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I agree it isn't the full picture but isn't that what research is all about?

Advising the OP to pursue other angles in his research is a far better approach than 'bashing' someone else's input...like I mentioned it's to AID OP's research.

Where can information regarding the points you've raised be found?

Reviews and some insight in the different kinds of NAND in the case of SSD's. Reviews, again, can also help to gain some understanding on what components are inside 'the box'. For storage and PSU specifically, this is pretty much essential info.

By the way the point was never to bash you, but I see these websites linked way too often in these threads, while they offer nothing more than anyone could find in the first 5 search results on google. To me it feels like an easy way out, and it is also a type of information that can really put a buyer on the wrong trail.
 
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Reviews, again, can also help to gain some understanding on what components are inside 'the box'

Information available on the link I provided.

To me it feels like an easy way out, and it is also a type of information that can really put a buyer on the wrong trail.

The reason why forums exist... collective information to be sifted. Suggesting that the information on the website is "useless" just seems a hasty reaction.

Durability, reliability etc require years of data collected which is quite difficult with consumer electronics as improvements in technology grow quite rapidly year on year.

Feel free to PM me as it seems to be turning into a debate. wouldn't want to bee seen hijacking the OP's thread..
 
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Which one do you favor? Thanks.

I'd take the MX200 every time. You'll get the same perceived performance for cheaper. The 850 Evo might benchmark a few MB/s faster, but you'll never notice that difference in real world use. So save the $25 and go with the MX200. Not to mention when the MX200 is running in MLC write mode, it has write speeds that are a lot faster than the 850 Evo.

But the fact of the matter is, at this point, all but the extreme cheapest of SATA SSDs will feel basically the same. There really is not going to be any noticeable benefit to buying one over the other. All the high end ones are bumping up against the limits of what SATA is capable of. This is why we are seeing M.2 drives take over.

you clearly haven't run the test yet

I have, it is laughable to even call that benchmark a storage benchmark. No test that finishes in less than 2 minutes, tests CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, HDD, and USB, is going to be accurate. The numbers on that site are not good numbers. The test does not do a good job of testing storage. That page, and the test, should be avoided. It doesn't give accurate information.(Oh, and it is so bad, it thinks my 2TB Seagate Hard Drive is an SSD...)
 
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Samsung EVO is a budget line NAND with a host of tricks to make it behave well. Samsung makes good SSD's but the nonpro EVO line is very much budget and in that segment the Crucials are simply better. Never mind speed, they all 'feel' exactly the same and they all saturate the bus so who cares about a few MB/s here or there, but reliability of the Crucial MX's is way better as they sport powersafe caps while the Samsungs do not.

I'll repeat that. Stay away from EVO for an OS or essential data disk. Samsung is cashing in on their great reputation, a rep they built with much more expensive NAND in the 830 and 840. It doesn't apply to EVO and this has been proven in several tests and reviews. I speak from personal experience as well as a multitude of reviews, I have had all of these SSD's and the Samsung 830 is still going strong as the OS-SSD, alongside a BX100 which is my non-essential (gaming) SSD. Note that MX is a (small) step up from the BX line from Crucial. I have also returned an EVO because it acted funny when I filled it up, including BSODs.

Costs about the same but..
Samsung 850 Evo 500GB warranty 5 years: https://azerty.nl/8-1990-794626/samsung-850-evo-series.html
Crucial MX200 500GB warranty just 3 years: https://azerty.nl/8-1990-799208/crucial-mx200-500-gb.html

I'd take an 850 Evo with 5 years warranty anytime!
 
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Oh, and it is so bad, it thinks my 2TB Seagate Hard Drive is an SSD...

you forgot to mention it's a Seagate Hybrid (SSHD)...talk about tailoring words to suit your needs...kmt!
 
