Radeon HD 3850 to AGP

trog100 · Feb 23, 2008

Morgoth said:
your 2,8ghz p4 is a huge bottleneck for hd3850

mostly in low resolution benchmarks not that much in the average higher resolution game.. its an upgrade that is still well worth doing for someone who wants to extend their system life..

P4 or not it will still play most games in a reasonable fashion.. not much good for supreme commander thow.. but that is a one off..

trog

arctic89 · Feb 23, 2008

It'll make a great htpc when you retire it, you'll be able to playback blu-rays and hddvds...errr i mean just blu-rays without a hitch even on that p4. :roll:

15th Warlock · Feb 24, 2008

arctic89 said:
It'll make a great htpc when you retire it, you'll be able to playback blu-rays and hddvds...errr i mean just blu-rays without a hitch even on that p4.

Lol! yeah, thanks, I think I can connect my USB HD-DVD drive to watch some of the movies I bought before the $hit hit the fan for that format, I will also get a BD-ROM for blu ray movies :rockout:

What about you? Are you getting the Sapphire card, or are you still waiting for the GeCube card?

arctic89 · Feb 24, 2008

Gecube tech support said before march now before April...so i got the sapphire.
Yep ordered it a few days ago along with the zalman vf900-cu, i will get it this Wednesday. Should last me a year or two longer but full upgrade heh. If only the cat 8.2 works.. :banghead:

Atom_Anti · Feb 24, 2008

arctic89 said:
Gecube tech support said before march now before April...

Damn it Gecube :mad:

!

15th Warlock · Feb 24, 2008

arctic89 said:
Gecube tech support said before march now before April...so i got the sapphire.
Yep ordered it a few days ago along with the zalman vf900-cu, i will get it this Wednesday. Should last me a year or two longer but full upgrade heh. If only the cat 8.2 works..

Cheers on the cooler choice mate, that's exactly the one I picked! Just checked my order status and I should get mine around wednesday or thursday! :toast:

Geez, it seems for now Sapphire is the only way to go, I wonder why Powercolor and GeCube jumped the gun and announced the release for their cards sooooo long ago, guess they are still waiting for official driver support once the 8.3 cats are released?? :confused:

Strange Attractor · Feb 26, 2008

Anyone interested in some benchmarks?

system -
Athlon 64 X2 4400+
Nforce 3 MB
2 GB 400mhz DDR ram

with my previous video card, an X1950 pro HIS IceQ turbo -

3Dmark 03- 14,639
3Dmark 05- 9,225
3Dmark 06- 4,676
Lost Coast stress test - 96 fps

with the saphire 3850-

3Dmark 03- 27,604
3Dmark 05- 12,081
3Dmark 06- 7,724
Lost Coast stress test - 95 fps?????? :eek:

ShadowFold · Feb 26, 2008

Strange Attractor said:
Anyone interested in some benchmarks?

system -
Athlon 64 X2 4400+
Nforce 3 MB
2 GB 400mhz DDR ram

with my previous video card, an X1950 pro HIS IceQ turbo -

3Dmark 03- 14,639
3Dmark 05- 9,225
3Dmark 06- 4,676
Lost Coast stress test - 96 fps

with the saphire 3850-

3Dmark 03- 27,604
3Dmark 05- 12,081
3Dmark 06- 7,724
Lost Coast stress test - 95 fps??????

Thats pretty bad man. I can get 8060 with a PCI-E HD 3850 and a Stock 4200+ X2.

Strange Attractor · Feb 26, 2008

Who cares about that now...something is seriously wrong. I just played my first real game, Call of Duty 4, and I'm getting fame rates that are literally half of what I got on my x1950, between 17 - 23.

what

the

hell

lemonadesoda · Feb 26, 2008

Drivers drivers drivers... dont panic. You've nearly DOUBLED performance on 3DmarkX... so there must be a driver/DirectX conflict with some games.

I hope these tips arent TOO obvious:

1./ Strip machine of all ATI drivers, use cleaner
2./ Install latest compatible drivers (I think its 8.2 with a hack... check internet). Dont install CCC. Just the drivers.
3./ Make sure display properties turned up to FULL hardware acceleration.

In games, make sure you reconfigure the video settings. And check they are the same as before, ie. resolution, FSAA etc.

Good luck. We are all looking on with interest...

lemonadesoda · Feb 26, 2008

ShadowFold said:
Thats pretty bad man. I can get 8060 with a PCI-E HD 3850 and a Stock 4200+ X2.

Thats not bad at all!!!... the benchmarks are testing the GPU mainly, not the CPU... so at 7724 vs 8060 that's only 3.5% performance loss being on AGP vs. PCI-E. And that's probably nothing to do with AGP, but the system chipset Nforce 3 vs 410 and memory speeds, AND your overclocked GPU (compared to the AGP version).

Strange Attractor · Feb 26, 2008

I used driver cleaner before I installed but there were a few failed attempts before the drivers "took" I will try it again, other two suggestions check out.

I should mention that both ATI and Omega drives refused to install. The only ones that works was the included CD.

I'm about try Bioshock now...

edit - I'll try uninstalling CCC as well

2nd edit - Bioshock is MUCH smoother. Guess this is a semi isolated problem COD4 plays terribly and Source has identical to last card.

lemonadesoda · Feb 26, 2008

>> google for the driver hacks to get 8.2 to work on AGP. Its something to do with editting the script that contains the device ID. Its a very easy hack once you know how.

Apparently the included CD drivers are not the best... 8.2 is MUCH better.

ShadowFold · Feb 26, 2008

lemonadesoda said:
Thats not bad at all!!!... the benchmarks are testing the GPU mainly, not the CPU... so at 7724 vs 8060 that's only 3.5% performance loss being on AGP vs. PCI-E. And that's probably nothing to do with AGP, but the system chipset Nforce 3 vs 410 and memory speeds, AND your overclocked GPU (compared to the AGP version).

oh I didnt see he had a nforce 3 and yea my 3850 is clocked pretty high lol

Strange Attractor · Feb 26, 2008

I just did a Google search for "driver hack 8.2 ati agp" and the very first link to pop up was my post in this thread lol.

Strange Attractor · Feb 26, 2008

Well I searched all over Google and I couldn't find it. If someone could provide a link I'd appreciate it. Sorry for being a pain.

Strange Attractor · Feb 26, 2008

SynCroNiz3 · Feb 26, 2008

I plan on getting this card for my athlon x2 4200 @ 2.4 i just have a question. Does the agp version of this card have the same performance as the pci express??. For you guys with this card keep posting ur benchmark results please

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karatekatadvd · Feb 29, 2008

Looks good

- HIS HD 3850 IceQ 3 Turbo (Full HD 1080p) HDMI 512MB (256bit) GDDR3 Dual DL-DVI & TV (HDCP) AGP

- HIS HD 3850 (Full HD 1080p) HDMI 512MB (256bit) GDDR3 Dual DL-DVI & TV (HDCP) AGP

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Video Card(s)	HD3850-AGP // FireGL 3400
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