• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Qualcomm Allegedly Preparing a Rival to Apple M SoC, Codenamed Hamoa

AleksandarK

News Editor
Staff member
Joined
Aug 19, 2017
Messages
2,302 (0.92/day)
Qualcomm has been working on its Snapdragon SoCs for quite some time now, with massive success in the mobile phone space. However, the company's processors needed to be up to the task regarding laptops. For a user to not look at x86 offerings, the only remaining performant alternatives are Apple's M processors. In 2021 Qualcomm purchased the Nuvia team that was developing massively efficient and high-performance IP for laptops, similar to Apple M processors. Today, according to the insights from Kuba Wojciechowski (@Za_Raczke) on Twitter, we have some potential information about the upcoming Nuvia-powered SoC codenamed Hamoa.

According to the Twitter thread, Qualcomm's Hamoa processors are part of the Snapdragon 8xc Gen 4 compute platform and feature up to eight high-performance P-cores and four low-power E-cores, all based on Nuvia's IP. Allegedly the P-cores are being tested at 3.4 GHz, while the E-cores are tested at 2.5 GHz. The SoC splits CPU cores into blocks, each being a four-core group with 12 MB of shared L2 cache. There is also an 8 MB L3 cache structure; it needs to be clarified whether it is per core block or for the entire SoC. The chip employs 12 MB of system-level cache, with 4 MB of memory for graphics-related tasks handled by iGPU. The iGPU of choice is Adreno 740, with all modern APIs supported. Discrete graphics solutions are supported by the top-end SKUs, which allow eight PCIe 4.0 lanes to be directed toward dGPU, along with an additional four PCIe 4.0 lanes for NVMe SSD. For RAM, the chip uses up to 64 GBs of LPDDR5X eight-channel memory with up to 4.2 GHz speeds. Chip's media engines are structured to support decoding up to 4K120 and encode up to 4K60 with AV1.



View at TechPowerUp Main Site | Source
 
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
7,514 (3.87/day)
System Name Bragging Rights
Processor Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz
Motherboard It has no markings but it's green
Cooling No, it's a 2.2W processor
Memory 2GB DDR3L-1333
Video Card(s) Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz)
Storage 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3
Display(s) 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz
Case Veddha T2
Audio Device(s) Apparently, yes
Power Supply Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger
Mouse MX Anywhere 2
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all)
VR HMD Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though....
Software W10 21H1, barely
Benchmark Scores I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000.
The reason Apple's M-silicon is doing so well is that their emulation is top-notch.

Microsoft couldn't find their own arse last time they tried emulating x86 code on ARM. Let's hope they wake up before it's too late this time around...
 
Joined
Sep 26, 2022
Messages
184 (0.29/day)
And to do what exactly ? Run Windows or android tablet on ARM ?

Apple succeed first and foremost because of their OS and APIs, the Unix kernels supported ARM since forever and it was easy for most pro apps to migrate to M1 (nodejs, java, visual studio code, docker etc.) and for those who did not/could not, Rosetta stone 2 is an amazing API tbh, have 0 issues on my professional macbook, I waited until the 14" released for the softwares to catch up and frankly never looked back. For productivity a macbook M1/M2 is really a solid choice.

Snapdragon Hamoa may be an interesting ARM SoC, it will be severely restricted by the OS layer
 
Joined
Dec 12, 2016
Messages
1,384 (0.51/day)
Most people who are not interested in x86 laptops will get an Apple product.

Qualcomm might be successful if they concentrate purely on Chromebooks and Android tablets. Going after the traditional laptop space will be a hard sale.

AMD, Intel and Apple SoCs are very capable and compatible.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,349 (4.03/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
TPU polls strike again. Ask us if we are interested in it, not if we will buy something that we obviously don't know how will perform, or what will be the general support for.
Or how much it will cost.
 
D

Deleted member 185088

Guest
Why emulate X86, get a proper X86 CPU, and avoid any issues, they run natively X86 nothing comes close to that, plus they are very efficient now.

Most people don't need powerful hardware, they just browse the web, consume media with basic word and Excel stuff, just make the CPUs cheap with huge battery life.
 
