Might as well put together another tower.

[thebluebumblebee]

Have you considered getting another case that doesn't have LED fans? The Fractal Design Define R5 is on sale right now for $90. That's one third the price of the Cosmos II. If you still want a full tower, you could consider the Fractal Design Define XL The side benefit with these cases is that you can build an almost silent computer.
I also don't think you need a 1200 watt PSU. A similar quality 850 will do.
(I don't understand why PCPartpicker won't show the estimated wattage for your build)

 

[Jborg]

Dont be lazy, and learn about Intel. Once you know the basics then decide. Dont make an ignorant buying decision, especially with a dead and socket that has no upgrade path so you might have to upgrade everything again if Zen is really good.

Many have already told him all the benefits of going with (Probably) a cheaper and faster Intel system. If not cheaper, it will be nearly the same exact price.

The matter of learning about Intel is really null.... I didn't know anything about Intel processors when I put my intel build together.... Its basically the same thing... instead of pins on the CPU, intel CPUs have contact pads.

All in all its his money to spend and he seems pretty set on an 8350 (or a 9590), which is a capable CPU. Just not one (being an owner) I would recommend at this time. An example I can think of right now is playing GTA V. My 8350 could do it, but I would get FPS dips down to 35-40 FPS almost regularly.

Now using my i5... my FPS almost never goes below 55, and mostly sits at a solid 59FPS

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Many have already told him all the benefits of going with (Probably) a cheaper and faster Intel system. If not cheaper, it will be nearly the same exact price.

The matter of learning about Intel is really null.... I didn't know anything about Intel processors when I put my intel build together.... Its basically the same thing... instead of pins on the CPU, intel CPUs have contact pads.

All in all its his money to spend and he seems pretty set on an 8350 (or a 9590), which is a capable CPU. Just not one (being an owner) I would recommend at this time. An example I can think of right now is playing GTA V. My 8350 could do it, but I would get FPS dips down to 35-40 FPS almost regularly.

Now using my i5... my FPS almost never goes below 55, and mostly sits at a solid 59FPS

I mean it can be a little bit confusing with all the different sockets/chipsets, what they are all designed for, all the different chip series (Pentium, i3, i5, i7, Xeon), difference between k and non-k chips. etc. I can see how it might be a little confusing for someone who has never even considered Intel before, but its all relatively simple things, one can get a grasp on within 30 minutes.

 

[Jborg]

I mean it can be a little bit confusing with all the different sockets/chipsets, what they are all designed for, all the different chip series (Pentium, i3, i5, i7, Xeon), difference between k and non-k chips. etc. I can see how it might be a little confusing for someone who has never even considered Intel before, but its all relatively simple things, one can get a grasp on within 30 minutes.

In that aspect I agree, it is confusing to choose the right combination of CPU/MOBO to fit your exact needs. In terms of assembly though, not to much difference.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

It says 749w give or take a few. I don't mind having a lot of overhead (especially if I want to add even more or something) and I figured an Ultra Tower would be ideal instead of the current mid-tower build. Instead of having 101w extra to play with as per your stated 850w, as mentioned I'll have a whopping 451w extra to utilize and for futureproofing with the 1200w. Yes I know PSUs only draw the power which is only needed but I'd rather not bottleneck anything. Also it's because I currently use a 750w PSU and I figure for this next one, might as well step-it-up to 1200w.
As ThE_MaD_ShOt already stated, I'll just snip the corresponding wire for the LED with the fans. Then either remove said LED wire completely or just cap it off.
I'm not even sure if I want to SLI or not just yet. I might even want to wait for the next line of nVidia cards to see if they 100% natively support HDMI 2.2 and HDCP whichever it is for UHD Blu-ray disc. Then there's waiting to buy a 4K ASUS 32" IPS monitor which supports the upcoming format which I haven't even considered yet since the pricepoints are still far too high.

Copy and Pasted from PCPartPicker

Note: Wattages are estimates only. Actual power draw may differ from listed values.
Component Estimated Wattage
AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor 27W - 220W
Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler 5W - 10W
Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard 17W - 70W
Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory 29W - 29W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive 2W - 10W
EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX 2.0 Video Card 36W - 145W
EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX 2.0 Video Card 36W - 145W
Total: 176W - 749W

If you drop to the FX-8350 (which is what I thought you were doing), that's a 95 watt savings. The other item that skews the total wattage are the HDD's. They may pull 20 watts each during startup, but after that they never pull 1/2 of that. That's a 60 watt skew. There's 155 watts to be subtracted from the 749 watt figure.
An 850 watt PSU will power SLI'd GTX 980 Ti's.
No one's ever wrong in choosing a PSU that's larger than needed. IMHO, it's just a waste of money.

 

[jboydgolfer]

that avatar is a suitable one OP, best of luck.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Thanks for the snide comment.

