Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[Scrizz]

thx

 

[Waldoinsc]

X1950xt crossfire (ie x1950xtx)

3DConnect X1950XT CF, err... x1950xtx...well, its the R580+ with GDDR4. Anyhow...what's the best aftermarket cooler for this card? I want to get rid of the leafblower it came with.

I have it mounted in a small formfactor, so the cooler cannot extend above the top of the card or the card won't fit. Any suggestions?

 

[tkpenalty]

err, you are pretty much out of options mate... a VF900CU isnt a very great solution since it wont take that much heat and an Accelero....is too tall. Actually, buy the accelero, then remove the black plastic shroud (and fan that hangs off the side) and bolt two 80mm fans onto it, covering all the fins, it has been shown it runs roughly 10~15*C Cooler in this this setup. Like from 70*C Load to 60*C load, something like that, in this setup it kills a VF900CU.

 

[imperialreign]

err, you are pretty much out of options mate... a VF900CU isnt a very great solution since it wont take that much heat and an Accelero....is too tall. Actually, buy the accelero, then remove the black plastic shroud (and fan that hangs off the side) and bolt two 80mm fans onto it, covering all the fins, it has been shown it runs roughly 10~15*C Cooler in this this setup. Like from 70*C Load to 60*C load, something like that, in this setup it kills a VF900CU.

I gotta keep that in mind after I snag an AX2

got a little held up on that purchase - I bought the new mobo and had a completel brainfart forgetting that Intel board only supported DDR while the ASUS uses DDR2 - man I felt stoopid! Opened the box, pulled out the board, lokoed at the slots . . . "G*Ditt!!" So had to dump another $150 on 2Gb. Oh well . . . just a little oversight!

BTW - anyone know what kind of GDDR3 timings work well on the 1950 Pros? I'm thinking about trying to tweak some of the timings, but I've got to use RaBit and flash the BIOS for each change. The mobo BIOS has a lot of tweaks for the PCI-E slots, along with the other sys components - jut trying to get everything to work as fluid as possible, y'know?

 

[tkpenalty]

nope... they kill peformance easily.

 

[Scrizz]

nope... they kill peformance easily.

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[tkpenalty]

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loosesning the timings.

 

[erocker]

I'm starting to wonder when they are going to start putting xt cores into pro boards like they used to? With the card being discontinued soon hopefully we will see some.

 

[Scrizz]

loosesning the timings.

ok

yah i hope they start putting xt cores in pros

 

[tkpenalty]

err that wont ever happen. Considering the fact that the X1950XT draws much more power in comparison, you cannot run it on the same PCB whatsoever, and besides... let it die , R580+s are different to RV570s anyway... I assume they use a different socket as well.

 

[imperialreign]

I assume they use a different socket as well.

more than likely . . . although, are the GPU's even removable from their socket? I mean, when I had taken the stock cooler off just to have a look at the GPU, you can easily see the socket base, but it didn't look like it was removable at all. Prob wouldn't make a difference, anyhow - it's not like you can go GPU swapping like you can a CPU.

 

[Wile E]

more than likely . . . although, are the GPU's even removable from their socket? I mean, when I had taken the stock cooler off just to have a look at the GPU, you can easily see the socket base, but it didn't look like it was removable at all. Prob wouldn't make a difference, anyhow - it's not like you can go GPU swapping like you can a CPU.

No, they're soldered on.

 

[imperialreign]

No, they're soldered on.

That doesn't surprise me! I woulda figured they'd do something like that - all though, I must say, they leave it looking quite the opposite!!

nope... they kill peformance easily.

I was wanting to tighten the timings a little. Actually, I went ahead and did such, and recieved quite a surprise! Here:

before tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4039
after tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4429

quite a jump, I'd say!! I wasn't expecting that tightening up the timings on the GDDR would yield such an improvement! I think I'm going to go ahead and experiment with these timings a little more!

 

[erocker]

They'll have plenty of leftover dx9 parts. I'm sure something will happen Tk... It always does.

 

[erocker]

That doesn't surprise me! I woulda figured they'd do something like that - all though, I must say, they leave it looking quite the opposite!!



I was wanting to tighten the timings a little. Actually, I went ahead and did such, and recieved quite a surprise! Here:

before tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4039
after tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4429

quite a jump, I'd say!! I wasn't expecting that tightening up the timings on the GDDR would yield such an improvement! I think I'm going to go ahead and experiment with these timings a little more!