Joined
Dec 25, 2020
Messages
5,017 (3.97/day)
Location
São Paulo, Brazil
System Name Project Kairi Mk. IV "Eternal Thunder"
Processor 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition
Motherboard MSI MEG Z690 ACE (MS-7D27) BIOS 1G
Cooling Noctua NH-D15S + NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 w/ Thermalright BCF and NT-H1
Memory G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5-6800 F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 6400 MT/s 30-38-38-38-70-2
Video Card(s) ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition
Storage 1x WD Black SN750 500 GB NVMe + 4x WD VelociRaptor HLFS 300 GB HDDs
Display(s) 55-inch LG G3 OLED
Case Cooler Master MasterFrame 700
Audio Device(s) EVGA Nu Audio (classic) + Sony MDR-V7 cans
Power Supply EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold
Mouse Microsoft Ocean Plastic Mouse
Keyboard Galax Stealth
Software Windows 10 Enterprise 22H2
Benchmark Scores "Speed isn't life, it just makes it go faster."
The reason Apple's M-silicon is doing so well is that their emulation is top-notch.

Microsoft couldn't find their own arse last time they tried emulating x86 code on ARM. Let's hope they wake up before it's too late this time around...

I don't think it's just emulation capabilities, the M1 walks all over the Snapdragon 8cx and even the 888, iirc it's actually even a bit faster than the 8+ Gen 1 on Geekbench, which is about all we have to work with. And by M1 I mean the basic M1 released in 2020, anything else is just icing on the cake, if Qualcomm wants a processor which can go toe to toe with the M2 Max and an eventual M2 Ultra, they certainly have their work cut out for them. A lot of our perceived positive view of Snapdragon is because they have the fastest Android SoC performance, but it's very easy to see how anemic even the 8+ Gen 1 can be when compared to a PC-grade ARM SoC from Apple, or even the A16 Bionic. Apple Silicon is basically uncontested in this space.
 
Joined
Dec 28, 2012
Messages
3,553 (0.85/day)
System Name Skunkworks
Processor 5800x3d
Motherboard x570 unify
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A
Memory 32GB 3600 mhz
Video Card(s) asrock 6800xt challenger D
Storage Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB
Display(s) Asus 1440p144 27"
Case Old arse cooler master 932
Power Supply Corsair 1200w platinum
Mouse *squeak*
Keyboard Some old office thing
Software openSUSE tumbleweed/Mint 21.2
The reason Apple's M-silicon is doing so well is that their emulation is top-notch.

Microsoft couldn't find their own arse last time they tried emulating x86 code on ARM. Let's hope they wake up before it's too late this time around...
Vertical monopolies are amazing arn't they?

Without apple's software support the M1 would suck hard. We saw it with non M1 optimized apps when it launched, anything apple didnt tweak performed very poorly. Which no duh, you can hyper optimize anything for a specific chip/arch and get better performance, see also how game consoles worked for over 20 years. Any PC based chip is going to be handicapped by needing to support a wide band of software, on a wide band of systems, with multiple manufacturers and an OS that was built around x86.

This is the benefit of x86, it is a very flexible arch, and the cthulu - tier labyrinth of instructions can support a lot of varied operations to overcome the lack of vertical integration in the PC space. ARM, not so much.
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
2,848 (2.27/day)
Location
Slovenia
Processor i5-6600K
Motherboard Asus Z170A
Cooling some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar
Memory 16GB DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) IGP
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Display(s) 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200
Case Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh
Audio Device(s) E-mu 1212m PCI
Power Supply Seasonic G-360
Mouse Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse
Keyboard Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994
Software Oldwin
Vertical monopolies are amazing arn't they?

Without apple's software support the M1 would suck hard. We saw it with non M1 optimized apps when it launched, anything apple didnt tweak performed very poorly. Which no duh, you can hyper optimize anything for a specific chip/arch and get better performance, see also how game consoles worked for over 20 years. Any PC based chip is going to be handicapped by needing to support a wide band of software, on a wide band of systems, with multiple manufacturers and an OS that was built around x86.

This is the benefit of x86, it is a very flexible arch, and the cthulu - tier labyrinth of instructions can support a lot of varied operations to overcome the lack of vertical integration in the PC space. ARM, not so much.
The absence of vertical integration is not preventing MS from optimising Windows, Office, and x86 app emulation for Arm. Not any Arm but one specific architecture by QC.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,349 (4.03/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
The absence of vertical integration is not preventing MS from optimising Windows, Office, and x86 app emulation for Arm. Not any Arm but one specific architecture by QC.
The absence of vertical integration "prevents" MS from even adding proper support for Alder Lake to Win10. But I still loathe Apple's walled garden more.
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2005
Messages
5,389 (0.76/day)
Location
Ikenai borderline!
System Name Firelance.
Processor Threadripper 3960X
Motherboard ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming
Cooling IceGem 360 + 6x Arctic Cooling P12
Memory 8x 16GB Patriot Viper DDR4-3200 CL16
Video Card(s) MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Ventus 2X OC
Storage 2TB WD SN850X (boot), 4TB Crucial P3 (data)
Display(s) 3x AOC Q32E2N (32" 2560x1440 75Hz)
Case Enthoo Pro II Server Edition (Closed Panel) + 6 fans
Power Supply Fractal Design Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Logitech G613
Software Windows 10 Professional x64
I don't want anything with a Crapdragon in it, TBH.
 
