Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

[Delta6326]

[QUOTE="Ithanul, post: 3408117, member: 161983"

Was it showing a media disconnected in the ipconfig /all read out?[/QUOTE]

No, going to try restore for fun, never done one. Then I might just reformate the thing.

I'm ocd I will always think something is broke if I don't start fresh.

 

[Kursah]

In your network devices is your adapter shown? How about in device manager?

Since you're so fresh along, a fresh install (either format and install or the Windows 10 advanced menu restore...both work well). To get to the advanced menu, hold SHIFT and click Restart. If you wanna go that way.

 

[Beastie]

I'm still a refusenik. W7 is working great, I've got it set up how I like it.

I'm concerned about "backdoor" issues with win10 and I don't fancy fighting the forcible driver updates.

 

[Delta6326]

Yep, it was fully showing, claimed it was connected.
On my other pc I could see it on my router...
Restoreing now.
I'm going to blame windows it did install 2 updates while I was gone.

Restore complete, now have internet!

 

[Delta6326]

I'm still a refusenik. W7 is working great, I've got it set up how I like it.

I'm concerned about "backdoor" issues with win10 and I don't fancy fighting the forcible driver updates.

You can at least for not block updates, by telling w10 your on a metered connection


Using the USB install to reformat.
It has a setup. Exe so that is a easy way to reformat. Told it to keep nothing.

 

[Kursah]

I'm still a refusenik. W7 is working great, I've got it set up how I like it.

I'm concerned about "backdoor" issues with win10 and I don't fancy fighting the forcible driver updates.

You should've stopped with the point that you like how W7 is setup on your PC...

If you're concerned about "backdoor" issues, do some reading, because 7 is no better. Forcible drivers really hasn't been an issue for me...and I've deployed 10 on dozens of new and old PC's alike, having to use 7 drivers on old Dell XPS systems, and beyond...overall 10's been an excellent experience. Sure there's some issues...but I appreciate the challenges when they do present themselves (which 3.1, 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 8.1 all have... not a single one was a smooth launch, not a single one was issue free, not a single one of those is any more secure than 10).

If you were worried about privacy and 10, it's pretty easy to mitigate the standard goodies...but if you're a Facebook user, use credit cards, discount cards, cell phones, tablets and smart devices, smart TV's, memberships to pretty much anything...what you think is private really isn't and hasn't been for years, if not decades. I had a size-able post about this a few pages back if you're interested.

If you like 7 and are content, stick with it. If you're concerned about the true risks of going to 10, spend some more time researching before you take the dive...backup your data. You have a 30-day rollback period if you upgrade...and many folks report using their 7 key for 7 again if they wipe out 10 and fresh install 7 back on their system. So you really reduce the risk and it comes down to the effort of taking the time to educate yourself on the matter and making it happen. If you decide to give it a go and run into issues, we'll sure be happy to assist.

 

[Delta6326]

Everything is working perfect again. All drivers installed.
Anyone know how to get steam to show is installed on the OS again? It was originally installed on my 2nd ssd, it still works though.

 

[Keullo-e]

Moved to Win10 Pro x64 right after release and no turning back on my primary computer, legacy OS is ok for my other machines, but no way in my main PC. So yeah, no way I'm using 7/8/8.1 on my main PC.

 

[Kursah]

Everything is working perfect again. All drivers installed.
Anyone know how to get steam to show is installed on the OS again? It was originally installed on my 2nd ssd, it still works though.

Just run steams exe...make a shortcut and set options back to startup. Should work fine...if not just reinstall to the same directory.

 

[RejZoR]

I think you need to re-install into the same folder if you want to associate Steam with the Steam links clicked in browser (so games get installed directly). Otherwise you'll have to do it manually through Steam client after buying a game.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Today, both displays started with the computer. One update installed last night:
Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3124262)

 

[Mr.Scott]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonk...mpaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix#1c1f186c538d

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsofts-private-mode-still-stores-websites-2016-1?r=UK&IR=T

 

[Kursah]

First link has some interesting info that adds to what we already knew, the one thing I had never checked was the 10 end of support date, that is interesting. Can't say I'm too worried yet, if MS shoots itself in the foot too badly then we'll see an even stronger widespread support for Linux. I'd love to see that, so bring it!

