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Ignoring how long the planes have been grounded which brings its own problems, Aren't the planes just getting as little to old in general to keep in service?


Depends - Boeing 747s are older by a few years but are still flying. It all depends how these concordes have been kept. Im sure they were kept in some airplane graveyard somewhere with a tarp thrown over them. All they would really need to do is run a full maintenance check, throw out the rusted parts and put in the avionics which were most likely pulled out when they were mothballed. I dont think weather conditions have been that bad that it would weaken the hull of the aircraft.
 

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@CAPSLOCKSTUCK Didnt get a chance to reply to the concorde thread as it was locked off but heres my input.....

I think its BS...


When British Airways pulled the plug on their lease of the concorde from BAE, BAE pretty much mothballed the entire fleet but before that, Richard Branson repeatedly offered to buy out the ENTIRE concorde fleet and fund maintenance for at least 50 years when British Airways decided to pull the plug on their lease saying maintenance was too costly.
BAE didn't know what to do with concorde but neither accepted or rejected Richard Branson's offer so they literally did nothing but sit on their hands. BAE would of made millions if they had decided to go ahead with the venture. Because of BAE's silent rejection, it pushed Richard Branson even harder to design aircraft that was would fly just as high (or higher) using little to no energy or a renewable energy source (solar power) and he has come up with a fair few working prototypes but nothing that comes even close to being able to carry over 100 passengers.


So BAE finally decide they will allow concord out to play?


heres what wiki says

Concorde was retired in 2003 due to a general downturn in the aviation industry after the type's only crash in 2000, the 11 September terrorist attacks in 2001, and a decision by Airbus, the successor firm of Aérospatiale and BAC, to discontinue maintenance support.


heres what i say

The 2000 crash had a huge effect on Concordes reputation, she was taken out of service for nearly 2 years. Safety improvements were made in the wake of the crash, including more secure electrical controls, Kevlar lining on the fuel tanks and specially developed burst-resistant tyres, there was also a luxurious refit of the interior and if memory serves me included removing one row of seats.

During the break in service other airlines were keen to gain these premier passsengers, For example, Virgin Altantic had a promotion stand immediately outside the BA First Class Lounge in Terminal 4 where they promoted the newly introduced "sleeper" style seats. Passengers may not be able to travel as quickly but they could certainly travel in more style and comforton Virgin and other carriers especially as they were offering fantastic inducements to gain these wealthy passengers

She returned to service the month after the 9/11 outrage at a time when NOONE was flying, believe me, Heathrow was a strange place to be, Concorde checkin was quiet. The service still had to run whether there was any one on board or not, i remember her departing for New York with one passenger onboard.

I thought at the time that Bransons offer was more to score points over BA in the war over premier class passengers, and i still feel the same about it now. there was no chance of Branson pulling it off, with no manufacturer prepared to supply spare parts, remember these are bespoke parts manufactured to aviation grade by a French manufacturer.

In 1981 British Airways bought Concorde in its' entirity for £16.5 million plus the first year’s profits and were entiltled to refuse Virgins' offer of £ 1.00 per aircraft. He turned them down when the price was set at 1,000,000.
BAE systems was the manufacturer of the aircraft in collaboration with Ftrench aircraft manufacturers, the project was funded jointly by France and UK Governments. The development project was negotiated as an international treaty between the two countries rather than a commercial agreement between companies and as such there was no lease from BAE (or anyone else)

The decision to allow Concorde out to play has nothing to do with BAE.

I think it very unlikely that the project will succeed, the fleet is spread far and wide in exhibitions and museums......i fear she will never fly again.

ps.......i was Customer Service Duty Manager in Terminal 4 for BAA the airport operator ( yes, the queues were all my fault !!!)

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This is what happenned to all the BA Concordes, there is also one at Duxford Museum but since they built the M11 the runway was too short to allow her to take off


  • Airbus UK, Filton, Bristol, UK
  • Manchester Airport, UK
  • Museum of Flight, near Edinburgh, UK
  • Heathrow Airport, UK
  • Museum of Flight, Seattle, US
  • Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, New York, US
  • Grantley Adams Airport, Bridgetown, Barbados
  • Brooklands Museum, Weybridge, UK (never commercially flown)
Source: British Airways

Bransons attempt was a publicity stunt, he is, after all, a master of self promotion.


here is a list and map of all the Concordes
http://www.daftlogic.com/information-locations-of-concorde-planes.htm
 
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Publicity or not. Concorde is one of a kind, R. B would of had the money to keep concorde flying. B.A gets to make millions frome sale of the fleet and R. B now has a high speed airline monopoly. Both parties would of had a lot to gain from it except maybe R. B would have gained a lot more out of keeping the flights going. I think it was more or less a business decision not to let R. B have them. B. A didnt want Branson to profit too much with the sale
 

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In October 2003, Branson wrote in The Economist that his final offer was "over £5 million

Jock Lowe, ex-chief Concorde pilot and manager of the fleet estimated in 2004 that it would cost £10–15 million to make G-BOAF airworthy again.
28 specialist engineering staff are required for each aircraft, compared with 11 for conventional jets.

