new X800GTO2 VIVO DUAL DVI not a R480(?)

[BourqueJ]

i was very lucky, mine does 585mhz, i'm volt modding it soon, and am hoping for 630mhz, but that might be a bit optimistic. I'm not gonna take the core higher than 1.55v, i'm expecting the temps to get to around 70c with my ati silencer @ 100%. I volt modded my old x800xl, but the r430 core didn't respond to more voltage I got a huge increase on the memory though, i got my 2.0ns memory up to 610mhz I just wander how far my 1.6ns mem will go with some more voltage

You can usually tell which one you are getting from the p/n (part number) on the box.

I'm currently looking for a good cooling replacement and I have my eye on the ati silencer. I have some questions regarding this product and I sure like the opinion of someone actually using it. (on a card like mine )

1. What rev is your ati silencer?
2. What kind of thermal compound did you used?
3. Any problem with installation?
4. Was it a good choice?

Thanks!

 

[_33]

I'm currently looking for a good cooling replacement and I have my eye on the ati silencer. I have some questions regarding this product and I sure like the opinion of someone actually using it. (on a card like mine )

1. What rev is your ati silencer?
2. What kind of thermal compound did you used?
3. Any problem with installation?
4. Was it a good choice?

Thanks!

Shouldn't the ATI Silencer come with heat pads? They are basically compound on the cooling solution. All you have to do is stick the cooling solution and the compound will be there, so no worries about that.

 

[BourqueJ]

Well, I was thinking of using Artic Silver on it. I was wondering if I will see a difference with it.

 

[infrared]

Artic cooling MX-1 thermal compound is pre-applied. This is basically a thicker version of AS5, and is much more effective with this cooler. I tried AS5, and noticed a 4c increase at idle, and a 6c increase at load even after a few days to let it set.

The thermal pads on the memory are not too brilliant, but as long as the backplate is screwed on tight, they work well. The cooler is soo quiet, it's awsome, and the airflow, even at 50% is brilliant.

 

[BourqueJ]

Artic cooling MX-1 thermal compound is pre-applied. This is basically a thicker version of AS5, and is much more effective with this cooler. I tried AS5, and noticed a 4c increase at idle, and a 6c increase at load.

I don't think it's just a thicker version of the AS5 since AS5 is made of silver and this one is not. I've people talking about it and comparing them and some says the MX1 is better, others says that it's AS5.

I've looked at a chart on their website and the MX1 is on top of the list. (but AS5 is not.. AS2 and AS3 only)

The only thing people are complaining about is that it's very hard to apply. (too thick) Did you use only the one that came on the coller or did you reapplied some MX1 after trying AS5?

 

[infrared]

At first i used the pre-applied mx-1, then refitted the cooler, after cleaning the core, and cooler with arcticlean, and applied the AS5... temps rose, so i repeated the cleaning, and applied the mx-1. It is very thick, the trick is to run a line of mx-1 along one edge of the gpu, and with a credit card, firmly spread the paste across. I normally spread it in an even layer, then add a small drop in the center. Whichever grease you decide to use, i definatly recomend buying some arcticlean, it is awsome stuff.

 

[BourqueJ]

At first i used the pre-applied mx-1, then refitted the cooler, after cleaning the core, and cooler with arcticlean, and applied the AS5... temps rose, so i repeated the cleaning, and applied the mx-1. It is very thick, the trick is to run a line of mx-1 along one edge of the gpu, and with a credit card, firmly spread the paste across. I normally spread it in an even layer, then add a small drop in the center. Whichever grease you decide to use, i definatly recomend buying some arcticlean, it is awsome stuff.

Thanks for the trick! I never really applied any compound before and I was a little affraid to mess things up. (since people were saying how hard it is to apply it)

I will also take your advice on the ArtiClean. I'm checking at ncix right now to see if I can order some.

Thanks!

