Games Under-Performing, Unknown Culprit, Proves to be a Challenge

[Bo$$]

Also from your last screenshot timings of CAS31 are going to be causing this problem


And yes you can play league quite well on an old computer... it seems you are the one who is trolling

 

[TwinDenis]

And yes you can play league quite well on an old computer... it seems you are the one who is trolling

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I don't think so. Not in a long shot.

Also from your last screenshot timings of CAS31 are going to be causing this problem

Clocks are set to cas9:

I do not see something being wrong there, neither it was answered.

 

[Bo$$]

Referring to this actually.. but it is likely a software bug

Additionally you'll need to run mem test for atleast a few hours, some sticks wont fail after one pass

 

[TwinDenis]

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Referring to this actually.. but it is likely a software bug

Additionally you'll need to run mem test for atleast a few hours, some sticks wont fail after one pass

Its no use, one of my rams got broken just now, so I need to buy a new one anyway, dont know if its because I pulled it out or because it was faulty but anyway.
The fact is I need new ram, should I buy this?
G.Skill TridentX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3-1600MHz Dual Kit (103$)

 

[P4-630]

Its no use, one of my rams got broken just now, so I need to buy a new one anyway, dont know if its because I pulled it out or because it was faulty but anyway.
The fact is I need new ram, should I buy this?
G.Skill TridentX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3-1600MHz Dual Kit (103$)

Let's hope that a new memory kit will solve your problems finally then

 

[TwinDenis]

Let's hope that a new memory kit will solve your problems finally then

yes Lets hope,
is this memory model good for me? (2 modules instead of 4, each 8gb with cas:7)
Can you check?

Here is the link to the manufacturer's webpage for the product line:
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-2400c10d-16gtx
Here is the Product:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009V50T7O/?tag=tec06d-20

 

[Kursah]

Let's hope that a new memory kit will solve your problems finally then

If it doesn't, he's a mainboard and PSU away from a new system!

G.Skill is my go-to memory brand still in many cases, but most of the well-known vendors have good quality DDR3, so if you can find a better price on similar rated RAM odds are you'll be fine. You might check to see if your system has a RAM QVL list but otherwise you should be fine I would imagine. Ya give us the link please.

 

[Bo$$]

G.Skill TridentX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3-1600MHz Dual Kit (103$)

Check with dell. they should have a list on their website, otherwise check what spec crucial match for that system

 

[P4-630]

yes
is this memory model good for me? (2 modules instead of 4, each 8gb with cas:7)
Can you check?

I will upload a link to the product shortly in this post...

Pick memory that's preferably on the QVL list of the motherboard manufacturer.

 

[TwinDenis]

Check with dell. they should have a list on their website, otherwise check what spec crucial match for that system

Pick memory that's preferably on the QVL list of the motherboard manufacturer.

Dell says they do not have a compatibility list, unfortunately, I even phoned them for this reason.
And on the other side I am not tech expert for hardware and such, so it is hard to judge.
It is ddr3 though and 1600mhz which is supported by the cpu I think.

If it doesn't, he's a mainboard and PSU away from a new system!

G.Skill is my go-to memory brand still in many cases, but most of the well-known vendors have good quality DDR3, so if you can find a better price on similar rated RAM odds are you'll be fine. You might check to see if your system has a RAM QVL list but otherwise you should be fine I would imagine. Ya give us the link please.

Here is the link to the manufacturer's webpage for the product line:
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-2400c10d-16gtx
Here is the Product:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009V50T7O/?tag=tec06d-20

 

[Bo$$]

Dell says they do not have a compatibility list, unfortunately, I even phoned them for this reason.

i dont know if you've managed to acertain if the board will work without ECC ram?

otherwise it looks fairly standard and you shouldn't have any issues

 

[TwinDenis]

i dont know if you've managed to acertain if the board will work without ECC ram?

otherwise it looks fairly standard and you shouldn't have any issues

It is non-ECC, but does it matter?
I can do 3D even on an semi-old laptop but gaming is more demanding, in 3D you mostly require skill, I have seen people do well in decent laptops and cheap modern rigs.
In school we had laptops and were working on old PCs (actually, too old Dell ones) but yeah... we could manage. Now if it is zBrush ( My thing ) it will require some more tech muscles to do good, but still does and I think more memory and faster memory will actually boost its performance. I remember one time I had my ram full because of a simple project on after effects... oh man... the lags... But anyway.
...

