Issues with the GeForce 9600 GT card

[EastCoasthandle]

what was your PCIe Frequency when you used that card?

ANYONE having problems using PCIe frequency higher then 100?

 

[Solaris17]

actually with my 9600 after me and w1zz talked about the pci-e freq rasing the clock..i tried raising it and NOT oc'ing through riva and i artifacted got a black screen and had to reboot 10min into cryis.

 

[bencze]

No I left it Auto or manual 100mhz only, so it was always 100mhz.
Not application issue, I just crashed same way in Eve Online after like 2 hrs.

 

[naokiakira]

He might also be having the "9600GT Black screen of death" issue.

 

[bigtye]

Joined up to post in this thread, been a long time reader and appreciate the technical expertise in this forum, especially wizards reviews.

I swapped over from a 1950 pro to a 9600GT just recently and had heaps of problems. Initially I could play COD 4 but not 2142, it would start to load, go to black screen and crash back to windows. I did a search and found on the ATI site a technical support note (will find url) stating that 1950 driver don't fully uninstall al the time and there was no known solution. Sure enough I ran regedit, went through the registry and found heaps of left of ATI references. Deleted these but still couldn't play 2142. I figured that maybe something was still left somewhere.

So did a complete reformat. During reinstall of my software I got a message from the Nvidia driver that my 9600GT was not recieving enough power and was going to switch to safe mode, this was in a 2D windows environment, 10 seconds later my USB ports on my mobo died and I lost mouse and keyboard use. My PSU was a Thermaltake 430w. I had run my 1950 pro on this psu for 12 months fine. My USB ports are still dead by way, I now us other ports I have plugged in elsewhere on the mobo.

Have since swapped over to a corsair 620w xp and everything has been fine now for 2 weeks.

When runnning the 9600GT, please make sure your psu is up to the task, the card is not that power hungry, my system uses max about 200w when gaming (measured on zalman mfc2) but the amp rails are important. This is what I believe killed my psu, and in the process nearly killed my mobo. I got lucky and just lost USB ports.

To the person who went from a 1950XTX, please check that your old ATI drivers have all been removed from reg.

Hope this helps and adds more information about possible probs wioth your 9600GT.

Cheers

Tyrone

ATI quote
737-27466: Running through the un-install of the ATI display driver may result in the display driver failing to be completely removed



The information in this article applies to the following configuration(s):
Radeon™ X1950 series
Radeon™ X1900 series
Windows Vista 32bit Edition
Windows Vista 64bit Edition
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Home Edition
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
Symptoms:
Running through the un-install of the ATI display driver may result in the display driver failing to be completely removed

Solution:
Currently there is no solution."

 

[naokiakira]

http://evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=272011&mpage=1&key=񄯾

A lot of people are having this problem

 

[rangerone766]

when psu's are going bad they cause the strangest symptoms. things you would never think was a psu. when ever wierd things happen on a pc with a generic psu 90% of the time a new psu fixes the problem.

 

[bencze]

Yea, too bad it isn't 100%, would make things simpler.

 

[Mussels]

Joined up to post in this thread, been a long time reader and appreciate the technical expertise in this forum, especially wizards reviews.

I swapped over from a 1950 pro to a 9600GT just recently and had heaps of problems. Initially I could play COD 4 but not 2142, it would start to load, go to black screen and crash back to windows. I did a search and found on the ATI site a technical support note (will find url) stating that 1950 driver don't fully uninstall al the time and there was no known solution. Sure enough I ran regedit, went through the registry and found heaps of left of ATI references. Deleted these but still couldn't play 2142. I figured that maybe something was still left somewhere.

So did a complete reformat. During reinstall of my software I got a message from the Nvidia driver that my 9600GT was not recieving enough power and was going to switch to safe mode, this was in a 2D windows environment, 10 seconds later my USB ports on my mobo died and I lost mouse and keyboard use. My PSU was a Thermaltake 430w. I had run my 1950 pro on this psu for 12 months fine. My USB ports are still dead by way, I now us other ports I have plugged in elsewhere on the mobo.

Have since swapped over to a corsair 620w xp and everything has been fine now for 2 weeks.

When runnning the 9600GT, please make sure your psu is up to the task, the card is not that power hungry, my system uses max about 200w when gaming (measured on zalman mfc2) but the amp rails are important. This is what I believe killed my psu, and in the process nearly killed my mobo. I got lucky and just lost USB ports.

To the person who went from a 1950XTX, please check that your old ATI drivers have all been removed from reg.

Hope this helps and adds more information about possible probs wioth your 9600GT.

Cheers

Tyrone

ATI quote
737-27466: Running through the un-install of the ATI display driver may result in the display driver failing to be completely removed



The information in this article applies to the following configuration(s):
Radeon™ X1950 series
Radeon™ X1900 series
Windows Vista 32bit Edition
Windows Vista 64bit Edition
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Home Edition
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
Symptoms:
Running through the un-install of the ATI display driver may result in the display driver failing to be completely removed

Solution:
Currently there is no solution."