So far 10 has been a good experience for me, but I have no doubt that they'll try to find a way to better control how their OS is deployed and what its deployed on, and now that they're tracking more based on HW UID, that makes it easier to drop support for previous operating systems (LAME). I can't say I agree with their logic for not letting users in the next couple of years with brand new PC's have a choice for using their old operating systems...especially when it comes to enterprise situations that I deal with regularly where old operating systems can be a requirement rather than spending thousands of dollars (or far more) replacing infrastructure for compatibility with a $200 OS upgrade. Again, the more crap like this they pull the stronger shares we'll see from the Linux side of things, and if that's the way mainstream goes...so be it.

I'd be curious to see if Microsoft actually answers those questions he submitted rather then replying with a declining to release a statement in the future...

Someday we could see Windows365 or likely will see it..and that's about the time I'll be done with it. I also don't think MS will go too far off the deep end as they'll start losing sales, OEM support and huge chunks of customer bases...they can only push so hard imho...but I guess we'll find out the truth soon enough. I for one could care less about losing 7 (and even 8) support, I've had far more successful 10 upgrades and deployments than not, and even being built on 8 as that article points out (which duh, we already knew this...), IMHO and in my experience, 8.1 was a solid operating system that was fast and stable (8 however had some major annoyances until 8.1), and 10 is looking to continue that trend, and if it keeps going the way it is, I'll be happy overall...just depends on what they implement and how they do so...

The second article is kind of a wash, admitting that even Chrome, Safari and Firefox do similar things with their private browsing. If it caches to your hard drive, it's gonna be traceable. Privacy hasn't truly been private in some time, many don't seem to be truly aware of this. Edge has kind of been a joke since its release more than a serious option in modern browsing, that's for sure. I don't know anyone that uses Edge as their primary browser nor would I ever recommend it. Who here uses Edge? willingly? regularly? primarily?

I test it here and there, mostly to see if they've actually fixed anything to make it compare to FF or Chrome...hell on most deployments I usually have a Ninite installer ready to deploy Chrome and FF on a system so I don't usually open it on a new system!

Maybe articles like these will get Canonical, Valve, and the folks behind all the other awesome versions of Linux to step up their game even more and try to get a bigger piece of the pie if MS actually follows through with what they state in these articles and the dozens of others that spout similar claim. I don't doubt for a minute that MS's actions to drop update support is fake, it's the easiest way for them to wash their hands clean of something that costs more to upkeep than it makes...it's another organization ran by bottom line maximizers, we just get to be pawns. They forget that while the competition isn't huge, there's plenty of competition...and with Valve pushing gaming on Linux, and services like PlayOnLinux constantly increasing support, there's going to be fewer reasons to require Windows in any end-user PC situation moving into the future. I suppose we'll see soon enough... 2017 could be a make or break year for a lotta folks building new systems and what OS they go with... or not, it could be a small cry for some and no issues for many. I'm more interested in how they treat 10 in the long-term, and if they're going O365 subscription-style with it (has always been a concern of mine)..

 

[Mr.Scott]

Someday we could see Windows365 or likely will see it..and that's about the time I'll be done with it. I'm more interested in how they treat 10 in the long-term, and if they're going O365 subscription-style with it (has always been a concern of mine)..

Of course they are.
There's more money in it that way.

 

[Kursah]

Yep, and that's the sad truth of it...

 

[dorsetknob]

Microsoft have already said that in everything but actualy stating that
Remember windows as a Service
no more O/S Version Updates win 10 is the END only a rolling update for 10 in the future
So do not be surprised when the Windows as A service starts to introduce a yearly subscription model and Function unlocking for a yearly fee.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Microsoft have already said that in everything but actualy stating that
Remember windows as a Service
no more O/S Version Updates win 10 is the END only a rolling update for 10 in the future
So do not be surprised when the Windows as A service starts to introduce a yearly subscription model and Function unlocking for a yearly fee.