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
682 (0.10/day)
I don't think it's just emulation capabilities, the M1 walks all over the Snapdragon 8cx and even the 888, iirc it's actually even a bit faster than the 8+ Gen 1 on Geekbench, which is about all we have to work with. And by M1 I mean the basic M1 released in 2020, anything else is just icing on the cake, if Qualcomm wants a processor which can go toe to toe with the M2 Max and an eventual M2 Ultra, they certainly have their work cut out for them. A lot of our perceived positive view of Snapdragon is because they have the fastest Android SoC performance, but it's very easy to see how anemic even the 8+ Gen 1 can be when compared to a PC-grade ARM SoC from Apple, or even the A16 Bionic. Apple Silicon is basically uncontested in this space.
Note that the guys that did the heavy lift up at Apple on the ARM core left the company and created Nuvia. That was bought by Qualcomm and they are developping this CPU. If they were able to do it for apple, they can do it for ARM. (And also we need to remember that Apple had a node advantage with M1, since they lost that, they are more in the pack than at the front)

As for the emulation of x86, it should be resolved by now (i don't mean it is, but this is a resolved problem). All apps from the Microsoft Store should provide ARM binary (if it's not already the case). For the non-store apps. Microsoft could implement a recompiler that would just create an ARM executable at first launch or in background so the application could just run native without having to do Just in Time emulation.

From my understanding, this is mostly what Apple did for M1 and it was fine. Those laptop with this kind of emulation would be good enough for the vast majority of users. For games, i do not think it will be good enough even with an external GPU but we never know.

The main challenge will be the cost. They will need to produce higher performing laptop at cheaper cost or else, why anybody would care?

But a cheaper laptop with good battery life could have a good success.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,349 (4.03/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
I don't want anything with a Crapdragon in it, TBH.
Why? It's been working fine for phones. I mean, it still has to prove itself in laptops, but why would you reject it on principle?
 
Joined
Nov 4, 2005
Messages
11,757 (1.73/day)
System Name Compy 386
Processor 7800X3D
Motherboard Asus
Cooling Air for now.....
Memory 64 GB DDR5 6400Mhz
Video Card(s) 7900XTX 310 Merc
Storage Samsung 990 2TB, 2 SP 2TB SSDs, 24TB Enterprise drives
Display(s) 55" Samsung 4K HDR
Audio Device(s) ATI HDMI
Mouse Logitech MX518
Keyboard Razer
Software A lot.
Benchmark Scores Its fast. Enough.
Emulation by default should be slower unless it’s a move or fetch, as the addition of the translation in the emulator from one code to another adds at least one operating cycle. If it’s as fast it’s terrible code, if it’s faster whoever wrote it should be ashamed.
 
Joined
May 30, 2015
Messages
1,886 (0.57/day)
Location
Seattle, WA
Note that the guys that did the heavy lift up at Apple on the ARM core left the company and created Nuvia.

Some of the guys. The entire team behind ASi didn't just pack up and leave, only a handful of seniors did. Their experience will certainly help, but it wasn't a one-man-show to bring ASi from a 0.5-4W phone chip into a 25-40W performance chip.
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
2,848 (2.27/day)
Location
Slovenia
Processor i5-6600K
Motherboard Asus Z170A
Cooling some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar
Memory 16GB DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) IGP
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Display(s) 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200
Case Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh
Audio Device(s) E-mu 1212m PCI
Power Supply Seasonic G-360
Mouse Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse
Keyboard Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994
Software Oldwin
The absence of vertical integration "prevents" MS from even adding proper support for Alder Lake to Win10. But I still loathe Apple's walled garden more.
I agree, I'd just use larger scare quotes in your first sentence.
 
