New gaming desktop - Tips and help

[Vayra86]

Metro: Last Light & GTA V benchmarks (2133 - 3733 MHz tested)
Doesn't seem to do much in games... But since the price premium for DDR4 2666/2800 MHz is negligible, sure why not?

They test average frame rates, which is just about useless information. DDR speeds are all about latency = frame consistency = minimum frame rate and 99th percentile frames. In other words, the FPS metric that actually matters the most.

 

[R00kie]

It makes a difference on an i3, and almost none on an i7.

 

[Geladi]

Btw I am thinking about getting the MSI z170A gaming pro instead of the asus h170 pro gaming I picked, just in case I use SLI or want to upgrade something in the future, and it kinda seemed easier with that one (Plus it also supports higher RAM frequencies). Your thoughts on this one?
Plus I couldn't find an i7 that supports higher than 2133, or they were way too expensive and I didn't check them at all.

 

[rruff]

Save a couple bucks and go 980/390x then. For 1080P you really don't even remotely need a 980ti.

The real savings is dropping down to a 970, 290, or 390.

If he is really on 1080p for a couple years, no need for better, and the FPS/$ drops pretty fast when you get above that point.

For gaming, bang for buck is nearly always to buy a video card that will satisfy you for a couple years, and flip it and buy new every 2. Wait for a great deal. Similarly buy the latest MB, but not the best processor, and upgrade the processor after a few years. The i3-6100 is actually very viable for his current needs and cheap. Get an i7k down the road if necessary.

 

[peche]

Btw I am thinking about getting the MSI z170A gaming pro instead of the asus h170 pro gaming I picked, just in case I use SLI or want to upgrade something in the future, and it kinda seemed easier with that one (Plus is also supports higher RAM frequencies). Your thoughts on this one?
Plus I couldn't find an i7 that supports higher than 2133, or they were way too expensive and I didn't check them at all.

what about the lists i made for you lad?
SLi is almost possible on every motherboard now days... and in personal opinion completely unnecessary ...

 

[Geladi]

Yea I just want to be able to upgrade anything I 'd like to just in case. I checked your list when you posted it. It was really nice but since I m not going to OC the CPU I think I could save money (Non k 6700 and stock cooler) which would go into the 980ti. As for the MB you picked the z170 but the gigabyte one I m asking about the msi gaming pro and if it's actually worth to choose it over the h170 for the reasons I stated on my previous post.

 

[peche]

Yea I just want to be able to upgrade anything I 'd like to just in case. I checked your list when you posted it. It was really nice but since I m not going to OC the CPU I think I could save money (Non k 6700 and stock cooler) which would go into the 980ti. As for the MB you picked the z170 but the gigabyte one I m asking about the msi gaming pro and if it's actually worth to choose it over the h170 for the reasons I stated on my previous post.

excellent wont overclock?
you could get another motherboards, like Gigabyte G1Sniper B7 , also compatible with Sli that you want,
also you could use a better cooler, like the simple and always great hyper212Evo from Coolermaster...

 

[HammerON]

Let us not derail this thread by arguing about the benefits, or lack of by OC the CPU for gaming purposes.

 

[Geladi]

Yea, I think I have decided on what to get by now. I picked the MSI Geforce GTX980Ti Gaming 6G since as you guys said there is not much of a difference, I picked a 650W PSU and I m just thinking if I should get the MSI z170A gaming pro over the asus h170 pro gaming atx. Any info on this matter would be really helpful and appreciated!
Also I read that even if your CPU limits your ram speed (like the 6700 that has 2133 max frequency) there was a way to get your ram running at it's normal speed (i.e 2400) but I didn't quite get the way of how to do it.
This is the current build btw http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fMRTsY

 

[peche]

well, im glad that you finally decided to get a build,
when done let us know! also if possible make a project log!

 

[Niteblooded]

Yea, I think I have decided on what to get by now. I picked the MSI Geforce GTX980Ti Gaming 6G since as you guys said there is not much of a difference, I picked a 650W PSU and I m just thinking if I should get the MSI z170A gaming pro over the asus h170 pro gaming atx. Any info on this matter would be really helpful and appreciated!
Also I read that even if your CPU limits your ram speed (like the 6700 that has 2133 max frequency) there was a way to get your ram running at it's normal speed (i.e 2400) but I didn't quite get the way of how to do it.
This is the current build btw http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fMRTsY

That is why I picked the 2133Mhz ram in the build I suggested. When people complain they can't get their overclocked ram (anything over 2133) to work at the advertised speed it is almost always because they picked a non-K cpu. You don't need higher frequency ram if you aren't going to overclock. If it were me going with a non-K cpu build I would probably just stick with the Asus. Lot of negative reviews on Newegg for that MSI - very high percentage of the reviews posted so that's not a warm fuzzy on quality control. If you want future options available to you than a K-cpu and an OC capable board will have those options as people who overclock tend to like the latest and greatest tech and will pay for it. That said, if you went with the build you are planning to go with I think you would be plenty happy and you won't miss much. For example it doesn't have U.2 support but do you really want it? No good reason for U.2 at this point.