Then why try to whitewash it.
Business's that use it need time to prep and appropriate upgrade funds. Surprises are costly.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Today, both displays started with the computer. One update installed last night:
Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3124262)

Another cold boot and it worked correctly. I assume something in that update fixed it.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

it is not fixed. Today, it booted with "Show on 1" and I had to manually extend it.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ms of course is trying to now force w10 down our throats. It sucks that w7 users were shafted on a sp 2 update along with a DX 12 solution, i like the gui better than 8 definitely, w10 i guess is ok looking...

 

[flmatter]

so what is the best version of win 10 to DL or does it just depend on OS and which version home, pro...? I had I bad experience with win 10 the first I upgraded to it and rolled back to W7pro. Thinking of doing an ssd upgrade to laptop and going to win10 from there. Any thoughts or just roll the dice? Thanks

 

[Ithanul]

so what is the best version of win 10 to DL or does it just depend on OS and which version home, pro...? I had I bad experience with win 10 the first I upgraded to it and rolled back to W7pro. Thinking of doing an ssd upgrade to laptop and going to win10 from there. Any thoughts or just roll the dice? Thanks

Best to go with Pro, Home does not give you any control over updates, they are set to auto. At least with Pro you can control through the Local Security Policy.

Fun thing to do is have the updates point to a different WSUS server that not managed by Microsoft.
Been debating to do that with my W7, so I stop getting the darn W10 nag ware yet still get the security updates.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I found this useful video it is suggested viewing from Overclockers Community Newsletter, obviously think carefully about you disable.

I think this is an appropriate thread.

How to Optimize Windows 10 For GAMING & Power Users

 

[Ahhzz]

This was a pretty good article from Russia regarding attempts to lock down Microsoft's spying.
https://hackmag.com/security/what-data-windows-10-sends-to-microsoft-and-how-to-make-it-stop/

 

[Beastie]

You should've stopped with the point that you like how W7 is setup on your PC...

If you're concerned about "backdoor" issues, do some reading, because 7 is no better. Forcible drivers really hasn't been an issue for me...and I've deployed 10 on dozens of new and old PC's alike, having to use 7 drivers on old Dell XPS systems, and beyond...overall 10's been an excellent experience. Sure there's some issues...but I appreciate the challenges when they do present themselves (which 3.1, 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 8.1 all have... not a single one was a smooth launch, not a single one was issue free, not a single one of those is any more secure than 10).

If you were worried about privacy and 10, it's pretty easy to mitigate the standard goodies...but if you're a Facebook user, use credit cards, discount cards, cell phones, tablets and smart devices, smart TV's, memberships to pretty much anything...what you think is private really isn't and hasn't been for years, if not decades. I had a size-able post about this a few pages back if you're interested.

If you like 7 and are content, stick with it. If you're concerned about the true risks of going to 10, spend some more time researching before you take the dive...backup your data. You have a 30-day rollback period if you upgrade...and many folks report using their 7 key for 7 again if they wipe out 10 and fresh install 7 back on their system. So you really reduce the risk and it comes down to the effort of taking the time to educate yourself on the matter and making it happen. If you decide to give it a go and run into issues, we'll sure be happy to assist.

Hi Kursah.

I'm well aware of the possible inbuilt security issues with W7, however if you are telling me that W10 is no worse then we'll just have have to disagree about that . I'm not sure this is the best place to get into a huge debate regarding the iniquities of the NSA, GCHQ et al and what effect this has on the consumer electronics industry.

No, I don't use facebook, credit cards, discount cards, tablets, smart devices. I do use a cell phone but I'm very aware of the privacy issues brought up by cell phone use.

I may well bite the bullet and upgrade to W10 while it is still free- I havn't decided yet- as you have observed I'm quite happy with W7 at the moment. I can see that W10 has better support for new hardware techs.
Thank you for the offer of assistance should I decide to upgrade.