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Heaters , where do people get this from? My amd cpu runs half the temp my Intel cpu does. LOL 32c to be exact. Amd cpu's in general run cooler then Intel.

I think it's because the AMD CPU uses more power and generates more heat even though the cooler keeps your CPU cooler than your Intel CPU but the heat is still generated.
 
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The intel's will murder amd when it comes to video encoding

With so many people here telling you that intels architecture is more efficient not just power but performance wise also. Why are you still sticking to the same path?
 
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No idea why I'd need to explain what I want to do with this. Just want it for a multi-purpose computer, especially for playing video games on its own dedicated HDD, making/watching/burning Blu-rays, re-encoding videos, and more.


"especially for playing video games on its own dedicated HDD" i5 4690K imo, its a great choice for gaming.

I am willing to bet also if you go with an intel build, instead of going with a water cooler for a 9590, you can probably get an SSD instead of an HDD too, and have an all around faster rig for gaming and everything you want to do.

Just my two cents.
 

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Even 1080p proper without DVNR or EE for making custom Blu-rays? Guess both CPU and RAM doesn't matter for encoding or re-encoding. Glad someone hasn't mentioned don't go for 32GB RAM because why should I need that much?:slap:
Also I don't know shit about Intel and it'd be far too much to research all over. I don't give a toss about streaming and obviously would rather have physical.

encoding is encoding, There is no other form of encoding. Certain programs/software might make use of the CUDA cores on your graphics card so if you need to encode a lot of big big big files. an extra GPU might help with the load - Its not a critical add-on though but it might speed things up a little. a lot of dedicated video encoding machines are running as many Nvidia GPUs as they can get away with because for encoding.

CPU matters a lot with encoding if there are no CUDA cores present. AMD has OpenCL on their graphics cards (CUDA equivalent) but last time i heard anything being said about OpenCL was that it was pretty much dead in the water. Not sure if that has changed over these last 2-3 years.

Obviously you could just ignore everyones opinion and go with your original plan. Afterall none of us are going to be using your computer EVER....
 

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So is the aftermarket heatsink I chose a good one to use with the CPU I chose? Figures the EVO isn't going to cut it.
Now I just need to find better prices.

I have seen lots of people say that when stress testing, which should be the same as encoding, their top tier air cooler doesn't cut it. Saw one guy saying that when he did Prime95 with a NH-D14 his PC shut down after 30min. With a NH-D15, which is considered the best air cooler available, doing long encodes on a 9590 it simply may not be enough cooling power, you may have to go for a dual rad 14cm AIO water cooler.[

I did some research and the consensus was that the best of the best air coolers were fine with general tasks and gaming but when using the CPU at the fullest like when encoding or stress testing the temps were really high. Might be fine if the room you're PC is in is at 18C all the time but I wouldn't be secure a NH-D14's ability to cool the 9590 while doing the most strenuous activities.
 

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Only figure I'd stick with AMD mainly because I'm far more used to their structure compared to Intel which I barely know squat about.

Do you think switching to Intel will require you to learn a new language or something? The only difference is you have to learn to put a CPU in an lga socket, it really isn't that hard...
 

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@Ray_Rogers2109 Look, if you don't want to listen to all the Intel suggestions, do what you want. But there's no way you're cooling the 9590 on air, period. The D15 and TC14PE are at their limits trying to cool a 9370. The FX-9370 has long been touted as the considerably more sane of the two FX-9xxx CPUs, because it hardly costs you any performance while staying a good deal cooler than the pure marketing BS POS that is the 9590. If the 9370 is the Sahara then the 9590 is sheer hell fire.

The notion that FX CPUs are cooler than Intel CPUs while drawing more power is partially true, but not entirely accurate. Sure, they employ solder for better heat transfer and appear to be cooler in operation, but these mainstream Visheras throttle at 70 C to protect themselves, because AMD's weird temperature calculations make that temperature seem a lot more harmless than it is. 70 C on an OC'ed Haswell chip is a godsend; Intel chips get into throttling territory in the 90+ area.

In your spare time, it might do you some good to educate yourself on the tale of Prescott. Higher clock speeds don't always mean a better experience. In the case of 5GHz Piledriver and 3GHz Prescott, it means less performance than the competition, more heat, and more picky component selection in boards and cooling just to deal with one CPU.
 
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@Ray_Rogers2109 , do you understand that the FX-9590 is designed for (extreme) OC'ing? Think alcohol blown 500 CID Hemi. It's the AMD fanboy CPU.

What you've said though is that you want a daily driver. (love the hollowed out bowtie)

If that's what you want, there's nothing wrong with the FX-8350, we just wanted you to know what the state of computing is. You'll get more for your money with an i7-6700K build, IMHO.

You are one of the few people for whom I would suggest considering a X99 setup. For instance, the cough, cough, $649 :eek: ASRock X99 Extreme11 has 18 SATA ports! An i7-5820K will set you back $390.
 
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Go for an 8350. Most can get to 4.4Ghz with little effort, just 300Mhz less than the 9590's stock speed.
 