She made a net average profit of about £30m a year. That is £500m net profit over her lifetime.

The only reason BA ever made a profit on Concorde was because it was given the fleet for £1 each on privatisation. The development costs of Concorde were around £1.134 billion, which was funded by the UK and French governments. The cost to build the 16 production Concordes was £654 million of which £278 million was recovered through sales returns (this included spares, technical support, etc.).

For Concorde, the problem is compounded by the fact that there are only nine airworthy craft left. Spares cannot be mass-produced and are therefore expensive. All Concordes were hand-built, and differ in their dimensions. So when the fuel tanks were given new linings following the Paris disaster in July 2000, Airbus, the manufacturers, had to make a unique liner for each tank section of each aircraft.

Airbus calculates that maintenance bills will rise by about £8 million per aircraft over two years. (2004-2006)

Air France's operation was unable to make a profit since Concorde returned and it is believed the operation was maintained as a matter of National pride and not economics. The charter business was very important and it disappeared after the disaster.
 

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Hey @CAPSLOCKSTUCK

Padding your posts out with duplicate paragraphs

yes i know its for Emphasis
Paragraph 1
The only reason BA ever made a profit on Concorde was because it was given the fleet for £1 each on privatisation. The development costs of Concorde were around £1.134 billion, which was funded by the UK and French governments. The cost to build the 16 production Concordes was £654 million of which £278 million was recovered through sales returns (this included spares, technical support, etc.).

padding for post the final paragraph
The only reason BA ever made a profit on Concorde was because it was given the fleet for £1 each on privatisation. The development costs of Concorde were around £1.134 billion, which was funded by the UK and French governments. The cost to build the 16 production Concordes was £654 million of which £278 million was recovered through sales returns (this included spares, technical support, etc.).
:):):)
 

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i deleted it when i reread it.........about 3 mins ago, too soon after posting for the edit banner to appear. ;)
 

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Wasps dying all over the place really gave me a nice scare in the morning with three of them lying in the bathroom, on their backs and wiggling about. About 20 minutes later, they had all expired. I felt pity for the insects as I thought they were bees (I didn't know that wasps could be furry), then someone came along told me that they were wasps and all the pity went into the rubbish bin along with their corpses.

CAPSLOCKSTUCK what was it that caused you to black out behind the wheel? I hope you feel better soon.
 
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Today I learned that UK sockets don't let you plug anything in unless something is in the earthing hole. That makes me wonder, are there fewer toddlers that get electrocuted every year in the UK than in the US?
Yes thats Called the Earthing PIN
It makes Sure your Device is connected to earth before the device is connected to power supply (provided device has earth wire and its wired into plug
We like our Kids Alive

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Don't know the full medical history of caps but he suffers violent heavy Intense migraine style headaches which he is looking for a medical reason. he is Currently awaiting test Results and Consultation from specilist ( Recent MRI Scan ).
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Wasps yeh not nice guess you know they sting multiple times if agrevated
Hornets are Bigger and even more Nasty

How to Kill Wasps And Hornets

Raid your wife / girlfriend /your own gay stash (as appropriate ) for hairSpray

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@RCoon - You loved 'The Birthday Massacre' so heres something similar



Their album is most excellent. Heres their bandcamp - £7 is amazing value for this album.

'Fly for your life' in particular is one hell of an amazing music video.
 
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Where does the pump go though? You'd have to run a tube reservoir/pump setup.

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Just grabbed this for £35 in a lightning deal



I dont even think ive opened the 12year one i bought a few months ago yet :p
 

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what proof is that bottle ? does it still have the angels share or is that gone?
 

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what proof is that bottle ? does it still have the angels share or is that gone?

Not quite sure about proof - Only 27% have been claimed so far but Im on a amazon prime trial so i have early access to lightning deals Not sure when it starts for regular customers but keep your eye on it because it will go quick when the deal opens up for everyone else.

I'll be sure to open up the 12year with this one and have a bit of a tasting session tomorrow :p
 
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