In a way I hope it's true. Maybe this will be AMD's repetition of HD5000 series. Those made monumental leaps in performance for very affordable price.
System Name | Marmo / Kanon |
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Processor | Intel Core i7 9700K / AMD Ryzen 7 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi / X570S Aorus Pro AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U12S x 2 |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32GB 2666-C16 / 32GB 3200-C16 |
Video Card(s) | KFA2 RTX3070 Ti / Asus TUF RX 6800XT OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO+ 1TB, 860 EVO 1TB / Samsung 970 Pro 1TB, 970 EVO+ 1TB |
Display(s) | Dell AW2521HFA / U2715H |
Case | Fractal Design Focus G / Pop Air RGB |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard / Creative SB ZxR |
Power Supply | SeaSonic Focus GX 650W / PX 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX310 / G1 |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 / G513 |
Software | Win 11 Ent |
System Name | Tarro |
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Processor | i7 3770@4.1ghz |
Motherboard | msi Z77A-G43 |
Cooling | CM 212 Evo plus |
Memory | Kingstone Hyper Fury 8gb 1866mhz Black |
Video Card(s) | xfx 290x + accelero extreme 3 + MLU Bios +0.025v 1075/1375 |
Storage | SSD 840 EVO + HDD WD 500 |
Display(s) | Viewsonic 1080p hdmi |
Case | Corsair 200r |
Audio Device(s) | MB |
Power Supply | Antec HCG 900w |
Mouse | Logitech g502 |
Keyboard | Ducky Shine zero Blueled |
Software | Windows 8.1 pro |
4th generation GCN is not going to have large changes except for the shrinking itself, so I'm wondering how ~2.560 of these cores can outperform 4.096 cores from Fiji while still operating at a lower frequency. It would be nice, but I'm not convinced.
System Name | Perf/price king /w focus on low noise and TDP |
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Processor | Intel Xeon E3-1230 v2 |
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H |
Cooling | Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A (BW) |
Memory | 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP Black |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte GTX 670 OC |
Storage | 525GB Crucial MX300 & 256GB Samsung 830 Series |
Display(s) | Home: LG 29UB65-P & Work: LG 34UB88-B |
Case | Fractal Design Arc Mini |
Audio Device(s) | Asus Xonar Essence STX /w Sennheiser HD 598 |
Power Supply | be quiet! Straight Power CM E9 80+ Gold 480W |
Mouse | Roccat Kone XTD optical |
Keyboard | SteelSeries Apex M500 |
Software | Win10 |
Processor | Intel® Core™ i7-13700K |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | 32GB(2x16) DDR5@6600MHz G-Skill Trident Z5 |
Video Card(s) | ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3080 AMP Holo |
Storage | 2TB SK Platinum P41 SSD + 4TB SanDisk Ultra SSD + 500GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD |
Display(s) | Acer Predator X34 3440x1440@100Hz G-Sync |
Case | NZXT PHANTOM410-BK |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi Titanium PCIe |
Power Supply | Corsair 850W |
Mouse | Logitech Hero G502 SE |
Software | Windows 11 Pro - 64bit |
Benchmark Scores | 30FPS in NFS:Rivals |
One can only dream about it...me included my friend, me included...In a way I hope it's true. Maybe this will be AMD's repetition of HD5000 series. Those made monumental leaps in performance for very affordable price.
System Name | Little Boy / New Guy |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 5900X / Intel Core I5 10400F |
Motherboard | Asrock X470 Taichi Ultimate / Asus H410M Prime |
Cooling | ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 A-RGB / ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO |
Memory | TeamGroup Zeus 2x16GB 3200Mhz CL16 / Teamgroup 1x16GB 3000Mhz CL18 |
Video Card(s) | Asrock Phantom RX 6800 XT 16GB / Asus RTX 3060 Ti 8GB DUAL Mini V2 |
Storage | Patriot Viper VPN100 Nvme 1TB / OCZ Vertex 4 256GB Sata / Ultrastar 2TB / IronWolf 4TB / WD Red 8TB |
Display(s) | Compumax MF32C 144Hz QHD / ViewSonic OMNI 27 144Hz QHD |
Case | Phanteks Eclipse P400A / Montech X3 Mesh |
Power Supply | Aresgame 850W 80+ Gold / Aerocool 850W Plus bronze |
Mouse | Gigabyte Force M7 Thor |
Keyboard | Gigabyte Aivia K8100 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64 Bits |
One can only dream about it...me included my friend, me included...