Just as something i can say... the TT 430W was always a crap PSU. I've NEVER liked them.

If you get crashes with a new video card and have problems a new PSU is always a good idea!

(not aimed at anyone in particular)
With things like this everyones first argument is "but it ran FINE! it had NO PROBLEMS AT ALL for x months!" - of course it did. Doesnt mean it cant just break suddenly, no hardware ever sends me an email a week in advance of i dying - they do it when they feel like it, and new, power hungry components adding sudden stress is a great way to push older PSU's over the limit.

 

[bencze]

I think I'm kind of past testing my PSU. I would love to find out that it's the problematic component, would be easier to replace at least (well, half the price of a vga card).

 

[tx_shifter]

Hey all,

~ Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead, but I recently purchased a PNY 9600GT vid card and also got a better PSU, or I hope I did.

Anyways, I was wondering if the PSU I got is safe bet.

The PSU is a Cooler Master eXtreme Power PLUS / 500w

LinkY: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...e-_-Power+Supplies-_-Cooler+Master-_-17171031

Quick specs:
Model RS-500-PCAR/PCAP-A3
Type Intel Form Factor ATX 12V V2.3
Dimension (W / H / D) Standard ATX 150 x 140 x 86 (mm)
Input Voltage RS-500-PCAR-A3 / 90 ~132V/180~264V (Selectable)
RS-500-PCAP-A3 / 180~264 V
Input Current RS-500-PCAR-A3 : 10 A @ 115Vac / 6 A @ 230Vac
RS-500-PCAP-A3 : 6 A @ 230Vac
Input Frequency Range 47 ~ 63 Hz
PFC None PFC: RS-500-PCAR-A3
Passive PFC: RS-500-PCAP-A3
Power Good Signal 100 ~ 500 ms
Hold Up Time > 17 ms
Efficiency >70% Typically
MTBF >100,000 hrs
Protection OVP / OCP / OPP / SCP
Output Capacity 500 Watts
Operation Temperature 0~40 ℃（Nominal Input Voltage）
Safety Nemko / TUV / cUL / CE / BSMI /FCC / C-tick / CCC (Passive Model Only)
Fan Sleeve bearing 120mm fan
Connector M/B 20+4 Pin x 1
CPU 4+4 Pin x 1
PCI-E 6 Pin x 1
4 Pin Peripheral x 5
SATA x 4
4 Pin Floppy x 1

Thanks

 

[tx_shifter]

---- Ok looks like I answered my own question.

On the box of the PSU it says +12v @ 18A

On the box of my 9600gt it says minimum 12v current rating of 26A.

Going shopping for a new PSU tomorrow.

I been messing w/ Riva Turner and OC'ing @ about 710/1775/1000 and fan set to 85% playing crysis I am now only getting 15fps @ 1280*768 , then I drop resolution to 1024*768 and fps does not change. If I exceed over the oc stats above my gt just locks up. I think its screaming for a better PSU

 

[bencze]

While not a specialist myself I doubt fps is influenced by PSU.
Also isn't this psu dual rail, like 2x 18a 12v rails? For a total of 26-28 or so?

Afaik you need to check the total output...
Anyway best of luck.

 

[Mussels]

While not a specialist myself I doubt fps is influenced by PSU.
Also isn't this psu dual rail, like 2x 18a 12v rails? For a total of 26-28 or so?

Afaik you need to check the total output...
Anyway best of luck.

a bad/weak PSU Can cause all sorts of problems. modern video cards throttle down in case of low power (a leftover from the laptop versions), so bad power can in fact cause speed problems.

totals dont quite add up... 2x18A could actally be 20A total for all we know (sometimes they share, 2x18A means each rails max is 18A, but not neccesarily at the same time)

these days, dont get a PSU with less than 25A on a single rail - mine has 4x 18A rails, but then again its a quality brand name unit (if a bit old)

 

[Somatic]

Hi sorry, I was googling around as My 9600 GT was also facing a lock up problem when I run this games :

COD4, Crysis Warhead, Oblivion, Zombie Source (YES IT LOCKED UP), TF2, Portal

Where the Game freezes and repeating sound occurs.

I was facing a choice of Replacing the GPU totally after visiting various Forums reflecting this problem BUT most were post when the GPU just came out. I tried various methods, including using the 9800 Drivers instead, Setting My Games to run on lowest Setting. All seems not workable until I tried to Adjust my DRAM voltage from 1.9 - 2.1 V. I at first belived this is the solution but when I tested it without over powering my RAM, It still worked. I checked and see that my Setting in the NVidia Settings to see that I turned on my "Extension Limit" & "Error Reporting".

Is that the reason why My GPU is stable now? Or is it just delaying an even bigger "Un-forseen Circumstances" ? My specs is in My Sig, anyone able to assist please reply Thanks.

BTW : I've updated my Driver to the latest Driver, Restore my GPU's clocks to Factory Default. I've being running COD4 for atlease 3 hours, Alt Tab in between a few times to check my status.

 

[r9]

Hi there,
I'm having issues with my card and Nvidia tech support is clueless as to what and why this is happening.

