Intel Core i7-5775C and i5-5675C Hit Retail Channel in Early June

[BorisDG]

Intel said Devil's Canyon was 9-Series only too. That time changed very quickly once the board manufacturers proved it was BS.

Yes, but Devils Canyon is same CPU, just soldered IHS... Broadwell is different chip. Also after the "gift" to all Z87 users with Devil Canoyn, now with Broadwell won't happen.

So, 'Fresher Refresh?'

Nope. Shirinked refresh.

 

[ZeDestructor]

It's already confirmed that only Z97 will support Broadwell. Bios updates came already for supported motherboards.

I could swear I read that somewhere, but I can't find a source anymore.. oh well..

 

[newtekie1]

Yes, but Devils Canyon is same CPU, just soldered IHS... Broadwell is different chip. Also after the "gift" to all Z87 users with Devil Canoyn, now with Broadwell won't happen.

Broadwell might be different, but since it is a drop in replacement for Haswell, and Intel had said it is just a die shrink of Haswell, there really isn't any reason it shouldn't work with Z87 other than Intel artificially limiting the compatibility.

Devil's Canyon doesn't have a soldered IHS.

 

[Nordic]

Broadwell might be different, but since it is a drop in replacement for Haswell, and Intel had said it is just a die shrink of Haswell, there really isn't any reason it shouldn't work with Z87 other than Intel artificially limiting the compatibility.

Devil's Canyon doesn't have a soldered IHS.

What is it then? "Called "Devil's Canyon," the chips are made from high-performing dies binned out from the foundry, and placed on extra-durable packages with contact points that are designed for higher voltages, and a superior thermal interface material between the die and the integrated heatspreader (IHS). "
https://www.techpowerup.com/200725/...er-in-5-ghz-on-air-overclocking-era.html?cp=2

 

[TheHunter]

Broadwell might be different, but since it is a drop in replacement for Haswell, and Intel had said it is just a die shrink of Haswell, there really isn't any reason it shouldn't work with Z87 other than Intel artificially limiting the compatibility.

Devil's Canyon doesn't have a soldered IHS.

Yeah back in September 2013 @ IDF one Intel CEO for cpu market said, Broadwell is going to enable 2 types of devices one you can plug the chip directly into existing systems, 2nd we will have brand new systems with a broad new range of fanless designs. This was when there was no sign of Z97, etc yet..

~22Sec mark


Then later @ DevilsCanyon conference in2014 one Intel PR said DC won't be Z87 compatible, so much for that..


Well maybe they will release it a little later, all it takes is a IMEI firmware update..

I flashed my Z87 mobo with 5th gen IMEI and it installed fine, but its a little buggy bclk issue, I flashed back to 9.0.30.xxxx for now.. Although I saw there is already another newer 9.1.26.xxxx IMEI out there..

 

[newtekie1]

What is it then? "Called "Devil's Canyon," the chips are made from high-performing dies binned out from the foundry, and placed on extra-durable packages with contact points that are designed for higher voltages, and a superior thermal interface material between the die and the integrated heatspreader (IHS). "
https://www.techpowerup.com/200725/...er-in-5-ghz-on-air-overclocking-era.html?cp=2

Not solder, just not garbage TIM like normal Haswell processors.

http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/uncat...chips-ngptim-is-still-not-efficient-research/

 

[BorisDG]

Any news about Broadwell at this point? Should be soldered because of the Iris right?

 

[newtekie1]

Not likely. Using TIM is cheaper for Intel and good enough.

 

[ZeDestructor]

Not likely. Using TIM is cheaper for Intel and good enough.

It's more a case of the soldered dies cracking than it is a case of just going with barely good enough: somewhat counter-intuitively, it's the small dies that crack at the center of the core, not the large dies, which instead tend to crack at the corners. Consequently, for large dies, like the LGA2011 CPUs, solder-based TIM is still perfectly practical and in use, but on smaller cores you have to either go direct contact (heatsink directly on die, like in most mobile devices) or use some other form form of more compressible and flexible TIM instead. The result is that instead of the solder-based, die-attached TIM, we have to make do with mere polymer TIM.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Ill be getting skylake. Im still on an i5 2500k. I bet there is going to be at least a 40% improvement for me jumping that many generations.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Ill be getting skylake. Im still on an i5 2500k. I bet there is going to be at least a 40% improvement for me jumping that many generations.