Hey.. i offered best of luck too( and i mean it too ), dont be a pessimist now.

 

[Norton]

EDIT: The 9370. I may just go for that one instead.

8350, 8370, and 9370 will all draw around the same power at the same clock- just go for whatever is the better value- no matter which chip you buy the power use and heat will start to climb rapidly after 4.4Ghz or so.

Note that like @ThE_MaD_ShOt and @xvi I also run an 8350 in my main rig and am 100% happy with the performance and intend to get an X79/X99 setup like theirs soon and will likely not use it as my main rig either

 

[cdawall]

8350, 8370, and 9370 will all draw around the same power at the same clock- just go for whatever is the better value- no matter which chip you buy the power use and heat will start to climb rapidly after 4.4Ghz or so.

Note that like @ThE_MaD_ShOt and @xvi I also run an 8350 in my main rig and am 100% happy with the performance and intend to get an X79/X99 setup like theirs soon and will likely not use it as my main rig either

I run a 9370 screw your poverty 8350's!

 

[Jborg]

LoL. Sorry I even spoke. I learned a really good lesson myself buying AMD over Intel at first.

Just passing that lesson on... seems you don't care at all though. Which is fine, I could care less if you buy a 4 year old architecture that draws 225+ watts at load that REQUIRES a water cooler. Have fun with a new heater.

And also, you must have not read my post. I OWN 4 AMD CPU's, that doesn't stop me from accepting reality and realizing Intel is better in every way.



Wont be back

 

[OneMoar]

the point was is that amd use more power,have a lower thermal threshold,offer less performance, and aren't really any cheaper then a competing intel platform once you factor in the need for a high end board and cooler
nobody is saying a AMD chip won't do the job but intel will do it better and in the long run cheaper if your machine spends a lot of time at load
and this is coming from a guy that owned nothing but amd systems for 5 years

 

[MxPhenom 216]

So I don't get it. What is wrong with this set up OP? You say you dont really plan to OC, well....

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI H170 Gaming M3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $327.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-24 15:37 EST-0500

 

[OneMoar]

So I don't get it. What is wrong with this set up OP? You say you dont really plan to OC, well....

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI H170 Gaming M3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $327.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-24 15:37 EST-0500

because he wants amd and thats fine if he wants to pay more for what he wants so be it

 

[MxPhenom 216]

because he wants amd and thats fine if he wants to pay more for what he wants so be it

Well heres an AMD build with a good cooler he will likely need, and it is more expensive. With a relatively cheaper board compared to other 990FX, cheaper memory same amount, and obviously the 8350 is cheaper then the i5. If he dropped the cooler to something else, itll come out to about the same cost as the intel build I proposed.

OP: I know its your money, and you are free to do what you want with it. But please consider the 2 builds in my last 2 posts and REALLY look at them with an open mind. Nevermind your lack of knowledge to Intel parts, that can be resolved rather quickly with help from us and the rest of the internet, and youtube videos on how to put one together.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI 990FXA-GAMING ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($42.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $376.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-24 15:47 EST-0500

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

I run a 9370 screw your poverty 8350's!

@cdawall And a post like this forced me to go back to my old Avatar LOL

 

[OneMoar]

only foal servants of gargamel use AMD

 

[PCGamerDR]

only foal servants of gargamel use AMD

I'm his right hand based on my current setup

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I've no idea when I'll be able to afford the majority of the parts. Just a pipe-dream, but I should be doing what I did with my current build. Getting the tower first and then gradually getting each part slowly to put in the case as I go.
Maybe I should get the 980ti Game Edition which has 6GB VRAM. No idea what I'll do with my 970 4GB FTW though if I do want to get the particular 980ti.

Why? What resolution do you game at? Might be an awful waste of money from overkill.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

4K. Why does it matter? Hell, I'd rather have a 4K projector. Vecause of movies too, not just games. It's why I want to buy another ASUS Blu-ray disc burner. Yes, I already own quite a lot of movies on the format. Streaming can GTFO.

Oh, 4k playback can be done on Intel's integrated GPU hah. Gaming, 980Ti will be better than the 970 for sure at 4k.

 

[qubit]

I've no idea when I'll be able to afford the majority of the parts. Just a pipe-dream, but I should be doing what I did with my current build. Getting the tower first and then gradually getting each part slowly to put in the case as I go.
Maybe I should get the 980ti Game Edition which has 6GB VRAM. No idea what I'll do with my 970 4GB FTW though if I do want to get the particular 980ti.

PC parts depreciate really rapidly, so doing it this way you'll end up with a bunch of outdated parts that you effectively paid over the odds for. Much better to just save the money and then buy all the latest parts at the best prices.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

PC parts depreciate really rapidly, so doing it this way you'll end up with a bunch of outdated parts that you effectively paid over the odds for. Much better to just save the money and then buy all the latest parts at the best prices.