 

[Bo$$]

It is non-ECC, but does it matter?

Since it is a workstation it MAY require ECC ram, thats why people suggested looking at the QVL list..

Crucial also suggests ECC ram... http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/precision-workstation-t3600/CT3287876

edit: http://www.in.tum.de/fileadmin/user...ter/Dell/Workstation/Dell-Precision-T3600.pdf

says it takes both.... looks like that will work

 

[TwinDenis]

Since it is a workstation it MAY require ECC ram, thats why people suggested looking at the QVL list..

Crucial also suggests ECC ram... http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/precision-workstation-t3600/CT3287876

edit: http://www.in.tum.de/fileadmin/user...ter/Dell/Workstation/Dell-Precision-T3600.pdf

says it takes both.... looks like that will work

In other words, will the g.skill I ordered do?
What I saw and made the purchase was that:
"• Up to 64GB4 of quad-channel ECC or non-ECC memory"
Besides that question, one more is a concern too,
is it okay to run it at 2 channels instead of 4 channels?
So this means 2x8gb instead of 4x4gb.
The CAS latency is 7 as well.
At max of 1600mhz which is the limit from the sheet.

 

[Azumay]

Dell MBs are picky with ram. Awful pricey ram for 1600mhz ram.
You don't need 2400mhz ram or such tight timing.

 

[TwinDenis]

Dell MBs are picky with ram. Awful pricey ram for 1600mhz ram.
You don't need 2400mhz ram or such tight timing.

Just Ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009V50T7O/?tag=tec06d-20
Do not know what you are talking about, picky or not it is specific to what it is and this MB needs to use it. It is better than mine thats for sure. I will use 2 channels for the 8gb each module to work as someone above suggested.

 

[Azumay]

Funny. LoL

Do not know what you are talking about

From a guy that orders a workstation for gaming and has had problems gaming for 2 yrs from it.

Dell's MB, components, bios, and software are built Dells way not to your own specs.
Maybe you will get lucky with memory you ordered, and hopefully it will fix all your issues.

 

[Bo$$]

is it okay to run it at 2 channels instead of 4 channels?

Yes, they will run dual channel mode.

and yes, those G.skill SHOULD work, although without a QVL list nothing is certain

 

[TwinDenis]

Funny. LoL


From a guy that orders a workstation for gaming and has had problems gaming for 2 yrs from it.

Dell's MB, components, bios, and software are built Dells way not to your own specs.
Maybe you will get lucky with memory you ordered, and hopefully it will fix all your issues.

From a guy who, again, got recommended for this as an investment for good Home and little 3D Modeling out of Hobby work, yes.
That is what I got back then and have to appreciate it, because if I dont it is like telling that you are unsatisfied with the goods you have, instead you could not have anything yet you got a good pc for home. So thats what I see in all this.
I have to appreciate what I have and if there is indeed something wrong I have to fix it.
Thats not to say I should not play league of legends or similar games, even on lowest? When effects pop up I usually stutter in this game.

Yes, they will run dual channel mode.

and yes, those G.skill SHOULD work, although without a QVL list nothing is certain

Great.
Stutter happens when some vfx (particle effect or smoke or handpainted fire) pops up usually, or when someone enters the screen (this one depends on vsync but still happens when it is off, it is just less than with vsync).
If ram is not the fix then either internet/connection or something unnoticed is.
For ISP service it is one of the best right here, and reliable. It is both cheap in price as a bundle and efficient. I talked to them actually, they said it is not related to the connection as of pc-isp-server. They pinged for me as well as I pinged to the servers and there was no issue or packet-loss. So you get the idea.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Pick memory that's preferably on the QVL list of the motherboard manufacturer.