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Costs about the same but..
Samsung 850 Evo 500GB warranty 5 years: https://azerty.nl/8-1990-794626/samsung-850-evo-series.html
Crucial MX200 500GB warranty just 3 years: https://azerty.nl/8-1990-799208/crucial-mx200-500-gb.html

I'd take an 850 Evo with 5 years warranty anytime!

The 'Crucial' difference here is the presence of powersafe caps. I'd take an SSD that has them over one that does not, any day of the week, because regardless of warranty in case of power failure the Samsung SSD will suffer heavily while the Crucial will not. And if an SSD fails, it will fail early, the endurance tests that have been done (see link) show that ALL SSD's easily meet the specced service time.

Again, I say look beyond the marketing slides and benchmark numbers. Storage is all about reliability and endurance.
 
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According to pcworld, there is no such mention on Crucials website.

There is no mention of one in the paperwork for them.
 
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I just took 950Pro... I don't want to touch Sata3 devices anymore.
I picked one up as well. I couldn't help but giggle maniacally while I benchmarked it. :D
 

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you forgot to mention it's a Seagate Hybrid (SSHD)...talk about tailoring words to suit your needs...kmt!

Doesn't matter, it is still a mechanical hard drive not a flash based SSD. It doesn't treat hard drives and SSDs as RAM, even though they all have a certain amount of RAM cache on them, does it?(Though I wouldn't put it past that shitty program.)
 
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Hello, guys. I decided to buy an SSD for the first time ever, but i dunno which one i should get...

Crucial MX200 500GB,
Kingston HyperX Savage 480GB
or Samsung 850 EVO 500GB?

the Crucial one is cheaper 200L.E (25$).
Kingston and Samsung the same price.

Which one do you favor? Thanks.

-Side question: How many SSDs i can assemble to my PC?

Either Samsung or Crucial are just as good, but I prefer Samsung and would recommend that instead.
Main reason against Kingston would be the capacity as it is inferior and would prefer that sort of storage measure to be phased out entirely.

My preference for Samsung is general reliability, performance and price is good.

Amount of SSDs depend on the maximum available ports for your motherboard, but would recommend using the core chipset SATA 3 ports (either normal ones or ones which could be a part of the SATA Express ports, probably better to sticking to SATA 3 ports from the SATA Express ports) for Raid 0 with your SSDs and not include SSDs running from a non-core or secondary chipset(s) for maximum performance.
 

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These websites never tell the whole story. Specifically for SSD's, what really matters is not a few MB/s more or less in speed, but above all, reliability. Do you see ANY measure of this anywhere on this site? Do you see ANY information on SSD behaviour when the drive is nearly full? Do you see anything regarding lifespan, durability tests etc.? Anyone can make a nice layout and put some spreadsheet and bench data into it, but that is not at all helpful on a purchase. All recent SSD's are fast and almost all of them have decent controllers.

The end result of buying based on the info on these websites is that you only buy that which presents the highest bench number, which is far too limited in every possible way. Bottom line, if you want a solid and well informed purchase, read some reviews.


Well my Sammy 850 EVO is always near full and never had a problem yet.

In fact it's been running that well over the passed year i have been thinking of picking up another, i don't mind paying a extra 10-25$ for 5 year warranty unlike the MX200 they only back their drive for 3 years.

So again 850 all the way.
 
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Hah, Samsung Evo survived 2.1PB of writes. That's shitton. Way to go V-NAND. I personally don't care about how it died suddenly. There is a reason why I use SSD for only OS. I expect it to die one day and replace it swiftly.

Actually, that's a 840 Pro, and it's neither VNAND nor an EVO (EVO's use TLC).

I'm really curious how 3d NAND would perform, but that test is from Samsung PLANAR NAND. Incredible.
 
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The 'Crucial' difference here is the presence of powersafe caps. I'd take an SSD that has them over one that does not, any day of the week, because regardless of warranty in case of power failure the Samsung SSD will suffer heavily while the Crucial will not. And if an SSD fails, it will fail early, the endurance tests that have been done (see link) show that ALL SSD's easily meet the specced service time.

