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I hope the situation will change once Intel releases new microarchitecture. Wasn't it only with Skylake that chipsets got NVMe support?
is it in the chipset? I thought that was on the drive...

Anyway, nvme based drives work on x99... I hAve a 950 pro on x99. :)
 
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is it in the chipset? I thought that was on the drive...

Anyway, nvme based drives work on x99... I hAve a 950 pro on x99. :)
Well the motherboard has to support such drive somehow, doesn't it? Thus I assume there has to be a chip somewhere.
 

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Well the motherboard has to support such drive somehow, doesn't it? Thus I assume there has to be a chip somewhere.
Not for PCI-E based M.2 cards. They connect directly to PCI-E lanes. It's the SATA-based M.2 cards that need a SATA controller like the one in your PCH. You can't run the SATA-based ones on slots directly wired to the CPU since it's strictly PCI-E. So it depends on how the motherboard is wired up.
 
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i suspect Samsung and intel are refraining to launch any more NVMe on the M.2 interface for that reason ... M.2 is already dead
they have only been out for a couple of months... you expect to see more already?
 

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I hope the situation will change once Intel releases new microarchitecture. Wasn't it only with Skylake that chipsets got NVMe support?
I think it is X79 and newer. Not sure on the AMD front. Also, supports has to be coded into the motherboard BIOS--it's not just a chipset feature so not all X79 boards support it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2
WikiPedia said:
Computer bus interfaces provided through the M.2 connector are PCI Express 3.0 (up to four lanes), Serial ATA 3.0, and USB 3.0 (a single logical port for each of the latter two). It is up to the manufacturer of the M.2 host or device to select which interfaces are to be supported, depending on the desired level of host support and device type.
NVMe would therefore only work on M.2 connectors with PCI Express 3.0 support (which isn't all of them). NVMe is all about cutting out the middleman which increases latency. It needs direct access to the PCI Express bus.

At the same time, PCI Express doesn't imply NVMe. It could be communicating via the Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI).

I believe U.2 (SFF-8639) is always NVMe capable because the U.2 specification requires PCI Express 3.0 connectivity. U.2 is deliberately not backwards compatible with anything...at least not without adapters:
 
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It just needs a bios module. You can put it in and it should work in any AMI bios. I tried from Supermicro X79 and ASUS Z97 module, everything is fine and my 950th is bootable from PCIE expanson card without the module you cannot boot from it. It will work in windows thou.

Basically any chipset from up from 6th series can support the NVME drives.

http://www.win-raid.com/t871f16-Gui...for-Intel-Chipset-systems-from-Series-up.html
 
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they have only been out for a couple of months... you expect to see more already?
Specifically i don't expect to see more of them ... neither now nor later ...

since in the interval they jumped from Sata express (none to be seen except the "demo" from the start ) M.2 well we have M.2 SATA and PCIeX since more than some month but still not a lot of them, M.2 NVMe/AHCI well logically not a lot of them tho they are moving to U.2 interface it seems ... so i don't expect to see more of them on M.2 indeed.

A little to bad since i have 2 M.2 slot on my board, one that cripple the SATA layout if used (in X2 X4 and sata mode no difference ) and the other that is more interesting ... it use the bandwidth of the physical X16, X4 wired at the bottom (that no one use most of the time )

i guess i will check on the 950 pricing a little more regularly ... i guess a 128/256gb would not hurt to replace my OCZ Vertex III as OS drive (and recycle the Vertex and Blaze i use as game drive for some)

(and every one of those new interfaces promised wonders and universal adoption ... and ... nope not even remotely true ... tho for the NVMe i give it more time ... but if they only releasy PCIeX card ... then nope )
 

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I think the reason for limited selection right now is because it's hit or miss with motherboard support. Enterprise buyers know to verify motherboard support with NVMe and they're also aware of the benefits. The technology is just too new to have mass market proliferation yet. LCD screens and SSDs had the same enterprise -> consumer trickledown. In time, NVMe will become the norm because SATA just doesn't have the bandwidth for the fastest SSDs out there.

It's kind of like the 32-bit wall come to think of it. When developers limited themselves to 32-bit, they knew that virtually all computers would support their software and they also know what memory constraints they have to program for. Going from SATA to NVMe (PCI Express based) the wall comes crashing down but you limit the number of buyers. Over time, the wall matters less and less. We're in that transition period now.

I think SATA 3.2 (16 Gb/s) will catch on before NVMe does in the consumer space. I think NVMe will remain in the enterprise segment for quite a while yet because of the lack of backwards compatibility and the cost of stupidly fast NVMe chips.


I think the NVMe card I recommended to a client recently was 1400 MB/s and 1.2 TB of storage. Only NVMe can do that.


Yeah, ASRock added support for my Z77 mobo although i am totally not interested and better of just buying more SSD's.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77 Extreme4/index.us.asp?cat=Beta
 
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Specifically i don't expect to see more of them ... neither now nor later ...

since in the interval they jumped from Sata express (none to be seen except the "demo" from the start ) M.2 well we have M.2 SATA and PCIeX since more than some month but still not a lot of them, M.2 NVMe/AHCI well logically not a lot of them tho they are moving to U.2 interface it seems ... so i don't expect to see more of them on M.2 indeed.

