NVIDIA Already Using Modified "12V-2x6" Power Connector on GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition

[AleksandarK]

A few days ago, we reported that NVIDIA and PCI-SIG have been doing some work around the existing controversial 12VHPWR power connector to make some improvements and prevent issues that happened along the way. Called 12V-2x6, the connector features minor revisions, and you can read more about it here. Today, we learn that NVIDIA has already been shipping implementations of the new 12V-2x6 connector in GeForce RTX 4070 graphics cards, confirmed by Igor's Lab. Majority of RTX 4070 cards from AIBs shipped with 8-pin PCI connector; however, it turns out that cards that didn't use the reference 12-pin connection carried a new 12V-2x6 revision.

Below, you can see the picture comparison with the connectors from the Founders Edition of GeForce RTX 4070 and RTX 4080. The new connector on the RTX 4070 has shorter sensing pins, which can detect whether the connector is fully plugged in. If not plugged all the way, the card will not draw the required maximum power load. This should, in theory, solve connector burning issues happening in the past; however, we are still left to see. In addition, we are not sure if this is the final implementation of the new connector, as the labeling refferest to it as "H+", whereas the new connector should carry the label "H++" on its module. Igor's Lab article notes, "Since the GeForce RTX 4070 FE, NVIDIA has already been using a modified 12VHPWR connector with significantly recessed pins! While the GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition still relies on the header from the CEM 5.0 with only 0.45 mm offset, the GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition has been using a modified variant with 1.7 mm inward offset since its launch, similar to the 12V-2x6 connector."



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[Bomby569]

That thing was disastrous and i don't even understand how people paid 2000$ and didn't complain about a badly designed fire hazard connector. GN didn't help at all.
Anyway now they have a rare specimen of a card with a badly designed connector and their value in the used market will go to shit. I can't say i'm sorry honestly.

 

[john_]

Nvidia managed to avoid a product recall here. Now they silently replace connectors to make their products more safe and at the same time avoid lawsuits.

GN didn't help at all.

GN helped to make the "problem" (for Nvidia) to go away in an instance.
No one really wondered how GN managed to create such a professional video? No one?

 

[Bomby569]

Nvidia managed to avoid a product recall here. Now they silently replace connectors to make their products more safe and at the same time avoid lawsuits.

the fact that the changes don't involve just the cables, and you can't even change this without a new part and soldering skills on the card side really tells you none of this was ok

 

[konga]

That thing was disastrous and i don't even understand how people paid 2000$ and didn't complain about a badly designed fire hazard connector. GN didn't help at all.
Anyway now they have a rare specimen of a card with a badly designed connector and their value in the used market will go to shit. I can't say i'm sorry honestly.

This is literally one of the solutions they proposed becoming reality, so did they really not help at all?

GN helped to make the "problem" (for Nvidia) to go away in an instance.
No one really wondered how GN managed to create such a professional video? No one?

Oh, please. GN is one of the most successful channels on tech youtube. Nobody wondered how they've made such a professional video because they've produced plenty of other professional videos on their own. GN has also slammed Nvidia repeatedly for the 40-series in reviews, but sure, they're paid off anyway I guess? lol

 

[R0H1T]

That thing was disastrous and i don't even understand how people paid 2000$ and didn't complain about a badly designed fire hazard connector. GN didn't help at all.
Anyway now they have a rare specimen of a card with a badly designed connector and their value in the used market will go to shit. I can't say i'm sorry honestly.

Why do you think anyone buying these is looking to offload them instantly on used car sales GPU market?

 

[Hyderz]

Early tech most likely always have some issues, I was dreading when I early purchased my rtx 3090 but turns out there was only a bios update for that vram thing…

 

[Bomby569]

Why do you think anyone buying these is looking to offload them instantly on used car sales GPU market?

did i say instantly? eventually, now, in a year, 2, 3, 4

 

[R0H1T]

And if it survives that long how is the connector bad? Most people don't go selling expensive GPU's unless they need a replacement, for whatever reason, or they need the money. Even if it was a bad design your circular arguments make very little sense!

 

[randomUser]

And the sense pins are already bent... lol

 

[john_]

Oh, please. GN is one of the most successful channels on tech youtube. Nobody wondered how they've made such a professional video because they've produced plenty of other professional videos on their own. GN has also slammed Nvidia repeatedly for the 40-series in reviews, but sure, they're paid off anyway I guess? lol

That's the idea. You have to go to one of the most respectful channels if you wish to have a success with such a kind of video.

The extend they gone in that video, I don't remember them going that far before. Even with other equipment catching fire, they where doing everything in their own labs. They weren't going checking connectors under microscopes, with high tech equipment in high tech labs. Talking about microscopic metal derbies and stuff, if I am remembering the video correctly. And who point them in that direction? I mean, who had the idea to check a simple connector in such a detail?
Then when the burning issue starting coming back those last months, this time with adapters that where suppose to fix this problem, Steve did in one of his videos a lengthy attempt to convince his audience that it was still a "user error". He wasn't looking as enthusiastic as usual in that part, but rather caution.