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I'll just say this, I have Amd rigs and intel rigs. My main rig is running an oc'd Fx8350, why? Because it just wasn't worth the trouble for me to swap everything over to my 3930k rig to make it my main. The Fx8350 rig does everything I need it to and take all I throw at it with out as much as a hiccup. The 3930k is running linux now and is a dedicated crunching rig.
So, this is interesting. I'm in the exact same scenario. Main rig was an oc'd FX-8350 and I also have a 3930k rig. I did end up switching to the 3930k, but only because I needed to clean out the water cooling loop on the AMD rig and never really bothered to put it back together. Laziness ftw.

Just like Sir Mad Shot, I really didn't have any problem with my FX 8350 rig performance-wise. The high clock speeds meant it did decently in single-threaded tasks and the 8 cores meant it could throw down some nice multi-threaded numbers too. Granted the 3930k is technically better, the only way I'd notice is if I ran benchmarks side by side. Daily use, I don't notice a difference.

On paper, Intel is generally better at most everything. I would have recommended AMD a few years ago just for the price/performance you get, but considering how old the FX lineup is and IPC improvements through the generations, Intel really is where it's at. The absolute bottom line though, go with whatever makes you the happiest.

I know someone who bought a FX 9370/9390 (can't remember which one) and put it on a Hyper 212 Evo with one of the mounting screws missing and two fans pointing opposite directions (both blowing IN towards the cooler). They didn't understand why they kept BSODing. I explained it's all those reasons and they really should have gone with a FX 83xx, but they insisted that none of those problems were the cause and they'd just fix it by pointing their AC at the case (only way they could get it to run).
They also kept telling me the temps were fine because it's only 50c (at idle).
 
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I think it's because the AMD CPU uses more power and generates more heat even though the cooler keeps your CPU cooler than your Intel CPU but the heat is still generated.
Yeah could be but one of my intel rigs are water cooled too. It runs 60c under load where my Amd rigs including the air cooled ones run no more then 40c under load. With my main rig being the coolest @ 32c under 100% load.
 
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So, the new proposed rig is going to run AMD. You're already running a 3930k as a cruncher, but it's too much of an effort to figure out what is going on with an Intel system. Seems like an odd ask, but there's a way to summarize all of this.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-vs-AMD-FX-9590

If you scroll down, you'll see a couple of different ratings. The two of particular note are the per core performance (gaming is still largely that), and the overall performance per watt. As you're looking at these numbers, we've got two conclusions. The AMD chip is only worth while in intensive loading (ie, lower initial cost is repaid with higher operational costs). On the single core performance the Intel offering stomps all over the AMD offering. This is comparing a 4 core to an "8" core processor, and their performances are still the same. That, in numbers, is why people are telling you that buying new AMD hardware now, that you actually have to buy in installments due to the budget, is not a sound choice.

Why I'm comparing the 9590 to the 4690k should be noted. Both are DDR3, so they can be a system upgrade and not a new one entirely. Both are on a functionally dead socket. Most importantly, both of these offerings are at about the same price point now.



So, let's just assume that you're staunch anti-Intel enough to stick to your guns. First off, your dedication is both admirable and insane in equal measures. You have shown Intel that you can give them up, but it's getting a functionally worse piece of hardware. The best up-side to AMD is that because they're less power savings oriented their chips generally overclock well. If that's your thing, then I suggest some patience. You cite that nothing is wrong now, but follow that with a declaration that you are going to upgrade for kicks over the next few months. Can you wait a little longer?

It's already been said, but AMD is promising a lot with Zen. Within striking distance of Intel style promises (DDR4, only 1 or two nodes behind Intel, and ditching the bastardized core designs of Bulldozer). I myself am going to be looking at them for my next upgrade. I'm tired of the Intel BS, but a 40-50% drop in performance per watt is just insane. I'll pay the extra few dollars up front, because that kind of power draw difference (even with the cheap electric prices in the US) pays for itself and then some. Zen could potentially change that, and saving up money for a year will mean instead of parting a machine together you can get something nice all in one shot whenever AMD actually rolls Zen out.
 
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Yeah I thin that was aimed at me. But I have no reason for upgrading at the moment. I will wait for Zen.

OP it is ultimately your decision on what you upgrade to. I am just at the other end of the spectrum and saying Amd will perform nicely for you. I game and crunch on my rig so it gets beat pretty hard and continues to take it with a smile. Now I have heard the some of the people in our crunching team that are running Intel rigs have noticed crunching does take a big hit to the system where they have to suspend it while using the rig where as I don't. I cannot tell the rig is crunching in the background. Also in regards to water cooling, you could go full custom or use an aio like the H100i. I am using an H100i on my 8350 oc'd to 4.4 and it runs really cool. If your not going to oc right away and are thinking of going with a 8350 then that Hyper 212 will work great on it. That is what I had before the H100i and it did a great job.
 
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So what if I eventually do consider going liquid cooling in the future? I figure I might give it a shot in the future but this tower I chose has a great airflow set-up. 8350 or the 8570 or whichever?

