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Since you want to build this for hardcore gaming, I suggest you focus on the best MB you can, one made for OC'ing. When (not should) you decide to try OC'ing you will want some room to play around with, meaning you will need to keep the inside of the case cool as possible, and using Air Cooling just wont cut it. You video cared will create a lot of heat too. The biggest advantage AIO water cooling has is that it moves your biggest source of heat (CPU) outside of the case. That is a good thing. Air cooling cant do that.

Using an AIO will give you room to orchestrate the case fans to move more GPU heat around and out of the case too.
 
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Well I am just not that much into monitors yet tbh. As for the water cool I m up for suggestions, I have already posted the link with the parts so if you have the time feel free to play with it!
 
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Well I am just not that much into monitors yet tbh. As for the water cool I m up for suggestions, I have already posted the link with the parts so if you have the time feel free to play with it!

Decide on a case and then do your research to find out what will fit in it. Some sellers will not always list that kind of feature, but you can almost always guarantee the manufacture will. The NZXT case looks good to go for water cooling. NZXT even makes this AIO that should fit perfectly fine.

(used newegg in USA just for reference)
 
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Ignore everyone telling you to OC... any decent processor and graphics card will run games fine without an OC. The only advantage overclockers see nowadays are in the 1-5 fps range on a good day with no wind and the moon a certain distance away (aka it's not worth it unless you enjoy doing it).
 

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Well to start with I didn't intend to OC anyways. I was mostly worried about which card I should use and if something was wrong with the build :p
 

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Well sure! Just don't change the case :p I have both midi and full tower options so I can change on which you 'd tell me to. Thanks a lot for the fast replies btw!
i love that case lad, but it was not available in my country, then decided to get Commander G42 window, no regrets, plenty space, and also excellent design i love it lad!

Replaced in the older list:
Better Cooling, AIO water cooler that sure fits all your future needs and also fully compatible with your loved case,
Better video card, will make your rig ultra capable of running whatever you want on full HD [1080 res ]
Better and more ram memory! for all your future tasks,
Bigger HDD, mooooar space, better quality,
Better Power supply! stay chill, nothing beats seasonic lad!
Most important, better processor, with all the saved money you could reach an i7! for the win!

Here is your list!


Hoping it fits all your needs lad! i did like if were for me lad!
 

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I don't mean to be rude but all I can see compared to this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/H2Mf3C is, 1. The K version of i7 and the z170 MB which both are for OC 2. WC + extra fans 3. Less SSD space 4. 100 more PSU power 5. Lower MHZ ram and finally 5. 980 instead of 980Ti , so it's pretty much mostly configured for OC (Which should explain the extra cooling) but degraded GPU wise. Please forgive me if I m wrong and as I said I don't mean to be rude in any way.
 

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Benchmark Scores well I've fried a 775' P4 12 years ago, that counts?
don’t be silly, I understand that you just want to build your rig according your needs, but there is nothing wrong having the rig ready for OC even when you don’t plan to OC it, "K" processors have the option to raise their clocks pretty easy also they come stock with a little bit higher clocks, all the compatibility in this build that I'm recommending ensures that you will achieve the maximum performance ff all the parts together and also if you will want in the future you will OC it a little bit, it's something that most advanced computer users will don at least once on their life's so don’t worry about it,

so let us know if there is something else more you want to know lad!
We are here to help each other!
 
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don’t be silly, I understand that you just want to build your rig according your needs, but there is nothing wrong having the rig ready for OC even when you don’t plan to OC it, "K" processors have the option to raise their clocks pretty easy also they come stock with a little bit higher clocks, all the compatibility in this build that I'm recommending ensures that you will achieve the maximum performance ff all the parts together and also if you will want in the future you will OC it a little bit, it's something that most advanced computer users will don at least once on their life's so don’t worry about it,

so let us know if there is something else more you want to know lad!
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You're not helping by continuously pushing OC'ing... The gains from a stable OC for gaming are minuscule and if you think otherwise you're fooling yourself.
 

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well im just telling the benefits about somthing ... not pushing and its a well known case that people starts overclocking and getting pretty more involved into computers when have great hardaware and across the time lad...
 
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Well to start with I didn't intend to OC anyways. I was mostly worried about which card I should use and if something was wrong with the build :p

you dont need water cooling ether.. all this air wont cut it stuff is total bollocks.. of course it will

as for overclocking.. its done for fun and is just another game.. i do it but i also know for sure i dont have to and certainly dont need to.. he he

basically if you really do need to overclock.. you need a better graphics card in the first place.. :)

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I don't mean to be rude but all I can see compared to this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/H2Mf3C is, 1. The K version of i7 and the z170 MB which both are for OC 2. WC + extra fans 3. Less SSD space 4. 100 more PSU power 5. Lower MHZ ram and finally 5. 980 instead of 980Ti , so it's pretty much mostly configured for OC (Which should explain the extra cooling) but degraded GPU wise. Please forgive me if I m wrong and as I said I don't mean to be rude in any way.