A little to bad since i have 2 M.2 slot on my board, one that cripple the SATA layout if used (in X2 X4 and sata mode no difference ) and the other that is more interesting ... it use the bandwidth of the physical X16, X4 wired at the bottom (that no one use most of the time )

i guess i will check on the 950 pricing a little more regularly ... i guess a 128/256gb would not hurt to replace my OCZ Vertex III as OS drive (and recycle the Vertex and Blaze i use as game drive for some)

(and every one of those new interfaces promised wonders and universal adoption ... and ... nope not even remotely true ... tho for the NVMe i give it more time ... but if they only releasy PCIeX card ... then nope )
U.2 you think? I don't... not at all. Look how few boards have one on them... even Z170 its quite a rare bird. Though Z170 and X99 and Z97 are loaded with M.2 NVMe based slots....

That said, you will see more M.2 PCIe NVMe devices from OCZ, Kingston, and Patriot... I know as I met with them at CES. I also believe Mushkin is coming out with one. So, there absolutely will be more. M.2 will not die the quick death you believe it will. The PCIe cards are there for compatability reasons so boards without M.2 PCIe NVMe drives are able to reach their potential... you have it backwards I am afraid.
 
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M.2 will not die the quick death you believe it will.

Yes, too many ultrabooks have only this type of slot... so it will live for sure.
 
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I didn't even think of that small form factor market... good call!
 

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The answer to the OP is simple. We don't see a lot because there isn't a lot of demand. Same reason we see no SATA-Express drives, no demand. And right now, NVMe doesn't really provide any tangible real world benefits for non-enterprise users.

Not for PCI-E based M.2 cards. They connect directly to PCI-E lanes. It's the SATA-based M.2 cards that need a SATA controller like the one in your PCH. You can't run the SATA-based ones on slots directly wired to the CPU since it's strictly PCI-E. So it depends on how the motherboard is wired up.

PCI-E based drives will work on any computer with PCI-E slots(regular or M.2). However, to boot from the drive the BIOS has to support it. And even if the chipset technically supports NVMe drives, that doesn't guarantee that the motherboard manufacturer put the ability to boot from those types of drives in the BIOS.
 
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NVMe doesn't really provide any tangible real world benefits for non-enterprise users.
Well, at least not enough to justify their cost to most users...

My boot times improved over a Vector 180 (I boot to a fully functional desktop in ~15s). Game load times are improved as well. That doesn't matter much in multiplayer as you have to sit and wait, but, the improvements are there on that front. Also, just being in the desktop and loading basic things.. Word/Excel and other applications, its more snappy. I cannot quantify for you sadly, though I did 'butt dyno' testing with the same exact image and both my wife and I could notice a difference on the desktop for a lot of every day uses. Now, was it worth the $300 for the 512GB over my Vertex 180 256GB? Perhaps not...but I needed more space and WANTED the speed. But with more in the market, pricing will go down.

As I said earlier, this, to me, is no different than the HDD to SSD days... it took a while for market saturation. The 950 Pro the first 'consumer' drive came out 10/22/2015. Here we are 3.5 months later and people are calling it dead... :confused:
 
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I didn't even know there was a new SATA standard. Guess they failed to implement it.
 
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I didn't even know there was a new SATA standard. Guess they failed to implement it.
Standards are defined WELL before they are introduced to the public. ;)

SATA Express and M.2 SATA, I believe, is a part of the 3.2 Spec. The 3.1 and 3.2 jump were minor additions to the SATA3 major specification... since most do not know those were part of the 3.1/3.2, its just called SATA3 by most people.
 

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I just want SATA4 already.
 
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The 3.2 changes seem to be pretty major. But seeing as it's from 2013 and the industry apparently never gave a shit, I guess it's a fail :p
 

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The 3.2 changes seem to be pretty major. But seeing as it's from 2013 and the industry apparently never gave a shit, I guess it's a fail :p

Minus the sheer number of boards that support SATAe you mean? My current board has it as well as hundreds of others. So what's the fail?
 
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Minus the sheer number of boards that support SATAe you mean? My current board has it as well as hundreds of others. So what's the fail?
No products at all, apparently zero press coverage, and most people not even knowing it exists. That qualifies as a fail to me. NVMe at least got presented as something awesome and revolutionary, which is a good start.
 
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I really should start reading news sites in other times than when itching for an upgrade then :p
 

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oh well ... indeed for ultrabook yep i concur, tho for desktop more brand does a M.2 to U.2 card adapter and i did read somewhere that U.2 will be implemented as stand alone connector along SATA3 on later board (tho that might be totally wrong since i can't find back where i did read that )

i talk about that:
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Im assuming you are responding to me a dozen posts above Greiver? (you should quote who you are talking to, LOL!).

tho for desktop more brand does a M.2 to U.2 card adapter and i did read somewhere that U.2 will be implemented as stand alone connector along SATA3 on later board
I haven't seen many of those adapters on Z170 boards I reviewed honestly. it is there, and it wouldn't surprise me that another generation of boards will add it (a rare couple already have it native), but, that isn't the case right now. Its M.2 that is leading the way for the moment it seems.
 
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No products at all, apparently zero press coverage, and most people not even knowing it exists. That qualifies as a fail to me. NVMe at least got presented as something awesome and revolutionary, which is a good start.
Yes, it's a fail - for all the above reasons, and for the fact that it's not fast enough to feel like an upgrade. SATA Express is limited to a "theoretical" 2 GB/s (much slower in real world), because it can only use 2 lanes of PCIe or 2 SATA3 ports. The same reason my Plextor M6e M.2 PCIe 2.0 x 2 drive was a total disappointment ( it felt slower than my 850 Pro)
(random 4k IOPS is worse), and added 10 seconds to boot time. At least the 950 Pro uses 4 lanes and has the low overhead and latency of NVMe.
 
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