no; current and future games, yes. Microsoft killing DRM for the sake of security is a massive nail in physical DRM's coffin.

MS is killing physical DRM, but nothing else. They're killing off old Securom based games, because it's a security risk. These things are...not exactly harming DRM.

My point is that MS didn't move to kill physical DRM in any form. What they did was make programs that call home, without any regards for the user, something that their new OS wouldn't natively support due to the security risk. You can still play these games with a no CD crack (assuming you can find a download source). What they've done is finally agree that digital distribution, wherein you actively decide to call home, is the future of DRM. Anything that can fit within these borders (looking at you WB Studios, and your craptastic DRM choices) is still allowed, and realistically with most software being download only what did MS accomplish? They completed the DRM race years after Steam and Origin made physical copies a functional relic.


Those that support DRM still have the ability to put whatever they want into games. Those against DRM still have GoG. The only people MS influenced with this either don't have a decent internet connection (no downloading), or stopped buying games in the early 2000's but still keep up to date on operating systems. I can't really say that either of these demographics exist, because games are a luxury purchase. MS offering the free upgrade to Windows 10, that comes with the price of older games being shut out, isn't exactly a step forward for games. This is why I took issue for you saying Windows 10 is an improvement for gamers.




Our DRM policy seems to be similar. Assuming your customer is a thief, before even selling them anything, is backwards. CD Projekt Red prove that point every day with the Witcher, yet that's not what MS is pushing for. MS is pushing for closing their platform a little bit more, under the auspices of increased security. While I don't want DRM, it isn't a genuinely good thing for gamers to lose history, or a reason to upgrade to Windows 10. I'll agree with your optimism about this being an initial action in ongoing changes to DRM, but I've been around too long to believe that companies like EA and Valve would ever overlook profits to treat customers with respect when they've got a near monopoly.
 
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Cant figure out how. For the life of me

I have Heaven benchmark Icon on my desktop. How can I add it to my start menu/metro
Its not located under the programs list

Ive noticed this with some older programs. I need more control over my start/programs lists
 

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You can always install ClassicShell start menu and likely it'll be there. Works great with Win10 if you want a more Win7-style Start Menu. Also you can go to the Start Menu file structure and add things:

%appdata%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

That should get you there. So if that program is missing, you should be able to add it, and it should pop up on the Win10 menu if you need it there. Otherwise, just pin it to start and use it as a tile, I've grown to like the start menu tiles for commonly used items, otherwise I usually stash shortcuts in folders on my desktop. We all do things a little differently.
 

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well i went from 10fps (DX11) to 19fps (DX12) by upgrading to windows 10 and running Ashes Benchmark in High/1080p (FX-8350, HD 7970, 32GB DDR3, 512GB SSD)
people that say windows 10 suck for games should wash their mouth
 
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Cant figure out how. For the life of me

I have Heaven benchmark Icon on my desktop. How can I add it to my start menu/metro
Its not located under the programs list

Ive noticed this with some older programs. I need more control over my start/programs lists
Did u try right clicking and select add to start menu?

well i went from 10fps (DX11) to 19fps (DX12) by upgrading to windows 10 and running Ashes Benchmark in High/1080p (FX-8350, HD 7970, 32GB DDR3, 512GB SSD)
people that say windows 10 suck for games should wash their mouth
When did AMD release DX12 drivers?
 

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Windows 10 drivers are WDDM 2.0/DirectX12...so beginning of August.
 
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Did u try right clicking and select add to start menu?

I see no such option?

And Im running DX12. But I don't think the 7970 is. I'm really not even sure the 780 is
 
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So the Heaven shortcut has no "Pin to start" option

And another issues I'm having is Firefox web print is all jacked up. The scaling is off. Ether too big or too small

EDIT: I figured out the Heaven issue. Its not an application its a batch file
 
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"Direct3D feature level: 11_0"

You're running DirectX 12 (that's all Windows 10 has after all) but the card is effectively running at Direct3D 11.0 spec. To run Direct3D 12 spec, it has to support feature level 12.0 or greater.
 
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Windows 10 drivers are WDDM 2.0/DirectX12...so beginning of August.
Hmmm OK. I killed my 7950 the other day after spilling a coffee cup on on top my case...my own fault, Using an old FireGL 3100 so yeah not gaming much atm. :p



I switched back to 7 just before RTM...last straw was when disabling UAC prevented Metro apps from running. Imho MS turned a decent OS into something which is now worse than Vista.......
 
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