MSI and ASUS Send VGA Review Samples with Higher Clocks than Retail Cards

Aleend · Jun 17, 2016

btarunr said:
We both investigated this. We and HWFR were in touch with each other when investigating this. It's just that their writeup came up first. Neither of us needs to credit the other.

Oh, thanks for the precision i was not aware of that. Sorry for my comment, then.

Caring1 said:
Are making up accounts just to say the same thing, or recruiting other idiots to do it?
I repeat, this has nothing to do with an article from some minor shitty site in France and has to do with the cards being reviewed by TPU.

So shitty it helped to unravel the issues in GTX 970 memory allocation and worked with TPU on this matter. You're mad that a french site can be as good as any english speaking one? I guess you pretty much showed everyone what to think about you...

Prima.Vera · Jun 17, 2016

Guys relax. This is not a pissing competition. Both sites found out about the same time and they post it. Is not like secret info who post first gets the cookie!
As I said, MSI was doing this since 780 days also, so no big surprise here...

bug · Jun 17, 2016

Sam008 said:
MSI gaming app does give us features like display settings for movie, gaming & eyerest mode.

The new ones get leds control with them but using afterburner is better because whenever i run gaming app it makes the clocks for my r9 270x go to 1050/1400 (silent mode) by default & when i close it my idle clock is 300/300 not 300/150.

I oced my card to 1200/1500 with afterburner & there is no option for us to run custom profiles from gaming app.

So yes avoid that software & use afterburner.

I buy Nvidia because of their Linux support. Which of MSI's application run on Linux?

Sam008 · Jun 17, 2016

bug said:
I buy Nvidia because of their Linux support. Which of MSI's application run on Linux?

MSI Gaming App & others are Windows-only.

Aquinus · Jun 17, 2016

bug said:
I buy Nvidia because of their Linux support. Which of MSI's application run on Linux?

I think Linus Torvalds would like to have a word with you.

Pretty sure I can manually set any clocks I want by using aticonfig on the command line without any hassle.

I just find it funny how TPU just decided to whine about this now when my 390 GAMING works the same exact way.

Video of Torvalds publicly telling nVidia, "f**k you."

vega22 · Jun 17, 2016

Aquinus said:
I think Linus Torvalds would like to have a word with you. Pretty sure I can manually set any clocks I want by using aticonfig on the command line without any hassle.

I just find it funny how TPU just decided to whine about this now when my 390 GAMING works the same exact way.

Video of Torvalds publicly telling nVidia, "f**k you."

this is not the 1st time tpu has shown this to be the case.

i am sure i read other reviews in the past stating they had review versions but didn't release reviews till they had checked the retail cards matched.

Aquinus · Jun 17, 2016

vega22 said:
this is not the 1st time tpu has shown this to be the case.

i am sure i read other reviews in the past stating they had review versions but didn't release reviews till they had checked the retail cards matched.

In reviews, sure but, this is coming out and pointing it out directly. I'm just curious why it become worthy of a dedicated news article now and not before.

bug · Jun 17, 2016

Aquinus said:
I think Linus Torvalds would like to have a word with you. Pretty sure I can manually set any clocks I want by using aticonfig on the command line without any hassle.

I just find it funny how TPU just decided to whine about this now when my 390 GAMING works the same exact way.

Video of Torvalds publicly telling nVidia, "f**k you."

Linus is pissed about the open source support (and he's probably right). But if you want to get stuff done on Linux, Nvidia is still the only choice.

vega22 · Jun 17, 2016

Aquinus said:
In reviews, sure but, this is coming out and pointing it out directly. I'm just curious why it become worthy of a dedicated news article now and not before.

because bt secretly hates tpu and keeps telling the truth about amd, nvidia, msi and now asus and not just pushing out page after page of pr bumf?

the fake nature of the whole review system is something most people choose not to talk about. how many reviewers turn round and say the things they were given, for free, before they became available to buy were shit? not many will tell the truth for risk of rocking the boat regardless of the product.

the fact that anybody is willing to hold the system up to the light is commendable imo.

rtwjunkie · Jun 17, 2016

danbert2000 said:
Okay, I understand why this is an issue of honesty and that it's annoying that MSI makes you install their gaming application to enable the listed clock rates.

This has confused me. I don't install the Gaming app, only Afterburner, with my MSI cards. Without the gaming app, the card defaults to the "Gaming" default, which is the middle set of speeds between Silent and OC. I'm still able to overclock up to the OC listed speeds and beyond. So I'm not sure what the issue is.