 

[BourqueJ]

One more question.. does this come with extra compound? (i will need some for my cpu)

 

[Megatron]

Artic silver has a settle in time. I tried shin-etsu paste and I couldnt tell the difference plus it was harder to spread, Ive still got most of a syringe of AC5 left, so thats what I use. I cant see how a thicker paste will perform better unless you have poor contact between heatsink and core.

I use white spirit/methelated spirit to clean old TIM off.

 

[infrared]

Artic silver has a settle in time. I tried shin-etsu paste and I couldnt tell the difference plus it was harder to spread, Ive still got most of a syringe of AC5 left, so thats what I use. I cant see how a thicker paste will perform better unless you have poor contact between heatsink and core.

I use white spirit/methelated spirit to clean old TIM off.

Yep, either paste is good as long as the contact is good. I still saw slightly higher temps even after the settle in time with the AS5, not sure why. It's such a small difference i wouldn't worry about it. Methelated spirit is ok for cleaning the heatsink, but white spirit leaves a residue. And arcticlean is much more effective than either, you need to try it to believe it

One more question.. does this come with extra compound? (i will need some for my cpu)

Nope, unfortunatly it doesn't, but it's very cheap to buy a small syringe of the stuff.

 

[BourqueJ]

Thanks guys, I will put a some in my order then.

Cheers!

 

[maRSuu]

hi,

i have also a sapphire x800 gto^2, which is identified as r430, i haven´t take a closer look at the chip, but i think it´s a r480, because overclocking works well.
what are your experience with the bios tweaking?
is it worth the work, because the 16 pixelpipelines are activated by default, and driveroptimisation should be minimal, because the r430 an r480 are too similar, as i know only the semiconductorfabrication process is different...

 

[BourqueJ]

hi,

i have also a sapphire x800 gto^2, which is identified as r430, i haven´t take a closer look at the chip, but i think it´s a r480, because overclocking works well.
what are your experience with the bios tweaking?
is it worth the work, because the 16 pixelpipelines are activated by default, and driveroptimisation should be minimal, because the r430 an r480 are too similar, as i know only the semiconductorfabrication process is different...

the only difference i've noticed is that now my system is reporting it as being a X850 XT PE. I've done benchmark before and after flashing the bios and no difference. I would stick with the bios you have. (to be safe )

 

[moon_t]

Bios clock speed alteration

Hi,

I've read through this and other topics here with great interest and have hopefully understood everything. I just have one big question though regarding how the card would be identified in crossfire mode.

I have the dual DVI VIVO GTO2, definately the R480 as I run it at X850 XT speeds through profiles in ATI Tray Tools, the bios dump is also identical to the one 33 posted way back in the thread.

I realise that I can use the modded bios posted here to get the card to show as an X850 XT PE ,but is it OK to use Rabit to modify the default memory and GPU clocks in the bios as opposed to using ATI tool to overclock?

The reason I ask is that I have just bought a sapphire pure crossfire mobo and wanted to use my gto2 as a slave, preferably purchasing an X850 XT crossfire master that won't automatically throttle its speed back if it identifies the gto2 as an X800XL. I don't really want to buy and X800 master as that would be a lot slower than my gto2 when clocked, but am not sure about the compatibility issues from the crossfire perspective once I have flashed the gto2 bios.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Moon T

 

[ShadowFlare]

Hi,

I've read through this and other topics here with great interest and have hopefully understood everything. I just have one big question though regarding how the card would be identified in crossfire mode.

I have the dual DVI VIVO GTO2, definately the R480 as I run it at X850 XT speeds through profiles in ATI Tray Tools, the bios dump is also identical to the one 33 posted way back in the thread.

I realise that I can use the modded bios posted here to get the card to show as an X850 XT PE ,but is it OK to use Rabit to modify the default memory and GPU clocks in the bios as opposed to using ATI tool to overclock?