The above is my opinion of course.

Now GN slamming Nvidia? You being funny here. GN was Nvidia friendly for a very long time. They ridicule RX 6500 XT as they should but avoid doing the same about GTX 1630. Then in their latest video about the worst products of 2022, they remembered again the RX 6500XT and forgot the GTX 1630. And don't tell me "Come on. GTX 1630?". I don't point in that as a proof, just as an indication.

The only thing happening lately is that AMD had dropped it's prices in the floor, while Nvidia pushes an RTX 4000 series that people hate for it's prices and it's limitations. GN can't be Nvidia friendly here, audience will burn them. And that was proven a few weeks ago. Jaytwocents's channel - yeah that guy "Buy RTX 3090 now that you can at $1500") published a video review of the RTX 4060 Ti that was looking like an advertisement directly from Nvidia's marketing department that had to remove a few hours latter with a second video apologizing.

GN laughing at RTX 4000 prices to please the audience and realizing after many months that was ignoring AMD that AMD does exist as an alternative, is NOT "slamming Nvidia".

Now, please. I know that the huge majority will disagree, even strongly, with the above opinion about GN. So, let's not continue further about GN.

 

[Vayra86]

And if it survives that long how is the connector bad?

The connector has been used properly so it didn't exhibit failure. The connector however is still 'bad' in the sense of its design and accompanying risk.

Will be interesting to see if that issue becomes a used-card thing to mention at the advertisement. I think it will.

That's the idea. You have to go to one of the most respectful channels if you wish to have a success with such a kind of video.

The extend they gone in that video, I don't remember them going that far before. Even with other equipment catching fire, they where doing everything in their own labs. They weren't going checking connectors under microscopes, with high tech equipment in high tech labs. Talking about microscopic metal derbies and stuff, if I am remembering the video correctly. And who point them in that direction? I mean, who had the idea to check a simple connector in such a detail?
Then when the burning issue starting coming back those last months, this time with adapters that where suppose to fix this problem, Steve did in one of his videos a lengthy attempt to convince his audience that it was still a "user error". He wasn't looking as enthusiastic as usual in that part, but rather caution.

The above is my opinion of course.

Now GN slamming Nvidia? You being funny here. GN was Nvidia friendly for a very long time. They ridicule RX 6500 XT as they should but avoid doing the same about GTX 1630. Then in their latest video about the worst products of 2022, they remembered again the RX 6500XT and forgot the GTX 1630. And don't tell me "Come on. GTX 1630?". I don't point in that as a proof, just as an indication.

The only thing happening lately is that AMD had dropped it's prices in the floor, while Nvidia pushes an RTX 4000 series that people hate for it's prices and it's limitations. GN can't be Nvidia friendly here, audience will burn them. And that was proven a few weeks ago. Jaytwocents's channel - yeah that guy "Buy RTX 3090 now that you can at $1500") published a video review of the RTX 4060 Ti that was looking like an advertisement directly from Nvidia's marketing department that had to remove a few hours latter with a second video apologizing.

GN laughing at RTX 4000 prices to please the audience and realizing after many months that was ignoring AMD that AMD does exist as an alternative, is NOT "slamming Nvidia".

Now, please. I know that the huge majority will disagree, even strongly, with the above opinion about GN. So, let's not continue further about GN.

Youtubers being Youtubers. Steve exists to generate clicks. He does that by producing content we want to see. That is all this is and all it'll every be, until eternity, with anything that is called entertainment.

The real problem lies with the receiver, not the sender...

 

[john_]

did i say instantly? eventually, now, in a year, 2, 3, 4

Most people will sell 3-6 months before their warranty ends. A 3-6 months warranty keeps the card's price high in the second hand market, by giving a sense of security to the buyer.

Most people don't go selling expensive GPU's unless they need a replacement, for whatever reason, or they need the money.

Many play the game like a stock market. They try to buy at the best time and sell at the best time. Even if that means having to wait for months with a GTX 1060 or even integrated graphics until the new model from Nvidia/Intel/AMD arrives.

 

[konga]

That's the idea. You have to go to one of the most respectful channels if you wish to have a success with such a kind of video.

The extend they gone in that video, I don't remember them going that far before. Even with other equipment catching fire, they where doing everything in their own labs. They weren't going checking connectors under microscopes, with high tech equipment in high tech labs. Talking about microscopic metal derbies and stuff, if I am remembering the video correctly. And who point them in that direction? I mean, who had the idea to check a simple connector in such a detail?
Then when the burning issue starting coming back those last months, this time with adapters that where suppose to fix this problem, Steve did in one of his videos a lengthy attempt to convince his audience that it was still a "user error". He wasn't looking as enthusiastic as usual in that part, but rather caution.

