hd2600xt vs 8600gt

[hat]

Austintown Fitch

lol wtf?

Zomg j00 know where I skool at, haxX0R

 

[trt740]

lol wtf?
Zomg j00 know where I skool at, haxX0R

bastards beat us in football I went to Walsh Jesuit In Akron many moons ago.

 

[hat]

bastards beat us in football I went to Walsh Jesuit many moons ago.

lol I don't care about that
I thought you went to school there, heh

 

[trt740]

lol I don't care about that
I thought you went to school there, heh

Na my roomate in college Paul Besset did and Jeff Soulick.

 

[bigboi86]

Benchmarks like 3DMark is largely misleading to how the cards perform in actual gaming.

The 8600GT/S and X2600 maybe give higher 3DMark scores than the 7900GS/GTX and X1950GT/Pro cards, but in actual gaming performance you'll find for most part the 8600GT/X2600XT lags behind the older generation 7900/X1950 cards in curent DX9 games.

You have a point.. but these cards do well in real world gaming also.

They aren't as good as 7900s or x1900s... because of the simple fact that the ram bus width on the 7900/x1900 is 256bit compared to 2600/8600 128bit.

 

[hat]

The 128-bit bus width is fine for 1280x1024.

 

[bigboi86]

The 128-bit bus width is fine for 1280x1024.

Nope... It hampers performance, period, even at 1024 res.

I wish I would have at least gotten one of these.

 

[pt]

gddr4 is useless in this card in my opinion since i didn't saw much perfomance increase

 

[Fleekar]

What exactly is your "Crappy Dell" psu?
My friend's dimension 8000 something has a 350 watt psu from dell it currently runs:
160gb hd
300gb sata hd
1gb ddr2
2 dvd burners
P4 3.2 GHz HT
x1900 gt Rev. 2 << imo power hungry card

And it runs fine. Whats the spec on yours, I don't think any of the cards mentioned so far will kill it if its greater than or equa l to my buddy's

 

[tkpenalty]

Yea but the problem with a 7900gs or a 1950pro is the amount of power that they consume. And yea on the up side i wont be running a res any higher than 1280x1024.

edit: pt if you could show me some bf2 that would be great

:shadedshu

They dont use a lot of power dude... it would only add like 0.01c to ur power bill

Point is, dell makes good PSUs (DONT KILL ME), they are true to their rating 100%. You ONLY need 300W from a Dell PSU to run that setup aformentioned. So yeah, anything like a Coolermaster Extreme 430W will run 100% rock solid stable. People these days are so ignorant :shadedshu

Bit bandwidth isnt the only problem about amd's offering, its got:
-Lower stream proccy clockspeed
-Lower amount of ROPs, BAD choice from AMD, it wouldnt have costed more. Instead of having 12 or 8 they chose 4!!!!

Thus bottlenecking what the stream processor's can do. If they had EIGHT ROPs instead of Four, they would have a monster GPU. Even three quads wouldnt hurt the price of it (and would effectively make it faster than a X1950PRO).

 

[bigboi86]

8600s do have 8ROPs.

Oh and PT... how are you going to say GDDR4 wouldn't help a card that's being bottlenecked by it's memory?

 

[trt740]

You have a point.. but these cards do well in real world gaming also.

They aren't as good as 7900s or x1900s... because of the simple fact that the ram bus width on the 7900/x1900 is 256bit compared to 2600/8600 128bit.

Yes they are their ram is faster as is their core speed. they are just as fast or faster than the 7900 series with 512mb of ram.

 

[hat]

clock speed aren't everything. What about pixel pipelines? What about the 256-bit memory bus?

 

[pt]

8600s do have 8ROPs.

Oh and PT... how are you going to say GDDR4 wouldn't help a card that's being bottlenecked by it's memory?

doesn't help the hd2600xt line
at least not much to pay the huge price difference between them
mine beats any gddr4 hd2600xt i've seen so far

 

[magibeg]

What exactly is your "Crappy Dell" psu?
My friend's dimension 8000 something has a 350 watt psu from dell it currently runs:
160gb hd
300gb sata hd
1gb ddr2
2 dvd burners
P4 3.2 GHz HT
x1900 gt Rev. 2 << imo power hungry card

And it runs fine. Whats the spec on yours, I don't think any of the cards mentioned so far will kill it if its greater than or equa l to my buddy's

Well actually i also have a dimension 8400, and yea its a 350 watt. I'll be buying a card on monday and from what i can tell i think the hd2600xt has the lead right now in my books. Performance wise its pretty much the same as the 8600gt but i found a hd2600xt for $115CND.

