Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

[Deleted member 74752]

HTC - The KB3035583 update is just how it all begins...from that point is where Microsoft begins to revert your update settings without consent.

 

[P4-630]

HTC - The KB3035583 update is just how it all begins...from that point is where Microsoft begins to revert your update settings without consent.

Well I removed KB3035583 and have hidden it.
Still happy in control on windows 8.1

 

[Deleted member 74752]

I just noticed something else interesting. Those of you with Win 10 installed...check your update settings and see where Microsoft can spread updates to other pc's and devices over a network. Almost like a virus, eh?

 

[R-T-B]

I just noticed something else interesting. Those of you with Win 10 installed...check your update settings and see where Microsoft can spread updates to other pc's and devices over a network. Almost like a virus, eh?

that's no more a virus than any peer to peer program..

other
company's can make software that does it why cannot MS the company with so much more money than they have.

Simple they don't want or give a dam.

I agree with that 100%

 

[Deleted member 74752]

that's no more a virus than any peer to peer program..

Difference is it was done by Microsoft, not by you the end user.

 

[RejZoR]

Well, P2P within same network is actually a good idea. I have 3 systems in my home network, without this I have to download 6GB's for a 2GB major update on a 10Mbit line which will take a while. But with P2P, 3 computers can share single 2GB download within N or AC speed wireless network. Which is SIGNIFICANLY faster. Meaning I'll download less data and update clients faster. However, sending updates outside the network, nope. Don't like that.

 

[AsRock]

Difference is it was done by Microsoft, not by you the end user.

Some people are bandwidth limited, so it be better for those with bandwidth caps.

 

[Kursah]

I just noticed something else interesting. Those of you with Win 10 installed...check your update settings and see where Microsoft can spread updates to other pc's and devices over a network. Almost like a virus, eh?

Seems more like WDS-lite to me. It's actually pretty useful if you have a house full of Win10 computers. I can see where folks that want more control over specific deployment options or aren't used to such concepts seeing it as a bad thing though. For those that want more control, create a WDS server (VM) if you have a home server.

Plus if it has less negative impact on your WAN where your LAN appliances can handle the load, keeps everyone streaming and updated and happy...there's less harm to it overall. +1 to what @AsRock says about bandwidth caps too...with the recent 1511 deployment...who would want to download that half a dozen times when it could merely be shared across the LAN as an update from another workstation? I can see where people are up in arms about the Automatic Update limitation, but sharing updates across local PC's doesn't seem that big of an issue to me. Sure it could be classified as malware, but not from a utility and management pov imho.

 

[Deleted member 74752]

Some of you are completely missing the point here or have morphed it into another topic. Microsoft has effectively taken the end user out of the loop with Win 10 in some instances and continues to coerce those with Win 7 via disreputable business tactics. In simpler terms, Microsoft is making decisions for you in areas where you should be in control and is doing so without your consent.

 

[HTC]

HTC - The KB3035583 update is just how it all begins...from that point is where Microsoft begins to revert your update settings without consent.

I did the same, but it STILL does what i showed in them pics i posted!

 

[anubis44]

I'm starting to like WIndows 10 now. But only after TH2 release. Apparently Microsoft is only capable of making decent OS after a big update.

Windows XP needed SP2 for properly getting up to the level, Vista needed SP1 before it became good OS (yeah yeah, people still bitched, but it was a good OS). Windows 7 also needed one service pack to get shit sorted. Windows 8 needed 8.1 update and Windows 10 needed TH2 update. AMD hardware is still bitch to use on Windows 10 because of retarded forced Windows 10 driver updating but NVIDIA is great. They don't update graphic drivers and lif is SO MUCH EASIER.

My ACER Iconia W4 820 tablet is also usable with Windows 10 now, especially because context menus are now wider, making it easier to use with big fingers on a touch screen and Firefox 43 will even get a keyboard that pops up when you click inside fields. They only needed almost 1 year to do it where Chrome and Opera had it for ages. So, things are getting together slowly...

How is AMD hardware a bitch in Windows 10? You just download the latest AMD driver for Windows 10, like you would with nVidia, and you're good until the next update, just like with nVidia. I don't see this 'AMD hardware is a bitch to use' thing you're talking about, and I have Windows 10 on three different computers with three different Radeon cards.