Again, I say look beyond the marketing slides and benchmark numbers. Storage is all about reliability and endurance.
Except you're wrong in that no consumer drive, especially Crucial since they market it as such, has full data loss protection not even the Intel 730. They only provide "data at rest" protection, the last consumer drive which did was the Intel 320 o_O

So bottom line is that 850 EVO has better performance, longer warranty & greater endurance, my vote goes to 3d NAND drive.
 
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So bottom line is that 850 EVO has better performance, longer warranty & greater endurance, my vote goes to 3d NAND drive.

Similar performance, warranty is nice but really a minor thing, endurance is probably similar between both (150TB for the Sammy, 160TB for Crucial are the "rated" specs. TLC VNAND probably has similar but a bit lower endurance than MLC NAND, so if anything, the crucial might have better endurance.

looks like MX200 is about 1800 LE, so 200 more is over 10% more for a drive that is almost identical. Paying more for 2 years warranty on a drive that is supposed to handle 150+TB (and most likely way more than that), is going to bring you further than 5 years anyways. The Samsung drive is very nice, but paying extra is mostly just for the brand
 
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Except you're wrong in that no consumer drive, especially Crucial since they market it as such, has full data loss protection not even the Intel 730. They only provide "data at rest" protection, the last consumer drive which did was the Intel 320 o_O

So bottom line is that 850 EVO has better performance, longer warranty & greater endurance, my vote goes to 3d NAND drive.
According the TPU's own test the crucial is actually faster, and i highly doubt that a TLC driver is more durable then an MLC, the only thing the samsung drive has going for it is the warranty.
 
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Similar performance, warranty is nice but really a minor thing, endurance is probably similar between both (150TB for the Sammy, 160TB for Crucial are the "rated" specs. TLC VNAND probably has similar but a bit lower endurance than MLC NAND, so if anything, the crucial might have better endurance.

looks like MX200 is about 1800 LE, so 200 more is over 10% more for a drive that is almost identical. Paying more for 2 years warranty on a drive that is supposed to handle 150+TB (and most likely way more than that), is going to bring you further than 5 years anyways. The Samsung drive is very nice, but paying extra is mostly just for the brand

Actually , i'm willing to bet that 16nm MLC has worse endurance than 3D TLC from samsung.
 

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I am still waiting for my original 32GB SSD's to fail from use or even degrade for that matter.
 
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System Name RadActive Dragon & Black Dragon
Processor i7 5960X & 1090T
Motherboard Gigabyte X99-UD3P & Asus Sabertooth 990FX
Cooling EK EVO & Corsair H50
Memory GSkill TridentZ 32GBs 3200MHz & Vegeance 8GBs 1600MHz
Video Card(s) 2x 980Ti & 960 FTW
Storage Samsung Pro 256GB & Intel 120GB
Case Heavy modded Haf X & NZXT Apollo
Power Supply AX1200 & AX1200i
Software Windows 7 & Ubuntu 15.04
I say either the crucial or samsung. Darn things will probably out live their warranty.

I have the old Crucial m4 512GB trucking, original used for the OS, but got a 940 Pro now for OS. I can't really tell the difference with daily stuff. Only when I start hitting them hard with huge files like RAWs and 3D renders do you start to see where the speed comes in handy.
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
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Location
Houston
System Name All the cores
Processor 2990WX
Motherboard Asrock X399M
Cooling CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL
Memory 4x16GB G.Skill 3600
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's
Storage 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz
Case Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller
Keyboard Keychron K8
Software W10P
Has anyone on here actually had an SSD fail from data writes? My supertalent 32GB's were used in every wrong way possible. Raid 0 which disabled trim, windows 7 with no adjustments to the OS, constant full reinstalls done via backup drive clone (benchmarking rig) etc. Drives have been running since 2009 pretty much non-stop and are still in use today.
 
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