If you go back a bit, you'll realize it's not a dream, those leaps in performance were always present when shrinking the node and lets not forget that this jump is huge 28 to 14, because they skiped 20nm.
because they've already optimized CPU portion as much as they can, so they use the added space to increase cache performance and iGPU.May be a dumb question, but why are we not getting leaps in performance with Intel's node shrinks?
System Name | Games/internet/usage |
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Processor | I7 5820k 4.2 Ghz |
Motherboard | ASUS X99-A2 |
Cooling | custom water loop for cpu and gpu |
Memory | 16GiB Crucial Ballistix Sport 2666 MHz |
Video Card(s) | Radeon Rx 6800 XT |
Storage | Samsung XP941 500 GB + 1 TB SSD |
Display(s) | Dell 3008WFP |
Case | Caselabs Magnum M8 |
Audio Device(s) | Shiit Modi 2 Uber -> Matrix m-stage -> HD650 |
Power Supply | beQuiet dark power pro 1200W |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 RGB |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
May be a dumb question, but why are we not getting leaps in performance with Intel's node shrinks?
System Name | Skunkworks 3.0 |
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Processor | 5800x3d |
Motherboard | x570 unify |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U12A |
Memory | 32GB 3600 mhz |
Video Card(s) | asrock 6800xt challenger D |
Storage | Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB |
Display(s) | Asus 1440p144 27" |
Case | Old arse cooler master 932 |
Power Supply | Corsair 1200w platinum |
Mouse | *squeak* |
Keyboard | Some old office thing |
Software | Manjaro |
They say the games can be scaled easily, but it still throws a different set of hardware into the mix. Different capabilities, a different GPU arch, better CPU speed, ece. They can say all they want that games will "scale" and be playable on both platforms, but devs have a very poor history of actually doing this.Alright, I only did it the second time becaus3 he got choked up on it the first time. I'll play nice. What does Sony have to lose from putting that much power in a console? They still have the PS4 for casual gamers. Since the same games can be scaled up or down, they would not be dividing the market that much. (unlike the GENESIS, 3DO, Sega CD days)
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W |
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Motherboard | MSI B550 Tomahawk |
Cooling | ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA |
Memory | 2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB |
Storage | Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB |
Display(s) | AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz |
Case | SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek 7.1 onboard |
Power Supply | Seasonic Core GC 500W |
Mouse | Sharkoon SHARK Force Black |
Keyboard | Trust GXT280 |
Software | Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux |
If you go back a bit, you'll realize it's not a dream, those leaps in performance were always present when shrinking the node and lets not forget that this jump is huge 28 to 14, because they skiped 20nm.
"If you look at the total install base of a Radeon 290, or a GTX 970 or above [the minimum specs required for VR], it's around 7.5 million units," explained Taylor. "But the issue is that if a publisher wants to sell a £40/$50 VR game, there's not a big enough market to justify that yet. We've got to prime the pumps, which means somebody has got to start writing cheques to big games publishers. Or we've got to increase the install TAM [total addressable market].
"The reason Polaris is a big deal," continued Taylor, "is because I believe we will be able to grow that TAM significantly. I don't think Nvidia is going to do anything to increase the TAM, because according to everything we've seen around Pascal, it's a high-end part. I don't know what the price is gonna be, but let's say it's as low as £500/$600 and as high as £800/$1000. That price range is not going to expand the TAM for VR. We're going on the record right now to say Polaris will expand the TAM. Full stop."
Roy Taylor talks about Polaris.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W |
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Motherboard | MSI B550 Tomahawk |
Cooling | ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA |
Memory | 2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB |
Storage | Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB |
Display(s) | AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz |
Case | SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek 7.1 onboard |
Power Supply | Seasonic Core GC 500W |
Mouse | Sharkoon SHARK Force Black |
Keyboard | Trust GXT280 |
Software | Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux |
http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/04/amd-focusing-on-vr-mid-range-polaris/
Roy Taylor talks about Polaris.
