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Ageia's Answer To John Carmack

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I'd definitely get a physx card if it cost a far more reasonable £30 (they'd sell a LOT more at that price), the GPU on the Physx card is as powerful as the crappy nVidia FX series cards, nothing more.

Even at £50 it's far too expensive for the vast majority of people to even bother, nevermind the £100+ they currently sell for!
 
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I will repeat again....if it's that good why have so few worldwide bought it.
 

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1st- I have done the searching on this I know exactly what it is capable of.. My point for the screenshots was more a matter of while your playing will you actually notice the difference visually when your concentrating on the action around you, most likely you will not..

2nd- The price, as you said goto ebay and buy a used 1 great idea BUT the fact that this card which is supposedly so great is already being sold by people who have it has to make me wonder why.. If it was such an incredible piece of hardware why would they not want to keep it? Could it possibly be that they realized it's not all that impressive or did they realize they made a mistake buying that instead of a decent graphics card, afterall as someone had already mentioned with those extra particles and such thats alot more rendering.. The current newer games already tax most of the mid and lower ranged graphics cards to the max so why don't we make them work even harder by adding MORE.. Not everybody has an unlimited budget to buy or build the most powerful rig or to buy the most powerful graphics card some of us have to wait until the newest toy hits the market so we can afford the last generation's top dog when the prices drop..

3rd- I was not saying FEAR is the greatest in anyway what I was saying is that FEAR is a good example of the begining of physics in a game, physics which can be done with just your cpu and if your fortunate enough to have a duel or quad core then the physics will be easy to handle.. The effects though don't stop at just FEAR though there are many many games which have physics in them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_physics_engines yes I know not all of these are PC games but many are and
more than 3/4's DON'T require a special card to get the benefit from it..
Have you ever heard of Havok? They incorporate physics on the software end and in many instances you would be hardpressed to say which is better Havok's software physics or Ageia's hardware..

You probably think I am against this card but the truth is I am not I just don't see a need for it with so many games already having their own physics built in, think about it why exactly do you think games are so large now that they need to be put on multiple cd's or dvd's? It is not just for the graphics or the size of the levels or maps or whatever, it is because they DO have physics already and THAT takes up alot of space
 
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2 Reasons why it is sure to fail, or already has failed
1) Price
2) Limited Game Support

IF every game in the market supported it i would had bought it without thinking about the high price.
 
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For £100+ I'd expect a very powerful dedicated physics card that will last at least 2 years to justify the cost, the current Physx card is a POS to say the least.
 

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I'm deeply sorry Grings. Let me clarify......a P4 motherboard with AGP will not accept 2 PCI-E HD2600 video cards.

A new motherboard, ram, processor, etc. is required to install those 2 HD2600's, which is a tiny bit more $$$$ than 150....

But that same P4 with AGP will run the PhysX PCI card with NO PROBLEMS!

And by the way, there are plenty of AGP single video cards that can handle the load.

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Realistically, that is a market no one cares to support.
 
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Realistically, that is a market no one cares to support.

AGP is a dead slot. When it comes down to it PCI Express is far superior. The only reason why you see AGP cards popping up from Sapphire and other companies is because people don't have the money to upgrade full systems. They're just making the cards so they can make a few extra bucks from that market. Realistically its dead. In a couple of years AGP will be a thing of the past.

Physics cards are also obsolete. Since the release of vista the processors aren't handling the graphics load. The processor is now open for physics processing and when you have some extra cores...well ...i rather have the open pci slot for more air flow than a 150 dollar paper weight.
 
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And the PCI-E lanes.
 

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I believe Ageia's card has its place. Perhaps if they wrote some code up (read: driver) that helps in all games, not just those written specifically for it, that would help them sell more. Anything to help free up the cpu and some gpu cycles is pretty good. But Like someone mentioned, ATI and Nvidia are working on 3 card solutions with 3 X16 PCI e slots, with one for physics.
 

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I believe Ageia's card has its place. Perhaps if they wrote some code up (read: driver) that helps in all games, not just those written specifically for it, that would help them sell more. Anything to help free up the cpu and some gpu cycles is pretty good. But Like someone mentioned, ATI and Nvidia are working on 3 card solutions with 3 X16 PCI e slots, with one for physics.

Me! :D
 

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At the moment, there’s not a single game that supports multi-threading even at a basic level.

Wait...what? Then I must have just been imagining Supreme Commander loading multiple cores in my CPU usage viewer...

Listen buddy, people don't want to spend $150 on something that is going to do nothing but sit and collect dust 99% of the time.
 
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