Joined
Dec 25, 2020
Messages
5,017 (3.97/day)
Location
São Paulo, Brazil
System Name Project Kairi Mk. IV "Eternal Thunder"
Processor 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition
Motherboard MSI MEG Z690 ACE (MS-7D27) BIOS 1G
Cooling Noctua NH-D15S + NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 w/ Thermalright BCF and NT-H1
Memory G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5-6800 F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 6400 MT/s 30-38-38-38-70-2
Video Card(s) ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition
Storage 1x WD Black SN750 500 GB NVMe + 4x WD VelociRaptor HLFS 300 GB HDDs
Display(s) 55-inch LG G3 OLED
Case Cooler Master MasterFrame 700
Audio Device(s) EVGA Nu Audio (classic) + Sony MDR-V7 cans
Power Supply EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold
Mouse Microsoft Ocean Plastic Mouse
Keyboard Galax Stealth
Software Windows 10 Enterprise 22H2
Benchmark Scores "Speed isn't life, it just makes it go faster."
Some of the guys. The entire team behind ASi didn't just pack up and leave, only a handful of seniors did. Their experience will certainly help, but it wasn't a one-man-show to bring ASi from a 0.5-4W phone chip into a 25-40W performance chip.

Indeed, and not only this: they had the complete set of engineers and Apple's blank check to get the job done. No company can afford Apple's budget for chipmaking, and this includes Intel.
 
Joined
Aug 30, 2006
Messages
7,200 (1.11/day)
System Name ICE-QUAD // ICE-CRUNCH
Processor Q6600 // 2x Xeon 5472
Memory 2GB DDR // 8GB FB-DIMM
Video Card(s) HD3850-AGP // FireGL 3400
Display(s) 2 x Samsung 204Ts = 3200x1200
Audio Device(s) Audigy 2
Software Windows Server 2003 R2 as a Workstation now migrated to W10 with regrets.
The future is not x86. I’m talking 20 years from now. Go back 25 years some very stupid decisions were made in CPU design where backwards compatibility esp software and OS made us end up with horrific memory, Netburst and cache designs. Had the CPU designers and Executives been braver at that point, we would be long rid of x86 and have much more powerful and efficient CPU infrastructure today.

I’m glad snapdragon is trying new stuff. But i doubt they will be successful. They are targeting the economy section of the market. And there’s not much profit down there and therefore not much margin to reinvest in R&D to stay ahead.

They ‘ll come up with a working third rate performer, and then slowly fall further and further behind. And the team will move on again.
 
Joined
Apr 18, 2019
Messages
2,170 (1.15/day)
Location
Olympia, WA
System Name Sleepy Painter
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus TuF Gaming X570-PLUS/WIFI
Cooling FSP Windale 6 - Passive
Memory 2x16GB F4-3600C16-16GVKC @ 16-19-21-36-58-1T
Video Card(s) MSI RX580 8GB
Storage 2x Samsung PM963 960GB nVME RAID0, Crucial BX500 1TB SATA, WD Blue 3D 2TB SATA
Display(s) Microboard 32" Curved 1080P 144hz VA w/ Freesync
Case NZXT Gamma Classic Black
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar D1
Power Supply Rosewill 1KW on 240V@60hz
Mouse Logitech MX518 Legend
Keyboard Red Dragon K552
Software Windows 10 Enterprise 2019 LTSC 1809 17763.1757
I don't want anything with a Crapdragon in it, TBH.
Intriguing.
Most folks usually swoon over Qualcomm (especially sat beside MediaTek and Samsung's Exynos).
That said, I could see a few 'non-performance-related' reasons why one might 'not like' the whole 'mobile SoC marketplace'. Ex: Most Qualcomm-based smartphones are extremely 'locked down'.

Regardless, I'm not sure whole else is making high performance ARM SoCs (for consumer applications) anymore, since nVidia is basically 'out' sans Nintendo Switch.

edit: I'm really surprised I didn't see any 'childish play' with the Codename.

Here, I'll start:
"I sure hope they don't "Ham" this up!
"AMD Genoa, meet QC Hamoa; we're 2/3 the way to a Charcuterie!"
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,349 (4.03/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
The future is not x86. I’m talking 20 years from now. Go back 25 years some very stupid decisions were made in CPU design where backwards compatibility esp software and OS made us end up with horrific memory, Netburst and cache designs. Had the CPU designers and Executives been braver at that point, we would be long rid of x86 and have much more powerful and efficient CPU infrastructure today.

I’m glad snapdragon is trying new stuff. But i doubt they will be successful. They are targeting the economy section of the market. And there’s not much profit down there and therefore not much margin to reinvest in R&D to stay ahead.