What he doesn't tell is that, nvidia will have a replacement at some point for 970, at for sure will have 980+ performance at lower prices.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
In a way I hope it's true. Maybe this will be AMD's repetition of HD5000 series. Those made monumental leaps in performance for very affordable price.
System Name | Perf/price king /w focus on low noise and TDP |
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Processor | Intel Xeon E3-1230 v2 |
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H |
Cooling | Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A (BW) |
Memory | 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP Black |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte GTX 670 OC |
Storage | 525GB Crucial MX300 & 256GB Samsung 830 Series |
Display(s) | Home: LG 29UB65-P & Work: LG 34UB88-B |
Case | Fractal Design Arc Mini |
Audio Device(s) | Asus Xonar Essence STX /w Sennheiser HD 598 |
Power Supply | be quiet! Straight Power CM E9 80+ Gold 480W |
Mouse | Roccat Kone XTD optical |
Keyboard | SteelSeries Apex M500 |
Software | Win10 |
In the meantime, AMD made it official Polaris 10 is a mainstream chip and Polaris 11 is for notebooks. Huge letdown as this allows nvidia to milk the high-end for another 9-12 months.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
High-end is such a small % of the market anyway. That's why the performance segment is usually the first to hit the market. This way companies also get to milk the actual performance parts as high-end if the competition has nothing similar to offer (see NVIDIA).
So you're saying AMD not having high-end parts is an achievement then?
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
I think it's important to see what AMD is going for here. Polaris is around 2/3 the size of GP104. If Polaris XT manages to achieve 90% of say GTX1080's performance, then that's a win-win product for AMD. That was the case with the 4870 and GTX280, if you remember.
System Name | 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is) |
Motherboard | MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 |
Cooling | Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6 |
Memory | 32GB - 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600+16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB JUHOR / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580 |
Storage | NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage |
Display(s) | Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5 |
Case | Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W |
Mouse | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Keyboard | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10 |
Em... nope. It happened before. There are cases as old as the first 8800GTX and more recently as GTX 980. Other than a dual gpu card, AMD had no answer against GTX 980 for months. And Vega is not a year away.this is the first time Nvidia will release a new flagship and AMD won't have an answer for about a year.
And Vega is not a year away.
That's fanboy talk. We've been here before, here's how it plays out:
- Nvidia is first to the market with a flagship, milks customers for months
- AMD releases a flagship that's a tad faster than Nvidia's
- Nvidia cuts prices, so AMD gets no chance to make a profit
It's true that money's in the mid-range segment (and OEM), but let's not ignore the elephant in the room: this is the first time Nvidia will release a new flagship and AMD won't have an answer for about a year. And their argument about "VR TAM" is pure rubbish, that's what scares me the most - it means there's no other reason they did this except they couldn't build a proper flagship yet.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 5900X ||| Intel Core i7-3930K |
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Motherboard | ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR ||| Asus P9X79 WS |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U14S ||| Be Quiet Pure Rock |
Memory | Crucial 2 x 16 GB 3200 MHz ||| Corsair 8 x 8 GB 1333 MHz |
Video Card(s) | MSI GTX 1060 3GB ||| MSI GTX 680 4GB |
Storage | Samsung 970 PRO 512 GB + 1 TB ||| Intel 545s 512 GB + 256 GB |
Display(s) | Asus ROG Swift PG278QR 27" ||| Eizo EV2416W 24" |
Case | Fractal Design Define 7 XL x 2 |
Audio Device(s) | Cambridge Audio DacMagic Plus |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus PX-850 x 2 |
Mouse | Razer Abyssus |
Keyboard | CM Storm QuickFire XT |
Software | Ubuntu |
That would be an enourmous achievement. GCN is currently way behind Maxwell, and Pascal is a major architectural overhaul while 4th generation GCN is not. Keep in mind that Fiji is just performing close to GM200, even though it has 50% more theoretical performance.I think it's important to see what AMD is going for here. Polaris is around 2/3 the size of GP104. If Polaris XT manages to achieve 90% of say GTX1080's performance, then that's a win-win product for AMD.
How would memory compression help with bad performance? AMD has plenty of memory bandwidth, that is really not the issue.Polaris should also have memory compression for frame buffer color data, which helped quite a bit with Tonga. Hawaii chips lack this feature.