Skylake i7 6700K lose to Haswell i7 4790K in gaming?

[cdawall]

First Post yours.

I can post ones showing my FX9370 beating a 6700K. Don't ask clock speeds and I am cherry picking benchmarks. I am thinking something with true mulithreading in linux.

 

[dorsetknob]

Your the Mouth thats Flapping in this thread i do not own either of these CPU so cannot
But then again Neither do you
ALL u want to do is post F>U>D

Why don't you just Trash the thread so the mods lock it that way your FUD is preserved

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Skylake is more of a reference CPU for future releases... I was highly disappointed this past spring when benchmarks began to leak, which is why I opted for Haswell-E over Skylake. I waited a LONG time for Skylake while running a Q6600. The Q6600 is still a beast in some scenarios but lacking with modern software.

You are not alone my friend. I've been waiting for some time on an i7 950, and now I plan to wait and see what Zen can do.

What is title of this thread? Who does not want to discuss the 6700K losing to 4790k, you should not follow this thread.

Seems to me you're glossing over the fact that this isn't just a tech forum, it's a very gaming oriented tech forum, and gaming wise, at best, Skylake is disappointing, and that includes DDR4. Every scenario painted here by Skylake advocates has it requiring a LOT of money dumped into, and still, just to gain mostly non gaming performance.

So then, I ask, what's the point of bothering with Skylake? Why not just opt for an enthusiast platform if you're going to turn what is supposed to be a budget platform into a money pit?

 

[EarthDog]

I can post ones showing my FX9370 beating a 6700K. Don't ask clock speeds and I am cherry picking benchmarks. I am thinking something with true mulithreading in linux.

What is funny is he thanked your post... seemingly not catching on to the fact of the cherry picking, linux, etc... Good times..

Anyway: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/08/intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-reviewed/

Seems like a 4Ghz Haswell and a 4GHz 6700K are the same here(link above) across these 4 titles, no? There are several reviews with similar results...

Every scenario painted here by Skylake advocates has it requiring a LOT of money dumped into, and still, just to gain mostly non gaming performance.

The difference between Haswell/z97 and Skylake Z170, really isn't that much different. I think I built strikingly similar rigs for a difference of around $50. There is a slight premium for the CPU ($30) and the ram ($10). That leaves $10 for a slightly more expensive motherboard.

 

[cadaveca]

First Post yours.

I did, and asked you to do the same? No response? I wrote the review, ran those benchmarks. You posted YouTube videos that aren't your own? 2nd-hand information is pure conjecture.

The difference between Haswell/z97 and Skylake Z170, really isn't that much different. I think I built strikingly similar rigs for a difference of around $50. There is a slight premium for the CPU ($30) and the ram ($10). That leaves $10 for a slightly more expensive motherboard.

Pricing and availability issue at launch have confounded this. The recent drops in DDR4 prices were really required in order to make the deal sweeter for sure. Even in the end, since Z170 has lower overall power consumption (based on my own testing), paying the extra $25 now or later shouldn't be an issue, either.

 

[Zoinho]

Seems to me you're glossing over the fact that this isn't just a tech forum, it's a very gaming oriented tech forum, and gaming wise, at best, Skylake is disappointing, and that includes DDR4. Every scenario painted here by Skylake advocates has it requiring a LOT of money dumped into, and still, just to gain mostly non gaming performance.

So then, I ask, what's the point of bothering with Skylake? Why not just opt for an enthusiast platform if you're going to turn what is supposed to be a budget platform into a money pit?

Even after two generations we no have gain... an old 4790k beats the new generation.

 

[EarthDog]

Even after two generations we no have gain... an old 4790k beats the new generation.

Its gaming... in a lot of titles, the CPU won't matter in the first place!! WTH were you expecting? Have you read any reviews of games that show, in many cases, very little differences between generations going back to S1366/Nehalem? Same with AMD CPUs too! The higher the res, the less the CPU means in a lot of titles (RPG/MMOs are a different story).

Damn man, do a lot less posting and a lot more LEARNING, would ya? You really look incredibly foolish with your piss poor counterpoints... and its sourced in a nearly complete lack of knowledge on how things work and what results you can get.

 

[dorsetknob]

2nd-hand information is pure conjecture.

Or in other words

What is title of this thread? Who does not want to discuss the 6700K losing to 4790k, you should not follow this thread.