They ‘ll come up with a working third rate performer, and then slowly fall further and further behind. And the team will move on again.
Back then we also had Itanium or DEC Alpha. And other. None of them gained much traction.
And the answer to the question why?, is mostly: compilers. Compilers back then weren't as smart as they are today when you compile to some IR and then you take that and translate to whatever executable code you need. And we didn't have such smart compilers in part because CPUs weren't powerful enough.
 
Joined
Jan 14, 2019
Messages
10,241 (5.18/day)
Location
Midlands, UK
System Name Holiday Season Budget Computer (HSBC)
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7700X
Motherboard MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi
Cooling be quiet! Dark Rock 4
Memory 2x 16 GB Corsair Vengeance EXPO DDR5-6000
Video Card(s) Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 6500 XT 4 GB
Storage 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5"
Display(s) Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen
Case Kolink Citadel Mesh black
Audio Device(s) Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones
Power Supply Seasonic Prime GX-750
Mouse Logitech MX Master 2S
Keyboard Logitech G413 SE
Software Windows 10 Pro
I voted no because I want x86 to run Windows. I've never been a big fan of mobile architectures moving into desktop/laptop space. Quite the opposite, in fact. I'd much rather have an Atom based tablet, to be fair.
 
Joined
Feb 18, 2005
Messages
5,389 (0.76/day)
Location
Ikenai borderline!
System Name Firelance.
Processor Threadripper 3960X
Motherboard ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming
Cooling IceGem 360 + 6x Arctic Cooling P12
Memory 8x 16GB Patriot Viper DDR4-3200 CL16
Video Card(s) MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Ventus 2X OC
Storage 2TB WD SN850X (boot), 4TB Crucial P3 (data)
Display(s) 3x AOC Q32E2N (32" 2560x1440 75Hz)
Case Enthoo Pro II Server Edition (Closed Panel) + 6 fans
Power Supply Fractal Design Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Logitech G613
Software Windows 10 Professional x64
Intriguing.
Most folks usually swoon over Qualcomm (especially sat beside MediaTek and Samsung's Exynos).
That said, I could see a few 'non-performance-related' reasons why one might 'not like' the whole 'mobile SoC marketplace'. Ex: Most Qualcomm-based smartphones are extremely 'locked down'.

Regardless, I'm not sure whole else is making high performance ARM SoCs (for consumer applications) anymore, since nVidia is basically 'out' sans Nintendo Switch.

edit: I'm really surprised I didn't see any 'childish play' with the Codename.

Here, I'll start:
"I sure hope they don't "Ham" this up!
"AMD Genoa, meet QC Hamoa; we're 2/3 the way to a Charcuterie!"
I just wanted to make the pun on "Snapdragon", in reality I don't want anything with an Arm CPU in it. If I can't run Visual Studio on it (and VS for Mac doesn't count, nor does VS Code) then I'm not interested.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jan 14, 2019
Messages
10,241 (5.18/day)
Location
Midlands, UK
System Name Holiday Season Budget Computer (HSBC)
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7700X
Motherboard MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi
Cooling be quiet! Dark Rock 4
Memory 2x 16 GB Corsair Vengeance EXPO DDR5-6000
Video Card(s) Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 6500 XT 4 GB
Storage 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5"
Display(s) Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen
Case Kolink Citadel Mesh black
Audio Device(s) Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones
Power Supply Seasonic Prime GX-750
Mouse Logitech MX Master 2S
Keyboard Logitech G413 SE
Software Windows 10 Pro
I just wanted to make the pun on "Snapdragon", in reality I don't want anything with an Arm CPU in it. If I can't run Visual Studio on it (and VS for Mac doesn't code nor does VS Code) then I'm not interested.
Here's my pun: I don't want the ARM. I want the whole body. :D
 
Joined
May 3, 2018
Messages
2,433 (1.09/day)
Why just compare this to Apple Mx? For x86 I'd be much more inclined to go with Phoenix Point 7x40 series APU in the U class than Qualcomm. The only thing appealing about Qualcomm at this stage is 5G built into the SoC. Why we haven't got 4G/5G built into laptops already is a joke. Anyway I welcome more competition and I hope the Qualcomm is good, but I have no faith M$ can get x86 to run well on ARM. If we could install a linux distro that would be sweet.

To bad Apple has it's head up it's arse and doesn't just license their SoC to anyone. Revenue is revenue. This makes a strong case to separate the chip design group form the retail group, like Sony has done with their sensor division. Sony sell cameras sensors to whoever wants to buy them, including arch rivals like Nikon and Canon.
 
Top