However if your friends can run a x1900gt that could open a few more options up to me, though i doubt that i could beat the price of that 2600. This card is just to hold me over a little longer until i can buy a new computer. A few months ago i was going to get a new pc but then the braking system went on my car (bye bye brake fluid). Unfortunately this happened on the highway, so needless to say the money went for something else. This is more of a 6 month fix than anything else really. Want a bit more pep for fairly cheap (so i probably wont be doing much dx10 gaming on this system). Its just the new cards are cheap and seem to be performing well.


edit- yea i know the dell psu's are good, made by fortran i believe, however doesn't a card like a x1950pro require a special power cord to plug into it? i think theres adapters for it but i'm not sure where to find them. Or i could be completely wrong

 

[hat]

A HD2900XT for $115CDN? Yes go for it. I beleive they come at 800/2200 right?? OC that bish!

 

[magibeg]

Its the HD2600xt for $115, and i just found a Sapphire X1950PRO 256MB LITE PCI-E DDVI TV for $144 though i'ld also have to buy a pcie power adapter for my power supply.

 

[Mussels]

1950pro 'LITE' - that lite has me wondering, i've heard that before and it can be anything from no extras in the box, the slower memory on the card.

 

[hat]

Are you sure?? I just looked at like 5 different PCI-E video cards and they all came with a molex-to-PCI-E adaptor...

Seriously, I think a x1950PRO is a little too much for your PSU. I would still stick to pci-e video cards without the connector, like the 8600 or the 2600xt

 

[hat]

I don't know what site you buy from, but Newegg lets you see what you get with the product you purchace, unless it's a CPU box or something. For instance with video cards, they let you see several views of the video card itself and then pics of the accessories it comes with.

 

[magibeg]

Yea cant buy from newegg because i'm in canada, its just you americans that get to benifit from the great 'egg'. After reading a couple reviews the x1950pro usually pulls a max draw with a full system between 219 and 190 watts (depending on setup). So in theory i could potentially run it without issue, though i would be pushing it. I'll have to decide by monday.

 

[hat]

I know most x19xx want 450W minimum, taking into account the rest of your system. Your CPU probably takes around 80W load

 

[trt740]

clock speed aren't everything. What about pixel pipelines? What about the 256-bit memory bus?

Well it's has shader processors and has 36 of them and they are faster and more advanced then pixel pipes. As for the ring bus, ram speed and core speed can make that up. Also so you know I'm a ATI fanboy but the truth is the truth I've owned a x1800 gto, 1800xt,x1900gt, x1900xt, 7900 gt, 7900gtx, 8600 gts 256, 8800 gts 320, 8800 gts 640, 8800 gtx 768. I'm here to tell you the 8600 gts is a very fast card. I know I've owned almost every card out due to my ebay buisness. The 8600 gt 256 is almost 35 percent faster than a 7600gt 256 and a 8600 gts 512mb is as fast or faster, than a 7900gtx, plus has dx10. I've had them both. My favorite card of all time was my x1900xt then my 8800 gtx then 8600gts in that order.

 

[pt]

@trt
my hd2600xt has 120 shaders
just not as fast as the gts ones

 

[trt740]

@trt
my hd2600xt has 120 shaders
just not as fast as the gts ones

Just as the 2900xt has three times the 8800 gtx but it's are faster and so is the gtx performance, so PT whats your point. They look better but are Slower performance wise? Don't get me wrong I really like the 2900xt very good card but a whole lot of wasted potential. If I had crossfire I would buy a 2900xt without question. The 2600xt 512mb is a good card but slower than a 8600 gts. if your going to buy a dx9 card buy a 7900 gto it can be oced to 7900gtx speeds and can be had on ebay for 140.00. The 7900 gs is junk the 7800 gtx 256 is good as is the 7900gt . The x1900 pro is okay but the x1900xt is better for dx9.