@Zoinho
By the way in case you did not Notice your not the Original Post Starter
So why should you have any say in who follows this thread

 

[Zoinho]

Or in other words

@Zoinho
By the way in case you did not Notice your not the Original Post Starter
So why should you have any say in who follows this thread

According to the preliminary (NDA) and pulled down tests, Skylake is good for syntetic benches (109% over i7 4790K):


...but it sadly and surprisingly lose (4 tp 6%) in gaming tests to i7 4790K:

Sure, Anandtech is trying to cover this debacle, using an i7 4770K to unfair comparsion and ComputerBase tweaked the results to make Skylake look good (1% faster that i7 4790K) by throving syntetic benches in the mix, but gaming tests show that i7 4790K wins.

Only in Total War: Attila Skylake with GTX 980 Ti combination wins slightly faster result.

At least the TDP get from 95W lovered to 91W (only marketing change?). OTOH the asking price will be 350$ for i7 6700K and i5 6600K will be for 243$.

http://wccftech.com/intel-unleashes...5-6600k-processors-91w-z170-platform-support/
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-core-i7-6700k-cpu-review-processor-gaming-performance/
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-08/intel-core-i5-6600k-i7-6700k-test-benchmark-skylake/

@dorsetknob First Post of "Original Post Starter" is here. I repeat: What is the theme or title of this thread?

 

[dorsetknob]

@Zoinho
By the way in case you did not Notice your not the Original Post Starter
So why should you have any say in who follows this thread

And Many posters have Debunked the claim EXCEPT YOU AND YOUR SPEW TUBE TIRADE

 

[sneekypeet]

Only Warning, stay on topic, and keep the personal comments to yourselves!
Anything else that brings me here will be awarded with points

 

[Shmoo]

All I can say is that I am happier than I have ever been on any platform in the past, even for gaming. This is why I felt compelled to voice my opinion. Of course my 980 Ti doesn't really hurt matters either though! I have never been one who likes to argue in forum threads, everyone is entitled to form their own opinion. If it is not the RAM or RAM latency slowing it down in those comparisons, then maybe it's just the chipset or a combination of a few things? Even at stock clocks I am very impressed when gaming or doing anything pretty much. I got an 82.3% ASIC score on my 980 Ti. I can't wait to get my custom loop going so I can overclock more comfortably. I would highly recommend my combination of parts or similar. Lightning fast PC and never been happier!

 

[Frag_Maniac]

...in many cases, very little differences between generations going back to S1366/Nehalem?

But typically there's always been a gain, sometimes a substantial one, whereas here there's no gain for gaming, and in some cases even worse performance.

People are going to vote with their wallets on this one, and for anyone not getting squat for performance gain over what they have now, Zen looks worthwhile waiting for.

Everything that's been said indicates the only ones interested in Skylake are those whom are at entry enthusiast level budgets, and news flash, that's a smaller niche market than you typically see for budget platforms.

So it's not just a lot of review sites saying many will pass on it, more importantly, a lot of consumers are not impressed with it, and rightfully so.

The timing is right for a good comeback for AMD.

 

[EarthDog]

There are (meager) gains in applications. And typically, from SB->IB->Haswell, we didn't see much of anything at a clock for clock level between them.

I agree with those reviews, particularly Anand's that state if you are 2600K or below, its worth the upgrade.

Again, depends on the title as to what gains, if any will come from the CPU. Look at BF4 for an example: http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page6.html
Notice no difference between 3770K and 4770k? Look at the I7 920 hanging in there with 500Mhz less on the clocks and SIGNIFICANT gains between it and 4770K...3 FPS difference!

DA:I - http://www.techspot.com/review/921-dragon-age-inquisition-benchmarks/page6.html
TW3 - http://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/page5.html (4670K and 2500K)

Meager gains if not attributed to clockspeed, no?

Not sure what the big deal is since we haven't seen worthy jump in gaming performance since SB over Nehalem.

 

[RealNeil]

Some of the older platforms were outstanding. My i7-2600K is still able to crank out the FPS with decent GPUs inside. My i7-870 is long in the tooth even though it still runs well.

But I'm keeping three systems as upgraded as possible (one for me, two for the grandkids) and I don't want them to be too far behind the latest generation hardware if possible.
So I'll try to swap out my 4770K, my 4790K, and my FX-9590 boxes for Skylake i7s over the next 5 or 6 months. My GPUs are good for a year, maybe a year and a half.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Look at the I7 920 hanging in there...we haven't seen worthy jump in gaming performance since SB over Nehalem.

Seriously contradicting yourself there. After all, the 920 IS Nehalem.