Nice man!!!

 

[tkpenalty]

They'll have plenty of leftover dx9 parts. I'm sure something will happen Tk... It always does.

Probably, but it wont work. RV580 has no chance of working on the X1950PRO's PCB. It will still be sold as a X1950XT but at a very low price. Still, if you say that, then why are they still selling X800GTOs? Left over probably, but when i got my second 9550 (first one had shitty memory), it was manufactured only a month earlier, and this was in late 2006 (one odd thing though... i remember joining TPU the year before).

 

[tkpenalty]

Far out... after flashing it with a stock bios.... the fan still makes a buzzing noise.. wtf? What the hell do i do now T_T. Some reason the plastic shroud doesnt budge as well, i cant seem to remove it. Err help guys? T_T.

 

[Siluro]

The X1600Pro core won't overclock more than 621 either. I think it's some limitation on RV5x0 cores in general.

 

[Waldoinsc]

err, you are pretty much out of options mate... a VF900CU isnt a very great solution since it wont take that much heat and an Accelero....is too tall. Actually, buy the accelero, then remove the black plastic shroud (and fan that hangs off the side) and bolt two 80mm fans onto it, covering all the fins, it has been shown it runs roughly 10~15*C Cooler in this this setup. Like from 70*C Load to 60*C load, something like that, in this setup it kills a VF900CU.

Thanks for the mod to the mod idea...sounds like it'll work. Gotta get an Accelero.

 

[imperialreign]

I was wanting to tighten the timings a little. Actually, I went ahead and did such, and recieved quite a surprise! Here:

before tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4039
after tweaking, 3DMark06 at defaults: 4429

quite a jump, I'd say!! I wasn't expecting that tightening up the timings on the GDDR would yield such an improvement! I think I'm going to go ahead and experiment with these timings a little more!

well, so far, tightening the DRAM timings a little seems to yield more of an improvement than adjusting them a whole lot. It also appears that the tighter timings show a better response at stock clocks than with the core/mem at even a 5% OC. For example, at default timings but running 614/742 I pulled 4324 in 3M06, but using tighter timings at that same OC, I only saw 4325.

Somehow, though, this doesn't seem to surprise me all that much - that tweaking the DRAM timings gives better results than OCing. Although, I get the feeling that there is that 'sweet spot' where just the right timing to overclock ratio will show even better results - now just to find it . . .

I'm still going to mess with things a bit more later, as of now my rig is getting a tick warm and the results are starting to suffer from it.

 

[tkpenalty]

The X1600Pro core won't overclock more than 621 either. I think it's some limitation on RV5x0 cores in general.

Yeah... it is. 5xx cores will need voltage mods any speed higher than 621... HIS are premodded with higher voltages for their rev.1 iceQ III turbo.

 

[Autiem Sel]

Hi, I have overclocked my his x1950pro agp to 614/783 and scored 5612 on 3dmark06.
Is this a decent score for my setup?
However, other similar systems were scoring ~9000 with slower cpu/gpu clocks, and wondered how they are achieving this. Could these systems be running in crossfire though not listed in their specs?

 

[tkpenalty]

Yes they have to be.

 

[Autiem Sel]

Urr seems obvious now, cheers.

Is it just the HIS x1950 that has trouble with gpu overclocking? (in fact I had to downclock mine) ...as I noticed others were getting 650-660. Would these be other brand x1950s or is there a way the HIS card could be pushed that far?

 

[imperialreign]

Sending out the new mobo tomorrow for an RMA

Oh well . . . gonna put together the eMachines rig (which will be my secondary work horse), throw the old Intel mobo back in that case, set up the MCE OS . . . not much to OC or tweak with, though

But, I do have a couple of old ATi cards laying around I'm going to see if I can't OC the crap out of - first off will be this VisionTek Radeon X1300, carrying an impressive 512MB GDDR2, clocks at 450/533. I'm curious as to how far I can push that card.

Next on my hit list is an even older ATi Radeon X700 PRO, packing 256MB GDDR3 and clocks set at 425/432. I kinda get the feeling this card will end up surprising me (during it's previous installation, I managed a near about 15% OC easily, without any major jumps in the card's temps).




hey, I gotta find ways to entertain myself until my mobo gets back, right?!!