The above is my opinion of course.

Now GN slamming Nvidia? You being funny here. GN was Nvidia friendly for a very long time. They ridicule RX 6500 XT as they should but avoid doing the same about GTX 1630. Then in their latest video about the worst products of 2022, they remembered again the RX 6500XT and forgot the GTX 1630. And don't tell me "Come on. GTX 1630?". I don't point in that as a proof, just as an indication.

The only thing happening lately is that AMD had dropped it's prices in the floor, while Nvidia pushes an RTX 4000 series that people hate for it's prices and it's limitations. GN can't be Nvidia friendly here, audience will burn them. And that was proven a few weeks ago. Jaytwocents's channel - yeah that guy "Buy RTX 3090 now that you can at $1500") published a video review of the RTX 4060 Ti that was looking like an advertisement directly from Nvidia's marketing department that had to remove a few hours latter with a second video apologizing.

GN laughing at RTX 4000 prices to please the audience and realizing after many months that was ignoring AMD that AMD does exist as an alternative, is NOT "slamming Nvidia".

Now, please. I know that the huge majority will disagree, even strongly, with the above opinion about GN. So, let's not continue further about GN.

You don't want to continue the argument, but you sure have a lot to say here anyway. I don't want to continue the argument either, but I'll just say that this is absurdly conspiratorial. It doesn't take a paid shill to have the opinion GN held in their videos about the 12VHPWR connector. And I'll end this by pointing out that while that video was the first time GN has hired the services of a failure analysis lab, it wasn't the last. In fact, the next one was probably a lot more expensive due to what was being analyzed and how, and I struggle to see what shadowy figure would be funding this if it wasn't self-funded:

Believe what you want, but this is just what GN does, and they have the money to do it.

 

[john_]

Youtubers being Youtubers. Steve exists to generate clicks. He does that by producing content we want to see. That is all this is and all it'll every be, until eternity, with anything that is called entertainment.

The real problem lies with the receiver, not the sender...

Totally agree.

is absurdly conspiratorial

Yes I know that it looks like that.
PS About the X3D. It wasn't "user error", was it?

Spoiler

It wasn't Nvidia either

 

[Ravenmaster]

So they're changing the spec to fix a design flaw but they're not recalling all the old faulty versions...

 

[Daven]

The best takeaway from all this is that no manufacturer is perfect so brand loyalty is not a prudent buying strategy.

If you care about RT above all else, then Nvidia is the best choice. AMD has the most gen ras frames per dollar on the high end. The most VRAM for the least money is Intel’s 16GB A770. Pick based on your needs and only use the internet to get objective data informing you of which card meets these needs.

 

[Bomby569]

i don't mean at all GN was paid by Nvidia, idk, but that they whitewashed the problem, that they definetely did, for money, views, not to make more issues with nvidia, ignorance about the real issue, whatever it was. The proof is right here.
Anyway it will hillarious to see Steve's reaction. We were wrong, we are trash media

The best takeaway from all this is that no manufacturer is perfect so brand loyalty is not a prudent buying strategy.

If you care about RT above all else, then Nvidia is the best choice. AMD has the most gen ras frames per dollar on the high end. The most VRAM for the least money is Intel’s 16GB A770. Pick based on your needs and only use the internet to get objective data informing you of which card meets these needs.

to be fair for Nvidia this is not on them, this was on the PCI-SIG, but they definetly ignored the issue later and tried by any means to escape from a recall, including "buying the favors of media" most likely

 

[wolf]

Believe what you want, but this is just what GN does, and they have the money to do it.

Cmon man, Steve's an entertainer and all he does is just for clicks. /s

 

[mama]

This is needed on the 4090 not the 4070.

 

[Bomby569]

Cmon man, Steve's an entertainer and all he does is just for clicks. /s

we don't have nvidia/amd/intel fanboys, now we have Youtubers fanboy too, even when they f'up this bad

 

[Daven]

we don't have nvidia/amd/intel fanboys, now we have Youtubers fanboy too, even when they f'up this bad

Many company fanboys rely on Youtubers to justify their brand loyalty so this is not surprising.

 

[Haziza]

Old one works great.

 

[Dan.G]

Still waiting to see a graphics card that's completely powered through PCI-Express only and doesn't suck. Besides, the tendancy is to reduce the number of lanes: if a card like the RTX 4090 works well on x16 PCI-Ex 4.0, it should work just as well on x8 PCI-Ex 5.0. They could, probably, use the remaining x8 lanes to deliver more power? Maybe up to 225 W? I'd like that - a 4070 running only on PCI-Express power.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Should put to bed the bullshit that it was all customers, A BAD design is a BAD Design.

I used to watch GN, that says a lot, guy's a drama hunting click beast.

Worth noting the pci group also redesigned the same connection because it was defective!?