As someone who used to do Raid 0, I don't really see any point in doing raid now with SSDs. That is why the build I suggested had a 500GB SSD instead of the 250GB you have. Put Windows, your most played games, and most heavily used programs on that and then use a normal HDD for data storage. If you really want the storage drive to have extra speed than buy a WD Caviar Black. Maybe a 500GB SDD + 1TB Caviar Black combo. Though you know your storage needs better than we do. I do recommend investing more money into SSD storage space than a HDD raid. That is the one part of your build I don't like. Other than that, looks great.

Since you will have a 980Ti, think about saving up money for a better monitor down the line. I know you're happy now but 1080 will be getting phased out (more and more), especially a year or two from now.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

f you want future options available to you than a K-cpu and an OC capable board will have those options as people who overclock tend to like the latest and greatest tech

This. [I may not have been clear in my original suggestion but this along the lines of what I meant to say.]

Just because you dont want to OC doesnt mean you shouldnt dismiss buying a good overclockable board. Such boards are usually better made and still be considered a top board 2-3 years down the road. Should you ever decide [to learn] to OC either board is a good choice.

I agree with @Niteblooded on the SSD/HDD config. Once you get your base system built and running, its nothing to add drives later on. I have been planning on adding a 500gd or higher SSD which I will dedicate installing all games to.

Raid might be nice and all but its really not needed if its a daily gamer.

 

[Geladi]

Yea, after some research and chat I think this is going to be the final build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9n22pg

 

[trog100]

i recon spending what you are spending (not exactly budget) the lesser cpu choice is a poor one but we could all pick and choose all day..

good luck with it..

trog

 

[Geladi]

i recon spending what you are spending (not exactly budget) the lesser cpu choice is a poor one but we could all pick and choose all day..

What do you mean by that if I may ask?

 

[trog100]

What do you mean by that if I may ask?

i just think a 980 TI deserves the faster K cpu.. it seems a shame to have one without the other.. tis just my own thinking though.. its a fair bit faster out of the box even if you dont overclock it..
or to put it another way.. you aint skimping on the gpu so why skimp on the cpu..

trog

 

[peche]

personal opinion, not getting a "K" Cpu and 1z170 board makes it boring, these processors are pretty easy to overclock and could bring better performance for extra fun !
also getting a ti variant of 980 for 1080p is to much,
but i hope OP could get great times with that rig!

Regards,

 

[Geladi]

well, im glad that you finally decided to get a build,
when done let us know! also if possible make a project log!

I just finished my exams and ordered the desktop yesterday. There is a high chance that I will have it this week, since everything was available. I will come back when I have more info and will post some pictures when I receive it!
I would really like to thank you all for your assistance and your time spent to help me figure out what to do.

 

[peche]

I just finished my exams and ordered the desktop yesterday. There is a high chance that I will have it this week, since everything was available. I will come back when I have more info and will post some pictures when I receive it!
I would really like to thank you all for your assistance and your time spent to help me figure out what to do.

we are here to help each other lad

 

[Vineet Reddy]

I would recommend you to spend extra $60 and go for i7-6700K instead of i7-6700
And MSI Armor 2X GTX980Ti is best at its price range.

 

[peche]

2X GTX980Ti is best at its price range.

why?
totally unnecessary ...

 

[Vineet Reddy]

why?
totally unnecessary ...

Yeh it is true but it is quiter than ASUS Strix, Zotac and other MSI model and fewith frames faster than Zotac and other MSI model

 

[Vineet Reddy]

Even Strix is good but little noisier

 

[peche]

not about noise, about the sli... totally unnecessary, a single 980ti could handle big resolutions... as far as we know ... OP is not interested on running 4K ...
also asus model is no the best 980ti out there lad...

 

[64K]

not about noise, about the sli... totally unnecessary, a single 980ti could handle big resolutions... as far as we know ... OP is not interested on running 4K ...
also asus model is no the best 980ti out there lad...

It's the name of the card MSI GTX 980Ti Armor 2X

He wasn't suggesting to SLI two of them.