Raw Deal from Mushkin Memory

[Dippyskoodlez]

Patriot XBL runs at 1T without a problem. I don't know why the Mushkin refuses to run at
1T. I tried one stick at a time, no 1T that way either. I suppose the wife will have to be satisfied with the setting of 2T, she never complains as long as the system keeps running stable. As long as never a problem, she is very happy. I think I will just leave it this way.

your sig says 2x 512... if your running 3x 512, or 4x512 you arent going to get 1t on an a64.

 

[bobyjo]

I'm sorry. We have two systems with AV8 boards.
I have the Patriot in mine and the Mushkin in the wifes.

 

[DanishDevil]

your sig says 2x 512... if your running 3x 512, or 4x512 you arent going to get 1t on an a64.

You most likely will with a Revision E CPU (Venice/SanDiego). Earlier than that is pure luck. Also, if you're running 3x512, youk're an idiot because you won't get DC.

 

[bobyjo]

We have two of these AV8 systems.
Each of them has 2x512 sticks of memory.
Does this make you feel better?

 

[Megatron]

You most likely will with a Revision E CPU (Venice/SanDiego). Earlier than that is pure luck. Also, if you're running 3x512, youk're an idiot because you won't get DC.

I have 2 * 256Mb which will do 250 2226 1t in dual channel but I prefer to run 210 2226 2t with 2 * 512Mb + 1 * 256Mb. I only run 3 sticks cause my cpu cooler obstructs the 4th dimm slot. I am aware that Im not in dual channel but I am prepared to lose 2% performance for less disk access in applications like battlefield 1942. I always run a trimmed down os so I dont have any trouble with my available ram size.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

I have 2 * 256Mb which will do 250 2226 1t in dual channel but I prefer to run 210 2226 2t with 2 * 512Mb + 1 * 256Mb. I only run 3 sticks cause my cpu cooler obstructs the 4th dimm slot. I am aware that Im not in dual channel but I am prepared to lose 2% performance for less disk access in applications like battlefield 1942. I always run a trimmed down os so I dont have any trouble with my available ram size.

yeah... in raw memory performance, dual channel is very nice, but in real performance, its extremely over rated.

Especially if your comparing 512mb ram Vs 1gb, its just a no brainer

 

[bobyjo]

I have 2 * 256Mb which will do 250 2226 1t in dual channel but I prefer to run 210 2226 2t with 2 * 512Mb + 1 * 256Mb. I only run 3 sticks cause my cpu cooler obstructs the 4th dimm slot. I am aware that Im not in dual channel but I am prepared to lose 2% performance for less disk access in applications like battlefield 1942. I always run a trimmed down os so I dont have any trouble with my available ram size.

Why in the world do you want to use 2x512's and 1x256 sticks?
The reduction in performance is so that you probably loose the benefits of the 256mb of memory.
I suggest if you want more than 1gb of memory.
You should get yourself 2x1gb sticks.
That way you can run at 1T and 400mhz also.

 

[Megatron]

You really sound like ur in love with dual channel. Go make a couple of benchmarks and tell me that Im missing something. I am also running 2t, shock horror.

I just upgraded most of my pc, I got a heatsink which is incompatable with running 4 dimms, I got a x800gt and I would have probably paid the differenece if the x800gto2 was available at the time. I have 4 dimms of DDR which are still apparently up there with the best for low timings ect. The fact that u can run a divider with 64-bit systems shouldnt be overlooked. DDR2 will make RAM upgrade essential the next upgrade I do most likely. Now tell me why I want to spend more money on upgrading non essential things and in the case of the ram for performance I wont probably notice and will devalue sharply when I go to sell it.

When they doubled the price of the top graphics cards out there I stopped trying to compete with people who can buy 2 at once and afford to have "accidents" which liquid nitrogen and voltmods, Ive come to value having a reliable pc more than running it to an early grave.

 

[bobyjo]

It is a proven fact that dual channel does add to the performance level of a system.
The 1T over 2T is also a proven fact it does add to the performance level of the system. Now I agree that either is not a gangbuster of an increase.
The simple fact is that you put together several of these small enhancements and you will outscore most everyone else in benchmarks and visual performance also.
You can take 2x1gb sticks of memory of the right latency and timings, they will run at 1T and the memory will run at 400 or whatever you have OC set to.
Now there is a big difference between 333 & 400 mhz in memory settings.
These are three settings that will give you at least a 10% increase over not having these at your disposal.
It all depends on how professional you are in your setup.
Most people that just say that won't make much difference anyway.
Winds up with a HA performing system.
Just don't know the difference.

However I do agree with you on graphics cards. Get yourself one great performing card. The X850 XTpe is just the card to do exactly this. Of course the 7800GT will also, I don't want to leave nVidia out.
You will outperform the dual 6600's and probably the dual 6800's. Most cannot afford dual 7800's so that is nothing to be concerned over.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

It is a proven fact that dual channel does add to the performance level of a system.
The 1T over 2T is also a proven fact it does add to the performance level of the system. Now I agree that either is not a gangbuster of an increase.
The simple fact is that you put together several of these small enhancements and you will outscore most everyone else in benchmarks and visual performance also.

Ofcourse its a proven fact that it helps- why else would we be using it?

3fps..

