PGL Upgrades Tournament Rigs - Selects AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU

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Last week, the Professional Gamers League (PGL) announced an interesting overhaul of tournament hardware—new systems will be fitted with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 graphics cards, then hooked up to BenQ ZOWIE XL2566K 24.5" 360 Hz gaming monitors. Their previous generation machines were (initially) designed around AMD's Ryzen 9 5950X processor, but the organization is leaving AM4 platforms behind: "PGL is excited to announce that our team has fully optimized upgraded gaming PCs in partnership with Afromnazareth, and we are ready to deliver an unparalleled esports experience at the PGL CS2 Major Copenhagen 2024. At the heart of this cutting-edge setup is the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D processor, explicitly chosen for its exceptional performance capabilities and ability to handle the demands of CS2. This processor is renowned for its superior gaming performance, offering players the speed, power, and efficiency required to perform at the highest levels of competition."

The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is a more straightforward upgrade—as an easy drop-in for the PGL's older AM4 platform machines, but a leap into new ecosystems will grant a bit of future-proofing. Team Red is expected to support AM5 across a couple of processor generations. PGL did upgrade systems with 5800X3D CPUs, due to player feedback—according to Tom's Hardware: "there was some discontent among players with the previous configuration with the Ryzen 9 5950X because, while the chip sports 16 Zen 3 execution cores, Counter-Strike 2 doesn't exploit the processor's prowess. Some players criticized PGL's poor processor choice for previous events, claiming lousy frame rates." Performance connoisseurs will be pleased to hear about the tournament organizer's new push into modern platforms—Silviu Stroie, PGL CEO, stated: "we have meticulously optimized this bespoke gaming setup to ensure that every participant experiences CS2 in the highest fidelity without compromise. The AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU stands out as a game-changer in the esports arena, promising to elevate the competitive play of CS2 to new heights."



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[Guwapo77]

Great choice! But it hurts my heart to hear the 5950x had poor frame rates.

 

[Onasi]

Great choice! But it hurts my heart to hear the 5950x had poor frame rates.

Poor is relative. We are talking the 0.00001% cram of the crop players who play LAN for cash. They need every single thing as stable and advantageous as possible. This is something that’s irrelevant for anyone dabbling in competitive games online. But yeah, the 5950X is a dual CCD that by its nature will get some penalties in frames. Even the base 5800X would be better for what the use case is here.

 

[Guwapo77]

Poor is relative. We are talking the 0.00001% cram of the crop players who play LAN for cash. They need every single thing as stable and advantageous as possible. This is something that’s irrelevant for anyone dabbling in competitive games online. But yeah, the 5950X is a dual CCD that by its nature will get some penalties in frames. Even the base 5800X would be better for what the use case is here.

I'm not a competitive player; however, I game on the 5950X and I notice no such phenomenon. That is why my heart ached when I read that passage. Over the weekend I installed the 5600X3D in my son's B450 Asus motherboard replacing his 3600X... Needless to say, I will only be using the X3D chips in the future.

 

[Onasi]

I'm not a competitive player; however, I game on the 5950X and I notice no such phenomenon. That is why my heart ached when I read that passage. Over the weekend I installed the 5600X3D in my son's B450 Asus motherboard replacing his 3600X... Needless to say, I will only be using the X3D chips in the future.

If you’re not an extremely high level professional player it’s literally irrelevant. For most single player games on reasonable hardware and resolution/settings combo you will be GPU limited mostly. What the article refers to is not getting 500+ FPS in CS and instead getting, say, 400. I strongly doubt that you’d care.

 

[Guwapo77]

I think you're missing my point... Its a shared pride aspect when they crapped on my processor. I know I won't be bothered in the difference of .0000000000000000001% frame time differences. I wonder if AMD can fix/reduce the latency penalty for two CCXs in the upcoming 8950X3D (or if they even make one).

 

[Onasi]

I think you're missing my point... Its a shared pride aspect when they crapped on my processor. I know I won't be bothered in the difference of .0000000000000000001% frame time differences. I wonder if AMD can fix/hence the latency penalty for two CCXs in the upcoming 8950X3D (or if they even make one).

Short answer - yes and no. The faster interconnection can be used to mitigate it, but physics are physics - multi-CCD designs will always have measurably worse latency than single CCD and monolithic chips. That’s just how it is. Though Zen 6 should improve this aspect from what I heard, yes. So while a hypothetical 8950X3D might be better it will still most likely lose as a pure gaming chip to an equally hypothetical 8800X3D.

 

[Guwapo77]

Short answer - yes and no. The faster interconnection can be used to mitigate it, but physics are physics - multi-CCD designs will always have measurably worse latency than single CCD and monolithic chips. That’s just how it is. Though Zen 6 should improve this aspect from what I heard, yes. So while a hypothetical 8950X3D might be better it will still most likely lose as a pure gaming chip to an equally hypothetical 8800X3D.

Short answer - yes and no. The faster interconnection can be used to mitigate it, but physics are physics - multi-CCD designs will always have measurably worse latency than single CCD and monolithic chips. That’s just how it is. Though Zen 6 should improve this aspect from what I heard, yes. So while a hypothetical 8950X3D might be better it will still most likely lose as a pure gaming chip to an equally hypothetical 8800X3D.

I'm not giving up on AMD, they might figure something out over the course of the 10 years. LoL

 

[Crackong]

Hey we found where all the nobody-wanted RTX 4080 went.

 

[kapone32]

In all honesty if you go from a 5950X to a 5800X3D, Gaming may improve but everything else will feel slower over time.

 

[Guwapo77]

In all honesty if you go from a 5950X to a 5800X3D, Gaming may improve but everything else will feel slower over time.

I've stated I was going to upgrade from a 5950x to a 5800x3d numerous times, but I just could bring myself to do it. I'm just waiting for the 8950X3D (If they make one).