Which doesn't include AMD CPUs right now.

 

[qubit]

Which doesn't include AMD CPUs right now.

What? When Zen comes out the current parts will be cheaper and Zen should perform significantly better. They'd get cheaper in time anyway and by the sound of it, our OP is going to take a long time get all the parts, making this even more likely.

Even your siggy supports my previous statement.

"You cannot build a computer to be future proof. It's impossible. Just buy the best you can afford at the point in time of planning and buying."

 

[xvi]

I'm really bad at doing the whole "I'll buy the next generation! It should be out soon!" thing, but if this build is going to take some time, might as well wait for Zen.
I had a roommate that bought his parts piece by piece so that he could "afford it". By the time he got the last thing and could finally boot it up, it was already out of date and prices had fallen considerably.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

What? When Zen comes out the current parts will be cheaper and Zen should perform significantly better. They'd get cheaper in time anyway and by the sound of it, our OP is going to take a long time get all the parts, making this even more likely.

Even your siggy supports my previous statement.

"You cannot build a computer to be future proof. It's impossible. Just buy the best you can afford at the point in time of planning and buying."

Key word is "when" Zen comes out in your statement. Thats sometime in the 2nd half of next year, which is not "right now."

 

[Vayra86]

It says 749w give or take a few. I don't mind having a lot of overhead (especially if I want to add even more or something) and I figured an Ultra Tower would be ideal instead of the current mid-tower build. Instead of having 101w extra to play with as per your stated 850w, as mentioned I'll have a whopping 451w extra to utilize and for futureproofing with the 1200w. Yes I know PSUs only draw the power which is only needed but I'd rather not bottleneck anything. Also it's because I currently use a 750w PSU and I figure for this next one, might as well step-it-up to 1200w.
As ThE_MaD_ShOt already stated, I'll just snip the corresponding wire for the LED with the fans. Then either remove said LED wire completely or just cap it off.
I'm not even sure if I want to SLI or not just yet. I might even want to wait for the next line of nVidia cards to see if they 100% natively support HDMI 2.2 and HDCP whichever it is for UHD Blu-ray disc. Then there's waiting to buy a 4K ASUS 32" IPS monitor which supports the upcoming format which I haven't even considered yet since the pricepoints are still far too high.

Copy and Pasted from PCPartPicker

Note: Wattages are estimates only. Actual power draw may differ from listed values.
Component Estimated Wattage
AMD FX-9590 4.7GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor 27W - 220W
Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler 5W - 10W
Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard 17W - 70W
Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory 29W - 29W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 4W - 20W
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive 2W - 10W
EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX 2.0 Video Card 36W - 145W
EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX 2.0 Video Card 36W - 145W
Total: 176W - 749W

Seriously.

I am going to really try to be polite here so don't take this the wrong way. You come to this website for advice on a good build for a specific number of uses, including gaming, and then you rule out the only real plausible and sensible advice people can give you and come up with information and build plans that date back all the way to 2012-2013. I would strongly suggest you reconsider your current state of mind regarding AMD systems and buying options, and broaden your view of the market. The ONE THING that AMD still excels at, GPU, is the thing in your system that you DID NOT GO AMD FOR. Do you see now how ridiculous this looks? If you really like AMD, buy their GPU's. Those are actually competitive in todays' market and for gaming itself and AMD is in a good position for the adoption of DX12 and their current offerings. The AMD CPU range is *not*. It is either too hungry, too hot and too expensive or it will be a bottleneck for your buying plans of a 980ti or 4K gaming. You say you don't like to OC, but when you go for an FX you are likely forcing yourself to do so if you want to avoid a bottleneck...

Come on bro. You cannot expect this line of reasoning to hold or make any sense at all on a tech site.

Another thing about 4K. If you want to go there but not 'yet', keep your 970 and current rig for now, (do *not* SLI the 970, under NO circumstance is this a good idea) wait for Zen to come out and see what happens when Pascal releases. The only alternative to that upgrade path is buying a 980ti today and have a sub-par gaming experience at the highest possible price point. All things considered, I would just wait it out for now and see what summer 2016 looks like for you. It will be a MUCH better time to upgrade because there are actual, competitive options and 4K has had some time to get footing, and at that time you will likely be able to make an actual, sensible choice going for an AMD rig again.

It's basically this:
4K now: Intel i7 Skylake or X99 + GTX 980ti
4K 2016: Wait and keep current system, see what Zen looks like

Let me be clear, any other path is going to cost you a lot of effort, money, and trouble avoiding bottlenecks and OC/heat issues. Also, about 'knowing AMD platform' and not knowing Intel, there isn't much to really know except picking the right socket with the right CPU. Especially if you don't intend to do an overclocking, it's plug and play. Hell, even overclocking is WAY easier on Intel.