 

[AsRock]

I believe RajZoR is on about Amd's APU 450, as it's a bitch with mine too.

 

[RejZoR]

Exactly. I wanted to stay with older driver version FOR A REASON and Windows Update kept overriding it with the latest driver. No matter what switch I flipped, what setting I've disabled and what tweak I've used to shut down this moronic driver updating, minutes or hours later and screen would flash, because a video driver got updated. Every single fucking damn time. So yeah, that's why I hate it with AMD. NVIDIA however apparently stopped updating drivers on Windows Update because I haven't had any driver issues recently.

 

[Ahhzz]

So, from what I'm seeing, the only real way to stop Windows Fvckdate is to disable the Update service?

 

[rtwjunkie]

So, from what I'm seeing, the only real way to stop Windows Fvckdate is to disable the Update service?

Well on W10 you're never truly going to turn off...eventually it is going to update.

With 7 and 8.1 set to manual and you can select what gets updated, looking up descriptions of every update.

 

[Ahhzz]

Well on W10 you're never truly going to turn off...eventually it is going to update.
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really?? damn, I miss the original Zone Alarm... I could point it at ANY file (including itself), and it would lock that $&!* down.....

 

[Octopuss]

So, from what I'm seeing, the only real way to stop Windows Fvckdate is to disable the Update service?

I was pretty surprised - despite knowing the major changes to how updates work in the new version - not to find ANY settings related to updates in the control panel. Well, I actually couldn't find jack shit in the control panel... It's not even a control panel anymore. It's some mess of settings across several crappy looking screens. I couldn't even figure out how to uninstall programs. If this is what Windows has become, I'm sticking with Windows 7.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I was pretty surprised - despite knowing the major changes to how updates work in the new version - not to find ANY settings related to updates in the control panel. Well, I actually couldn't find jack shit in the control panel... It's not even a control panel anymore. It's some mess of settings across several crappy looking screens. I couldn't even figure out how to uninstall programs. If this is what Windows has become, I'm sticking with Windows 7.

There is a traditional control panel...just do the search function. I have mine pinned to the task bar now.

It has the Uninstall section like normal. Don't be surprised though, half the functions have been ripped out of Control Panel...they just aren't there anymore!

What's left in it does work like normal, though.

 

[AsRock]

really?? damn, I miss the original Zone Alarm... I could point it at ANY file (including itself), and it would lock that $&!* down.....

Maybe try Outpost Firewall, that can lock down what a can do and fully control were it connects to by port, address and others and is now windows 10 compatible since version 9.2, and if your license runs out the program is not disabled it just does not get any more updates.

You can all so control java cookies referrers and such too.

But be warned you can control a hell load with this firewall, so trail and error and learn it and take your time to learn what your doing with it as it's pretty dam powerful.

http://www.agnitum.com/outpost-security-suite.php

 

[Octopuss]

So the only way to access the traditional Control panel is through search? WTF?!

 

[rtwjunkie]

So the only way to access the traditional Control panel is through search? WTF?!

Based on it being semi-hidden and with half its guts ripped out, it's obvious MS didn't want people going there. But after search result comes up, just pin it to your taskbar and you have it.

 

[Deleted member 74752]

So the only way to access the traditional Control panel is through search? WTF?!

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

[rtwjunkie]

http://www.classicshell.net/

Or Start10 by Stardock, although that will cost you $4.99
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

 

[Ahhzz]

So the only way to access the traditional Control panel is through search? WTF?!

Based on it being semi-hidden and with half its guts ripped out, it's obvious MS didn't want people going there. But after search result comes up, just pin it to your taskbar and you have it.

I was pretty surprised - despite knowing the major changes to how updates work in the new version - not to find ANY settings related to updates in the control panel. Well, I actually couldn't find jack shit in the control panel... It's not even a control panel anymore. It's some mess of settings across several crappy looking screens. I couldn't even figure out how to uninstall programs. If this is what Windows has become, I'm sticking with Windows 7.

There is a traditional control panel...just do the search function. I have mine pinned to the task bar now.

It has the Uninstall section like normal. Don't be surprised though, half the functions have been ripped out of Control Panel...they just aren't there anymore!

What's left in it does work like normal, though.

On the SO's laptop, I just use Win-X, where I select "Settings", and that's the original Control Panel.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Settings took over alot of the former control panel functions, but the original control panel (stripped down) is still there.