In Summary: There is zero need to install the Gaming app to hit any of the listed speeds.

T8RR8R · Jun 17, 2016

Asus lies, but has never failed on me while MSI has. I'd never own an XFX product for many reasons, EVGA only makes good graphics cards these days and I hear Gigabyte nightmares all the time. So what's a guy to do anymore?

Chaitanya · Jun 17, 2016

here is asus's response to accusitions:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Cases-and-Cooling/ASUS-Responds-GTX-1080-Reviewer-VBIOS-Concerns

GC_PaNzerFIN · Jun 17, 2016

Chaitanya said:
here is asus's response to accusitions:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Cases-and-Cooling/ASUS-Responds-GTX-1080-Reviewer-VBIOS-Concerns

What a load of arrogant BS from Asus. I say it is time to drag the cat on the floor more, we are not done with them. Not after response like that!

BiggieShady · Jun 17, 2016

T8RR8R said:
Asus lies, but has never failed on me while MSI has. I'd never own an XFX product for many reasons, EVGA only makes good graphics cards these days and I hear Gigabyte nightmares all the time. So what's a guy to do anymore?

You are left with Palit/Gainward, not the bad choice I might add

ShurikN · Jun 17, 2016

BiggieShady said:
You are left with Palit/Gainward, not the bad choice I might add

Plus Saphire and Powercolor for AMD

Dethroy · Jun 17, 2016

ShurikN said:
Plus Saphire and Powercolor for AMD

I wish Sapphire made Nvidia cards as well.

Flow · Jun 17, 2016

rtwjunkie said:
This has confused me. I don't install the Gaming app, only Afterburner, with my MSI cards. Without the gaming app, the card defaults to the "Gaming" default, which is the middle set of speeds between Silent and OC. I'm still able to overclock up to the OC listed speeds and beyond. So I'm not sure what the issue is.

In Summary: There is zero need to install the Gaming app to hit any of the listed speeds.

The difference is in the cards bios. The review sample has a modified bios, which should not be the case in the first place.
And since the review sample can run the oc mode by default already, then why not the consumers cards also?

In any case, a review should show what a product can do, therefor it needs to be exactly the same as the retail product.

ps I don't use the gaming app either.

cadaveca · Jun 18, 2016

Flow said:
And since the review sample can run the oc mode by default already, then why not the consumers cards also?

Consumer cards can too?

All you need to do is go to our BIOS database and download the BIOS from the review card, flash it, and you'll have the same thing. That applies to both the ASUS and MSI cards, and pretty much every single card every reviewed here on TPU.

dj-electric · Jun 18, 2016

Dethroy said:
I wish Sapphire made Nvidia cards as well.

It does. They are called ZOTAC.
(PCPartner company)

GC_PaNzerFIN · Jun 18, 2016

And Zotac does make very decent cards even at lower cost. Usually their AMP Extreme cards are as cheap or even cheaper than basic AIB models from other vendors. Certainly worth thinking about.

jaggerwild · Jun 20, 2016

I can hear them prices falling more n more............ :nutkick:

Vayra86 · Jun 20, 2016

Asus actually admitting they do their thinking for the reviewers already... the world is going to shit.

They don't even see what's wrong with it, they just admit and provide argumentation with it. Wow. It's like they're saying, hey stupid consumer, listen, we know what's best for you. Now shut up and buy PLS, you think too much.

najiro · Jun 20, 2016

MxPhenom 216 said:
Its 30mhz. Any user that has 2 brain cells and knows how to change a slider in Afterburner can get that clock.

Apparently you are CLUELESS about review standards.

MxPhenom 216 · Jun 20, 2016

najiro said:
Apparently you are CLUELESS about review standards.

Or i dont care about stupid shit like this.

Ill still happily get an MSI gaming 1070. I wont use their gaming app, but instead afterburner and set my own clocks and profiles.

While everyone is crying about this stuff, ill be playing games and enjoying every second of it.

najiro · Jun 21, 2016

@MxPhenom 216

Well, this is something I do not expect average users to understand. Either way, MSI and ASUS GTX 1080/1070 will be just as good as the others but the proven fact (which they already admit by now) that:

Sample Cards ≠ Retail Cards

means
1) false advertising
2) elaborate setup to fool users/reviews

Look, its all about competition. Competing for the pole position is the objective of all brands. They'd do everything to achieve that... I mean EVERYTHING. Of course, being the best-performing GTX 1080/1070 will always add appeal and increase demand, this is what this is in my opinion.

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