I think you did a good job selecting parts in your original post. The only thing that confused me was two 1TB HDDs instead of one 2TB HDD. I think ne6togadno' suggested build was good too. I did come up with slightly different build. Granted the choice for these parts is based on the prices I see available in PCpartpicker so adjustments should be made depending on where you live. For example, to answer the question in your original post it really should not matter which brand of video card you go with. Go with the one with the best price and if prices are similar than go with the brand you feel most comfortable with but Asus, EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI all good and not much difference. I will say that I personally don't with that 1 video card that is usually $10-20 lower than everything else in the same tier as the build quality always looks suspect to me but that's a personal hang up.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wWnH6h

Only $5 more for a better PSU. Case is personal so left that alone and the motherboard looks good for features and price so kept that too. Greece is not an option in pcpartpicker and I'm not sure how much access you would have to a UK build so I just stuck with the US as your build was there for easy comparison.
 

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The only reason I got 2 x 1 TB HDDs is because I want RAID 1. I also thought that the PSU might not be enough so thanks for that upgrade and for supporting the choises I made (feels good not to have your entire build replaced, which means that I just did a terrible job :p ) Oh and I do appreciate that the GPU issue is finally cleared up.
By the way is there any difference between the fury and the hyperX fury?
 
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By the way is there any difference between the fury and the hyperX fury?
Are we comparing a graphics card to a memory manufacturer, or am I just being a sperg?
 

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Just comparing the 2 memories, since Niteblooded chose hyperX fury instead of the fury I had.
 
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Just comparing the 2 memories, since Niteblooded chose hyperX fury instead of the fury I had.
It should still be the same thing, probably different descriptions.

Edit: Ah, my bad. The only difference between them is the frequency. You don't really need anything above what the cpu supports.
 

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If I get a motherboard with higher frequency support will anything change? Or will it still not matter since the CPU doesn't support? Also is there any actual difference between the 2133 and 2400?
 
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Ignore everyone telling you to OC... any decent processor and graphics card will run games fine without an OC. The only advantage overclockers see nowadays are in the 1-5 fps range on a good day with no wind and the moon a certain distance away (aka it's not worth it unless you enjoy doing it).

Nonsense.

I run a 120 hz panel and have an i5 3570k @ 4.2 Ghz steady coupled with a 780ti.

Want to know my bottleneck at 120 fps? CPU. That's right. 100% on one core and it hamstrings my fps minimum and average, and not by a little even.

If you aim for 60 fps tops, if you run a game that is 1 thread, you will also have situations where you are CPU limited.

The world of gaming is bigger than a few triple-A shooter releases buddy. When you build a system from scratch, today, with the knowledge that CPU advances in performance have begun stalling (because they have been ever since SandyBridge), and you put top end graphics in the system, overclocking is a no-brainer. It is worth the investment and a fast i5 is for gaming the ultimate cost-effective solution, spend the money you would spend on i7 Hyperthreading instead on better cooling and MB, and push the i5 K hard = better gaming performance at same price or less.

And the cherry on top; minimum frame rates benefit from a very fast single thread, even sub 60 fps this can be of influence. It benefits frame consistency. On quad core Intel, it is also managed out of the box in a way that it reduces multiplier at full load on all cores. You will notice that the max multi on a regular i5 will step back x1 or x2 when 3 or 4 cores are at work. An overclockable CPU allows you to remove that limitation. Even the worst binned K CPU has headroom on voltage as well, so underclocking at stock clocks is also an option. All beneficial to either performance or temps.

I have also seen people recommending an AIO instead of solid air cooling. Yeah. If you talk about nonsense investments, that there is a big one. An AIO either breaks the bank and gives you a few degrees C for it, or it is cheap junk at does a worse job than simple and cheap air cooling does. The big cooling issue today is different from what it was 10 years ago; with every node shrink, the concentration of heat becomes bigger and the surface to transfer and dissipate that heat becomes smaller. This is part of the reason why Ivy clocked less than Sandy Bridge (it wasn't just the TIM used).
 
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If I get a motherboard with higher frequency support will anything change? Or will it still not matter since the CPU doesn't support? Also is there any actual difference between the 2133 and 2400?

The difference is negligible, almost non existant.
 
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The difference is negligible, almost non existant.

It depends a lot. Recent articles have shown that certain engines on Skylake really like the faster RAM, especially for minimum frame rates. Fast RAM on Skylake is the only way to get Fallout 4 minimum FPS not ducking below 30 fps on high end rigs.

The sweet spot for DDR4 on Skylake seems to be 2666 or 2800 at CL14/CL15, and it hardly costs more than the slower ones. RAM overclocking is making its return, it seems. (and before you mention this, yes this is with discrete GPU, not on IGP)
 
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Metro: Last Light & GTA V benchmarks (2133 - 3733 MHz tested)
Doesn't seem to do much in games... But since the price premium for DDR4 2666/2800 MHz is negligible, sure why not?
 
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