I'll take that bet.

 

[ZeDestructor]

Ill be getting skylake. Im still on an i5 2500k. I bet there is going to be at least a 40% improvement for me jumping that many generations.

Looking at the progression from SNB to HSW, expect 7-15% improvement when jumping from SNB to SKL for most workloads. Very shiny and/or expensive new stuff that can use AVX effectively will see much larger improvements if done right. On the server side of things, doubling in performance from using AVX isn't all that rare.

 

[BorisDG]

Ill be getting skylake. Im still on an i5 2500k. I bet there is going to be at least a 40% improvement for me jumping that many generations.

Over 90000... haha optimist.

 

[twomacaque]

Yeah back in September 2013 @ IDF one Intel CEO for cpu market said, Broadwell is going to enable 2 types of devices one you can plug the chip directly into existing systems, 2nd we will have brand new systems with a broad new range of fanless designs. This was when there was no sign of Z97, etc yet..

~22Sec mark


Then later @ DevilsCanyon conference in2014 one Intel PR said DC won't be Z87 compatible, so much for that..


Well maybe they will release it a little later, all it takes is a IMEI firmware update..

I flashed my Z87 mobo with 5th gen IMEI and it installed fine, but its a little buggy bclk issue, I flashed back to 9.0.30.xxxx for now.. Although I saw there is already another newer 9.1.26.xxxx IMEI out there..

Is making Z87 compatible with 5775C simply a matter of Intel MEI and microcode updates? [of course assuming the rig has very stable power supply]

 

[BorisDG]

I think no. Only Z97.

 

[twomacaque]

I think no. Only Z97.

Hardware incompatibilities? Like power lines?

 

[Tatty_Two]

Possibly pin counts etc.

 

[peche]

I think no. Only Z97.

Hardware incompatibilities? Like power lines?

LGA1150: Haswel Bridge i3's, i5's, i7's, Pentium and Xeon. |l,Broadwell, i3's, i5's, i7's, and Devils canyon. i5's & i7's

The Desktop chipsets that support LGA 1150 are: H81, B85, Q85, Q87, H87, Z87 [bios update for : Devil's Canyon]

" Q87, H87, Z87 can support Broadwell processors, [Pentium , celeron , core i3, i5, i7 & Xeon processors,]"

[Core i3/i5/i7 - 4xxx, Pentium G3xxx, Celeron G18xx, Xeon E3-12xx-v3=Haswell]
[Core i3/i5/i7 - 5xxx, Core M - 5Yxx = Broadwell

 

[BorisDG]

" Q87, H87, Z87 can support Broadwell processors"

But they didn't.

 

[peche]

But they didn't.

really ?
i know that Z97 boards are able but remenber that Q and H 87 have almost the same features...

 

[BorisDG]

Show me an image with Z87 mobo and Broadwell CPU installed.... ops you can't.

 

[EarthDog]

Show me an image with Z87 mobo and Broadwell CPU installed.... ops you can't.

Can't blame anyone for thinking it would work... Intel said it would...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9320/intel-broadwell-review-i7-5775c-i5-5675c/2

The two ‘C’ models will be socketed LGA parts, meaning that with a BIOS upgrade should be compatible in all Z87 and Z97 motherboards.

Id be willing to bet money says that mobo MFG didn't update to get people to move to Z97 boards with 'native' support.

 

[BorisDG]

Firstly - yes, but actually - not. So If he wants Broadwell, he should own series 9 mobo.

 

[EarthDog]

Right. I get that... but we were told it would... and were not told it would not... that said, I wonder if there are actually some that have bios updates...

 

[Tatty_Two]

So are we saying that my board should support with Bios update?

Edit: Forget that, it does/will, just checked the CPU compatibility.