What I don't see a point to is a few that bit on Skylake, some blatantly admitting for free, grandstanding like it's a revelation. I think the public can decide for themselves.

I've already seen LOT of people echo that they're waiting to check out Zen, pretty much every time I mention it.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I think 920 to 6700K is worth it. I'd maybe consider 2600K to 6700K worth it too but other than that, nope. Comparing 4### to 6### doesn't make any sense either because a) people with 4### shouldn't upgrade to 6### and b) people looking to buy something new now will look at 5### (laptop) or 6### (desktop), not 4###. If you're in a position to wait until 2017, yeah, stick it out for Zen or Cannonlake.

 

[EarthDog]

Seriously contradicting yourself there. After all, the 920 IS Nehalem.

What I don't see a point to is a few that bit on Skylake, some blatantly admitting for free, grandstanding like it's a revelation. I think the public can decide for themselves

Context and comprehension.... I was talking about gaming there, also the subject of the thread . Clearly the 920 gets worked by modern architecture in everything else. In several games, ones that don't rely on the cpu as much, it can hang in there.

If you think people can decide for themselves, you have too much faith in humanity. The average consumer is an idiot and count tell the difference between sandybridge, ivy bridge and the Brooklyn bridge. Lol!

 

[Frag_Maniac]

The average consumer is an idiot and count tell the difference between sandybridge, ivy bridge and the Brooklyn bridge. Lol!

Yet here you are advocating a so called budget platform that realistically has entry level enthusiast pricing once configured optimally, only to get equal performance in gaming.

The reality is, new CPU gens are a typically low performance increase, 5-15% at best on average, but the difference is, there typically is an increase, and not at enthusiast pricing.

If you can't see that the two of those factors combined makes Skylake an epic fail for most gamers, than you need to seriously redefine your perception of the word idiot. There may be one staring back at you in the mirror, that can't for the life of him remember where his money went.

For every one consumer out there that is a little naive about components, there are 10 more that think nothing of pissing their money away wastefully just to have the latest crap, even if it isn't the greatest. At the end of the day, bragging rights only make sense if you actually have something to brag about.

 

[cdawall]

The average consumer doesn't understand why a pentium at 2.16ghz is slower than an i7 at 2.0. Regardless of generation.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

It doesn't really matter how tech oriented the average consumer is. I see more and more naive gamers every day taking to tech forums and asking for advice, and trust me, most of them are being told to avoid Skylake.

It was said just a few posts ago that Skylake only makes sense if you have an older CPU/platform, nope. Check the forums like Toms, people are still advocating 1150, 4690k, DDR3, etc, over Skylake because they get MUCH better gaming value.

And as far as app performance, a decent SSD still makes more sense than wasting a lot of money on Skylake.

 

[cdawall]

Tom's is full of morons

 

[EarthDog]

Yet here you are advocating a so called budget platform that realistically has entry level enthusiast pricing once configured optimally, only to get equal performance in gaming.

The reality is, new CPU gens are a typically low performance increase, 5-15% at best on average, but the difference is, there typically is an increase, and not at enthusiast pricing.

If you can't see that the two of those factors combined makes Skylake an epic fail for most gamers, than you need to seriously redefine your perception of the word idiot. There may be one staring back at you in the mirror, that can't for the life of him remember where his money went.

For every one consumer out there that is a little naive about components, there are 10 more that think nothing of pissing their money away wastefully just to have the latest crap, even if it isn't the greatest. At the end of the day, bragging rights only make sense if you actually have something to brag about.

wait, what? What are you going on about? PM me...

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Tom's is full of morons

Is a naive person that has the restraint and common sense to ask for help and actually learn something more of a "moron" than someone that wastes a couple hundred on an equal performing platform, settling for a GPU 1-2 models lower in the process?

The way I see it, the morons are the ones in denial. They can be of high intelligence level, but lack the common sense to use it effectively.

The reality is, Tom's is full of naive gamers looking for help, but it's never more moronic when a handful of elitists jump in a thread and try and convince them they should spend hundreds more than they need to, without really gaining any performance.

 

[cdawall]

Is a naive person that has the restraint and common sense to ask for help and actually learn something more of a "moron" than someone that wastes a couple hundred on an equal performing platform, settling for a GPU 1-2 models lower in the process?

The way I see it, the morons are the ones in denial. They can be of high intelligence level, but lack the common sense to use it effectively.

Oh I don't care about the people asking. Most of the clowns answering however are 15 year old kids who are idiots.