I don't have anything Intel so might be responding to the person above you? I have no intention in Upgrading my current build whatsoever. Last I had an Intel based computer was maybe right after the Pentium 4 but I also had an AMD.

I have no idea what's going on now. Just want to put everything together, move over all the data I need to, install the OS onto the SSD and all software needed. Of course the video games including Steam on the dedicated 3TB HDD, make my current build for people who want to come over and also play video games. Not as powerful without the EVGA 970 4GB FTW which I already own and always keep the drivers updated. (Yeah I'll be putting the Sapphire dual fan 6950 2GB back in it once the one I want to build is finished. Maybe tons more legacy games since the particular graphics card isn't all that powerful any longer? Hell I'd even have a taped printout of the games installed on it, maybe.)


You are correct, my apologies on not making that clear. The intention was to address both points (why Intel is being recommended above AMD, and why upgrading right now is not reasonable), while still addressing the points that you had made.

Reading back over it, the comment is a mess.
 

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To put things in perspective my 9370 with an H100i and fans in push/pull can only pull off 4.8ghz with acceptable to me temps, but it could also do that on my modded CM V10.
 
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To put things in perspective my 9370 with an H100i and fans in push/pull can only pull off 4.8ghz with acceptable to me temps, but it could also do that on my modded CM V10.
And me at the other end of the fence, with my 8350 clocked only at 4.4 in push only config am getting great temps. For normal users the 8350 is probably the best bet as It can be cooled with an air cooler quiet well. Especially if overclocking is not going to be a factor.
 

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And me at the other end of the fence, with my 8350 clocked only at 4.4 in push only config am getting great temps. For normal users the 8350 is probably the best bet as It can be cooled with an air cooler quiet well. Especially if overclocking is not going to be a factor.

I have it set to turbo up to 5ghz, but it hits in the 60's I don't like that personally.
 
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My 8350 runs at 4.5G @ stock voltages... literally just upped the multiplier - running a hyper 212 evo - Temps under load are around 50c (Not stress testing load)

Personally I would not get a 9 series FX processor.... I don't see a difference between the 8 series and 9 except one could be used as a winter heater. The extra clock speed is just numbers.
 

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My 8350 runs at 4.5G @ stock voltages... literally just upped the multiplier - running a hyper 212 evo - Temps under load are around 50c (Not stress testing load)

Personally I would not get a 9 series FX processor.... I don't see a difference between the 8 series and 9 except one could be used as a winter heater. The extra clock speed is just numbers.

Oh that's true, I just wanted one so I got one. I have had a 9370 since release.
 
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Memory 4x 8gb G.Skill Snipers / 4x 4gb G.Skill Ares
Video Card(s) Gigabyte R9 290x / XfX DD & VisionTek HD6850's C'fired
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Case Raidmax Vampire / Chieftec Alum. Dragon Blue
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Power Supply Corsair TX 850 watt / Corsair TX 750 watt
Mouse Logitech G500s
Keyboard Corsair Strafe
Software Win 10 pro / Win Vista Home prem. 64 bit
Benchmark Scores What are benchmarks anyway?
I have it set to turbo up to 5ghz, but it hits in the 60's I don't like that personally.
Yea 60's would cause panic attacks and heavy drinking in me. When I was on air mid 50's bothered the living crap out of me.
 
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You can just snip the wires of the leds and leave them in place. The H 212+/evo will works on the Fx 8350 really well also. So if you like it on your current build you can also get one for your new build. Just pick up an extra fan and run it in push pull config for best performance. I use 32 gb of Gskill Snipers on my rig and have complaints what so ever with them. Also what Mobo are you looking at?
 

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The AMD CPU is 4.7GHz. Why should I wait for the Zen? Why should I even consider buying the vastly overpriced Intel CPU?

The clock speed of a CPU does not determine its performance entirely. An i7 4770k, stock speed after turbo is 3.9ghz, and it slaps that amd 4.7ghz chip silly in all games. I hate seeing people say, "oh it has a faster clock out of the box, it has to be better." NO.
 

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Even 1080p proper without DVNR or EE for making custom Blu-rays? Guess both CPU and RAM doesn't matter for encoding or re-encoding. Glad someone hasn't mentioned don't go for 32GB RAM because why should I need that much?:slap:
Also I don't know shit about Intel and it'd be far too much to research all over. I don't give a toss about streaming and obviously would rather have physical.

I'll stop wasting my time and just post my Blu-ray collection.
http://www.blu-ray.com/community/collection.php?u=72116&

Just in case. Regarding the GPU and Monitor, current. Why shouldn't I buy something I already own? Not going to bring up UHD Blu-ray disc.


That sole SSD is only for the Operating System(s) and any software I need on it. The 3TB HDDs will be used for more permanent storage, including the one or two dedicated solely to video game installs.

EDIT: Yes, I'll be installing Steam on the dedicated Video Game HDD. NOT the SSD.
Dont be lazy, and learn about Intel. Once you know the basics then decide. Dont make an ignorant buying decision, especially with a dead and socket that has no upgrade path so you might have to upgrade everything again if Zen is really good.
 
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