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Most Taiwanese Motherboard Manufacturers Fake FCC/CE Compliancy for EMI

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This is rather unfortunate, considering that the majority of our motherboards are made in Taiwan. DailyTech did some true journalism, and looked into the famed Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3. It seems that after a few months, the DS3's have their fair share of electronic noise, and some issues with reliability/interference. And so, an independent firm sent some DS3 samples to FCC labs to confirm that they indeed did comply with FCC regulations for Electro-Magnetic Interference. Electro-Magnetic Interference does a lot of things to our beloved technology, such as disrupt, obstruct or simply degrade them. Two out of three samples failed terribly. When the same samples were sent to a European lab to test for CE compliance, all of the boards failed. This means that the tens of thousands of motherboards currently in systems world-wide do not comply with FCC/CE regulations for EMI.

The larger problem is not that the consumer is getting a bad product: it's that most Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers are faking FCC/CE compliance. They simply stick an FCC logo on their motherboard so that it can sell in America/Europe. Even worse: if they are caught, there are rarely any repercussions. A Taiwanese motherboard engineer, who wished to remain anonymous, claims that EMI regulation compliance is, in general, faked across the industry. "If we claim to pass FCC and in actuality we do not, it's just a conscience problem. Some manufacturers put the FCC logo on their product even though they don't send in to any lab. If they are lucky, they go by. If they are unlucky, they get fined by the government or in some serious case, issue a product recall."

Conversations with other representatives reveal even in the instances of serious violation, vendors receive little official recourse.

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If you really want them to pass. Your going to have to pay MORE. Right now, it's almost amazing that you can buy a top of the line board for under 500USD to me.
 

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That sucks, I have a P35-DS3R and I just built a computer for a friend with using the same board
 

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Consider me ignorant, I like lower prices :toast:

Hopefully someone won't tell me what not passing EMI can do so I can live easier not knowing :laugh:
 
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im scared to turn the pc off, incase it wont reboot!

I'm scared that I'm going sterile. Time to buy more cable and move the PC outside.
 

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I'm scared that I'm going sterile. Time to buy more cable and move the PC outside.

I have a Gigabyte motherboard and am hoping that this is not the case with mine. I too am scared for all my precious little swimming theonetruewill's.:eek:
 
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I have a Gigabyte motherboard and am hoping that this is not the case with mine. I too am scared for all my precious little swimming theonetruewill's.:eek:

Yes, preservation of the genetic line at all costs... speaking of which, nice avitar!!! :laugh:
 

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I'm gonna put 1 PC on each side of my sack if that what the end result is! I have 2 kids and that's enough for me. Thanks for the free sterilization Gigabyte! Rather painless considering the alternative as well.......
 
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Consider me ignorant, I like lower prices :toast:

Hopefully someone won't tell me what not passing EMI can do so I can live easier not knowing :laugh:


when it knock out you or yuh madda pacemaker lets see how funny you find it ...
 

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You know....your wifi card/cell phone will emit more energy than your motherboard....if you really want to go sterile....well I don't want to think about it. Anyways...if you keep your phone in your pocket, whenever you receive a call, your phone starts to power up the radio to a stronger setting.....and I haven't heard of any cell phone users going sterile. Although using a comp to go sterile would be a good excuse to get a new comp.
 
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eVGA better not be in this boat!!
 

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Is that EMI the same thing coming out of some cheap PSU, that cause terrible interference to DVB-T receiver signals? I've seen television picture to go green (not that kind of green) when one of these cheapo PSUs was turned in in 2 meters distance.

If it's the same thing, good luck trying to put a tv-tuner card to these motherboard (and yes I read that the study was funded by competition :p) Time to pull out those tin hats again =)
 

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Regardless of whether or not that particular board has a problem, DailyTech determined that this problem is a widespread thing across Taiwanese board manufacturers.

So we're ALL going to be sterile!!! All of TPU... :roll:
 

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So we're ALL going to be sterile!!! All of TPU... :roll:

Why is this a bad thing? No more wasted money on condoms and time pulling out.
 
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the level of EMI exposure, even over 50 years at such a small amount as a mobo puts out, will not do anything wrong to you...

what sucks is, they are skimming the reqs though. 500 for a motherboard is the stupidest thing to suggest, regardless.
 
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Regardless of whether or not that particular board has a problem, DailyTech determined that this problem is a widespread thing across Taiwanese board manufacturers.

Is it? Have you read the link posted? I am in this business for many, many years and I know how competition can put a bad light on other company! So you just take DailyTech word for granted. That's it... No more different opinion... Strange...
 
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