What a huge performance boost it is too.

1-2%? That 1-5% at most isnt even noticable..

It may matter to a benchmarker who's trying to get that extra 1s in superpi, but for 99% of people, its not vital and is in fact over rated..

I've won many matches in wolfenstein and fragged thousand of people in wolf/UT.

Guess what. I have always run either 3-3-3-10 2T, or 2.5-3-3-7 and haven't had dual channel at all using my athlon 64..

My FPS have always been "playable".. timings and dual channel is so hyped up these days, people freak out if you have a loose timing, or not working in dual channel..

Granted a good framerate is important, but theres also the requirement of skill that goes along with doing well in games.. I've always been atleast in the "good" category for most games, and ive always been very behind on system ram (512 for a good long time now) and video wise, way behind.. using a Ti4200 when it was 9700pro dominating, and recently an X700pro.

Its good to have all the goodies, but most people need to sit and ENJOY the goodies

 

[bobyjo]

Just to see how your system is performing.
Why don't you download this (new) benchmarking tool. (GunMetal Benchmarking Tool 2) This one benchs your cpu, memory and video card.
Looks as if the scenes are from Halo, I could be wrong but there are some that looks familiar from Halo.
There are two benchmarks in the program.
When you run each one, it saves the specs in a file for viewing.
I posted my results in OC'ing forum under ATI video cards.
Just so if you or anyone else would like to look at them.
I have no idea if my specs are good, bad, or what.
Due to the fact I have no data to compare to.
If you were to download this bench tool, then we could at least compare your data against mine.
Just for the fun of it.

 

[Zebbo]

Ofcourse its a proven fact that it helps- why else would we be using it?

3fps..

What a huge performance boost it is too.

1-2%? That 1-5% at most isnt even noticable..

You see, there's people who likes to get every single percent of performance out of their systems. They need that extra 5% of performance if they are able to get it (you can count me in)

 

[Duonger]

bobyjo

do me a favor and call 800-569-1868 and ask for brian. he will walk you through the install and troubleshooting.

Duonger

 

[bobyjo]

The memory is already installed.
I have checked each stick one at a time.
With both sticks installed SPD @ 2,2,2,6 or timings or 2,2,2,5 will not run at 1T.
The wife is happy with the system as it is.
I see no farther discussion on this is necessary.
Her system is running a Winchester processor.
Mine is running a Venice, that may be a reason.

 

[Duonger]

ok i just want to make sure you are satisfied with your purchase.

As always, i will be around to assist.

Duonger

 

[bobyjo]

I would be happier if the memory would run at 1T.
It don't and there is nothing Mushkin will do to change this.
The memory I have is TCC5 on BrainPower PCB's and I was astonished that it would not run at 1T.
The Patriot XBLK runs at 2,2,2,5,1T and simply loves it in this AV8.
I installed the Patriot sticks and ran the 3DMark benchs, three of them. T
here was about 20%increase in performance between Corsair 2.5,3,3,8,2T and the Patiot 2,2,2,5,1T.
I was extactic with this increase in performance.
The Patriot is TCCD chips on BrainPower PCB's and I thought if I got some more memory with the basic same configerations.
The new memory would perform the same.
There is no increase in performance between the Corsair memory and the Mushkin memory.
I firmly believe this is the difference between the timings and 2T to 1T. 2,2,2,5,1T compared to 2,3,2,6,2T is not all that different.
So I may be looking at the wrong component in the performance arena.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

I would be happier if the memory would run at 1T.
It don't and there is nothing Mushkin will do to change this.
The memory I have is TCC5 on BrainPower PCB's and I was astonished that it would not run at 1T.
The Patriot XBLK runs at 2,2,2,5,1T and simply loves it in this AV8.
I installed the Patriot sticks and ran the 3DMark benchs, three of them. T
here was about 20%increase in performance between Corsair 2.5,3,3,8,2T and the Patiot 2,2,2,5,1T.
I was extactic with this increase in performance.
The Patriot is TCCD chips on BrainPower PCB's and I thought if I got some more memory with the basic same configerations.
The new memory would perform the same.
There is no increase in performance between the Corsair memory and the Mushkin memory.
I firmly believe this is the difference between the timings and 2T to 1T. 2,2,2,5,1T compared to 2,3,2,6,2T is not all that different.
So I may be looking at the wrong component in the performance arena.

I'm assuming your NOT running the spd timings, so it may be a bios issue....

My dfi didnt like my adata, or a few other things, but other stuff ran perfectly fine, swapped bios's and it cleared it all up.

 

[bobyjo]

TCCD chips were the only memory I could find that really would run in my AV8.
I have some Samsung 2x256 sticks that are old, I have 2x512 sticks of Corsair that is about a year old, I have New Crucial 2x256mb sticks will not post in the AV8, The Samsung will run in either AV8 if I manually set everything in bios, Corsair will run if I set the command rate to 2T in either AV8, Crucial is a lost cause in my case.
The Patriot is a super performer in either AV8.
Mushkin will run at SPD if I set the command rate to 2T.
It does not matter what timings I set manually, just will start loading Win and reboot, unless set to 2T.

 

[bobyjo]

I would like to trade this Mushkin XP3200 Black Extreme Performance 1gb kit for the same in Patriot XBLK memory.