The Card will just shut down my PC - I can hear the fan spinning and that's about it. I have to hard boot the system to get it to power back up.

I have a 430 psu, 2 gigs of ram and running XP
It only does this when I'm gaming - World of Warcraft. I can hear the fan kick start and then my screen goes blank and the amber light of the monitor will light.

I updated the Bios and the chipset - removed and used drive sweeper to clean out the old drivers and then re-installed everything and this keeps happening. I also used PC Wizard and nothing is running hot - everything's normal.

I even checked the event viewer and there's nothing - so it's shutting down before anything can even be written.

I don't want to have to get another type of card - and oh, this is the 2nd card because the person from their tech support told me last night that maybe the memory was bad so I returned it and got another one - the same thing is happening.

Any ideas would be much appreciated?

My guess PSU related.

 

[RadeonX2]

@ Somatic

so your 9600GT locks-up instead of blackscreen. I don't have a lock-up issue but getting a blackscreen is very annoying I have to make a OC profile preferred by my games played.

might be the lockup issue is caused by PSU as stated by other forumer here.

 

[lexremont]

12 days all good. no BS
ocp (lline) working !!!
SOLUTION IS:
1)vmod to 1.15V
2)if u look to your card, u see -

in RED box resistor
in GREEN box no resistor
i find revision 2 board photo -

ptoto very bad? but in negative i see

in RED box no resistor
in GREEN box resistor

now i find ADP3208 datasheet


16 LLINE Load Line Programming Input. The center point of a resistor divider connected between CSREF and
CSCOMP can be tied to this pin to set the load line slope.
17 CSCOMP Current Sense Amplifier Output and Frequency Compensation Point.
18 CSREF Current Sense Reference Input. This pin must be connected to the common point of the output
inductors. The node is shorted to GND through an internal switch when the chip is disabled to provide soft stop transient control of the converter output voltage.

I take smal iron and unsolder 0 Ohm resistor (GREEN pads) and resolder it to RED pads

now u can compare my solution with nvidia issue http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeForce_9600_GT_Voltage_Issue_Fixed/5556.html

 

[Somatic]

@ Somatic

so your 9600GT locks-up instead of blackscreen. I don't have a lock-up issue but getting a blackscreen is very annoying I have to make a OC profile preferred by my games played.

might be the lockup issue is caused by PSU as stated by other forumer here.

Not exactly, I tried with another friend's PC running an Epsilion PSU, with the most an additional of 2 more HDD and running Vista on 4GB of ram, the thing still lock up. And a hard reboot with no error or what so ever identified by Windows at all.

 

[Mussels]

Not exactly, I tried with another friend's PC running an Epsilion PSU, with the most an additional of 2 more HDD and running Vista on 4GB of ram, the thing still lock up. And a hard reboot with no error or what so ever identified by Windows at all.

i've never heard of epsilon, sounds like another generic PSU make.

the PSU is only a chance - you cant prove its *not* the PSU, so always keep it in mind. look for evidence either way, instead of making assumptions from the start.
remember that failing hardware often causes software problems first, overheating or failing components will crash out games first, then normal apps, then windows itself... and by then, its usually pretty obvious whats dying.

 

[bencze]

totals dont quite add up... 2x18A could actally be 20A

I never said they do. His PSU is supposed to be 26 afaik as my old Enermax.

these days, dont get a PSU with less than 25A on a single rail - mine has 4x 18A rails, but then again its a quality brand name unit (if a bit old)

I find that many people exaggerate a lot when it comes to PSUs, tho.
25a singl rail? That seems to be a lot, most people don't run like tri-sli top setups to need 800-1k PSUs

For the solution: Too bad I don't know enough to fix my card, still using it underclocked at about 60%.

 

[Joe Public]

Multiple rail PSUs are not bad, if they have fixed cables and are properly balanced across the rails. (With modular you're obviously more free to balance as you wish).

In the past, there were some PSUs that were not properly balanced, the manufacturers messed it up bad and people had trouble all the time. That's one reason why the "single rail is the only solution" thing became popular. I've tried a few multiple rail PSUs as of late, I can't say that any of them are unreliable because they have 4,5 or 6 rails instead of one. As long as it's a solid unit from a reputable manufacturer/OEM, I don't see why they should be a lesser choice.

 

[Networknick2]

Send it back.

I have been using a 9600 gt for sometime now and i was experiencing these exact same problems the screen looses imput goes into stand by and the 9600's fan spins to 100%. I have tried many many many diffrent sultions. Then i took the time to call NVidia support since they do cover the product with a 1 year warrenty. After spending about an hour or so on the phone i was told to send it to them my videocard and they would try an fix it. Though it is to soon to tell if they actualy did fix the problem just wanted to let everyone know they do take them and it might be worth your time to try and get them to replace or fix it rather then be stuck with a broken video card. I will also say that the guy i talked with did not seem at all suprised about my problem he was quick to tell me after I teold him my symptoms that it was more then likely the card and to send it in.

 

[t77snapshot]

Who would bring this thread back?

 

[Solaris17]