OR
Use one of the RAM manufacture's adviser tools to select RAM. http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for/Dell/precision-workstation-t3600

Just Ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009V50T7O/?tag=tec06d-20

I don't know if that will or won't work, but my instinct is to use "mainstream" RAM, not such high performance RAM. I agree with @Bo$$ last said though.

After seeing Passmark crash on your system, I'd suggest pulling out one RAM module at a time and running Passmark to see if you can get it to work. If you can get it to work, then you need to see if it's that RAM module or the slot.

 

[TwinDenis]

OR
Use one of the RAM manufacture's adviser tools to select RAM. http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for/Dell/precision-workstation-t3600

I don't know if that will or won't work, but my instinct is to use "mainstream" RAM, not such high performance RAM. I agree with @Bo$$ last said though.

After seeing Passmark crash on your system, I'd suggest pulling out one RAM module at a time and running Passmark to see if you can get it to work. If you can get it to work, then you need to see if it's that RAM module or the slot.

as said above, one of them were destroyed or faulty, so I ordered this pack I posted above to have more ram because it is necessary for me to have at least 8gb of ram, so I got 2 modules of 8gb each. This should do.

As someone from another least populated forum said, I have to troubleshoot this further even while waiting for the ram to arrive.
It is because this could as well be something else.
Not sure of course, I did get hard pagefaults many times which means I had to purchase ram modules sooner or later.
If this kit will do that I ordered then perfect.
I would upgrade ram sooner or later, and I did not expect to be tied by Dell and their products ever.

Will this ram do for my system?
The g.skill one.

 

[Bo$$]

Will this ram do for my system?
The g.skill one.

I would recommend the crucial one I posted above or the one @thebluebumblebee posted

However, there is nothing to suggest the G.Skill sticks will not work, other than dells compatibility...

 

[TwinDenis]

I would recommend the crucial one I posted above or the one @thebluebumblebee posted

However, there is nothing to suggest the G.Skill sticks will not work, other than dells compatibility...

Okay wait, I get mixed suggestions here,
I cannot find those dell sticks you recommended in locals, plus they have way more latency.
What should I do.

 

[Aquinus]

PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA tends to be indicative of either memory instability or an unstable driver. I have a very strange feeling that this could be storage driver related.

Could you show us what's in the device manager under the "ATAPI", "Hard drives", and "Storage controller" sections? I'm thinking that a dell storage driver might be out of date causing issues when a lot of I/O occurs such as PassMark trying out file system/disk performance. It should look something like this:

Also, knowing where the SATA cables for the SSD and any hard drive in the machine are connected to would be helpful so we make sure the right drivers are up to date. It wouldn't be the first time I would have seen something like generic SATA or AHCI driver cause issues.

 

[TwinDenis]

PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA tends to be indicative of either memory instability or an unstable driver. I have a very strange feeling that this could be storage driver related.

Could you show us what's in the device manager under the "ATAPI", "Hard drives", and "Storage controller" sections? I'm thinking that a dell storage driver might be out of date causing issues when a lot of I/O occurs such as PassMark trying out file system/disk performance. It should look something like this:
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Also, knowing where the SATA cables for the SSD and any hard drive in the machine would be helpful so we make sure the right driver is up to date. It wouldn't be the first time I would have seen something like generic SATA drivers cause issues.

Yes of course, I attached it, hope you can see it.
by the way, do you know if the ram I chose is compatible with my hardware? (I saw the sheet and ordered it, it will arrive next week) I did because one of the sticks broke, I couldn't start the system with it alone plugged, but even with the rest of them only, I get pagefaults in nonpaged area as well. Well it was time for ram upgrade anyway I guess.