The reason I ask is that I have just bought a sapphire pure crossfire mobo and wanted to use my gto2 as a slave, preferably purchasing an X850 XT crossfire master that won't automatically throttle its speed back if it identifies the gto2 as an X800XL. I don't really want to buy and X800 master as that would be a lot slower than my gto2 when clocked, but am not sure about the compatibility issues from the crossfire perspective once I have flashed the gto2 bios.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Moon T

Well, when using with an X850 crossfire card, you definately would want it saying it is R480, not R430, so you should probably flash the bios to change it. As for modifying the clock speeds in RaBiT, test it first with ATITool to make sure it can handle the speed you are going to set. Also, you may not want to set the default clock speeds right at the max that you find, it is probably best to set it somewhat lower. Since it is the default that would always be used at startup, I'd recommend going around 20 - 30 MHz or more lower than the max you find, especially for the GPU. For the memory, it may not matter so much as long as you don't set the default speed beyond the default of 587 that the X850 XT PE uses.

 

[moon_t]

Thanks for the quick reply

As for speeds I can get up to XT PE speeds with no problems (560/600 highest I've dared to take it) and game for a number of hours without the slightest problem. For absolute peace of mind though I clock it at windows boot time to the X850 XT speed of 520/540.

I just didn't want to make an expensive mistake and buy the X850 XT crossfire if it would be incompatible.

Thanks again

 

[infrared]

hmm, you'll have to tell us how that goes, i'm also interested in setting my x800gto2 up in crossfire. My only problem is the two pci-e slots on my board are in a 16x/4x configuration. How much would running one card in the 4x slot limit performance? I might try running my card in the bottom slot when i get it back from my mate's house later on, and do some benchmarking.

 

[BourqueJ]

Ok, I just received and installed my new fan for my video. I just wanted to make a followup on certain things.

1. My chip IS a R480.
2. I overclocked my card to 609/618.. idle temp is 35 and load temp is 62 degree. (while scanning for artifacts from AtiTool.. never go that far in games)

The fan I bought is an Arctic Cooling ATI Silencer 5 rev. 2. It is very quiet now, even at 100% (which never go there), I cannot hear it. I have to say tho that the setup is not like I was expecting it. The power cable from the psu is really hard to remove now because of the lock on it. I have an ASUS A8N-E motherboard and one of the screw on the back of the card was in the way on the first memory bank bracket. (it's now bent a little) And finally, the lock for the video card (on the motherboard) is now even harder to push back.

But anyway, I am quite satisfied with my choice. Thanks again for all of your help!


Jacques.

 

[_33]

Ok, I just received and installed my new fan for my video. I just wanted to make a followup on certain things.

1. My chip IS a R480.
2. I overclocked my card to 609/618.. idle temp is 35 and load temp is 62 degree. (while scanning for artifacts from AtiTool.. never go that far in games)

The fan I bought is an Arctic Cooling ATI Silencer 5 rev. 2. It is very quiet now, even at 100% (which never go there), I cannot hear it. I have to say tho that the setup is not like I was expecting it. The power cable from the psu is really hard to remove now because of the lock on it. I have an ASUS A8N-E motherboard and one of the screw on the back of the card was in the way on the first memory bank bracket. (it's now bent a little) And finally, the lock for the video card (on the motherboard) is now even harder to push back.

But anyway, I am quite satisfied with my choice. Thanks again for all of your help! When I launch a game (switch to 3D), all my fans slow down!!!


Jacques.

609/618, incredible for a card that is default clocked 400/490 and from the value bin!!! Oh well...

Last thing I need to try is change my PSU for an OCZ, ANTEC or maybe an ENERMAX. Currently, when I launch a game or 3D bench and it switches to D3D / 3D mode, all my fans slow down in the system! I must have a PSU problem.

EDIT: But it is still very puzzling that I can only overclock to 510 mhz GPU and that the ingame temperature doesn't even reach 60°c. This core is bound to be overclockable more than that!