E8400 vs Phenom X3 8750

OtopC · Sep 18, 2008

I got my girlfriend a PC with a AMD Phenom X3 8750. This processor seems to be much slower than my E8400, especially when playing games which is its primary use, even though it has 2Gb more of faster ram (1066) than mine (800). Is a upgrade to the X4 worth the money for the performance again?

When is AMD going to make whipass CPU's again?

3870x2 · Sep 18, 2008

not sure what your avatar insinuates, hopefully that is glue...
multiple cores higher than 2 cores arent very good for gaming, and unfortunately core2 > phenom pretty hard, as much as we love AMD. X4 will be futureproof, so much so that when games start accepting multiple cores, processors will be just as much important as the video card you buy. AMD are currently making kickass CPUs, however, Core2 are making epic CPUs. A new generation of CPU are coming into the picture, unless your desires are burning holes in your pocket, I suggest holding onto your cash for just a bit longer. If not, i hear the 9950s are taking ass and kicking names pretty good.

btarunr · Sep 18, 2008

No,

by whipa**, if you mean that which beats Nehalem the way K8 beat Netbursts, no, not anytime soon.

Darren · Sep 18, 2008

OtopC said:
I got my girlfriend a PC with a AMD Phenom X3 8750. This processor seems to be much slower than my E8400, especially when playing games which is its primary use, even though it has 2Gb more of faster ram (1066) than mine (800). Is a upgrade to the X4 worth the money for the performance again?

When is AMD going to make whipass CPU's again?

If you really want help you should state the full specification of your GF's new computer because right now you're just shifting the blame. The Phenom X3 8750 is a good processor and is just as fast as the E8500 in gaming if not faster.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/amd_phenom_x3_8750/8.htm
Let's concentrate on the highest resolution tested which is 19200x1200 in game test only since you said the problem is in games.

Crysis -Intel E8500 wins
Knights in the sea - Phenom X3 8750 wins
BioShock - Phenom X3 8750 wins
Call of Duty 4 - Phenom X3 8750 wins
World In Conflict - Intel E8500 wins
Call of Juarez - Phenom X3 8750 wins
Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts - Phenom X3 8750 wins

The Phenom X3 8750 has won majority of "gaming" benchmarks and therefore if gaming is the activity you want the Phenom X3 is capable at carry out the task. If your GF's performance is slower than the E8500 then some else is causing it, but don't blame the Phenom X3 8750 because they are clearly faster in games.

3870x2 said:
AMD are currently making kickass CPUs, however, Core2 are making epic CPUs.

The Phenom X3 8750 is cheaper and faster in games so by your own definition they must be kick ass and epic too?

DaedalusHelios · Sep 18, 2008

Darren said:
If you really want help you should state the full specification of your GF's new computer because right now you're just shifting the blame. The Phenom X3 8750 is a good processor and is just as fast as the E8500 in gaming if not faster.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/amd_phenom_x3_8750/8.htm
Let's concentrate on the highest resolution tested which is 19200x1200 in game test only since you said the problem is in games.

Crysis -Intel E8500 wins
Knights in the sea - Phenom X3 8750 wins
BioShock - Phenom X3 8750 wins
Call of Duty 4 - Phenom X3 8750 wins
World In Conflict - Intel E8500 wins
Call of Juarez - Phenom X3 8750 wins
Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts - Phenom X3 8750 wins

The Phenom X3 8750 has won majority of "gaming" benchmarks and therefore if gaming is the activity you want the Phenom X3 is capable at carry out the task. If your GF's performance is slower than the E8500 then some else is causing it, but don't blame the Phenom X3 8750 because they are clearly faster in games.

The Phenom X3 8750 is cheaper and faster in games so by your own definition they must be kick ass and epic too?

We are referring to OC too. :roll:

Al phenoms OC.......... kinda bad when compared to Intel right now. Will that X3 8750 touch 4.5Ghz with ease.... not with anything short of Liquid Nitrogen.

This is an enthusiast forum, chances are that OC is on the menu.

Darren · Sep 18, 2008

DaedalusHelios said:
We are referring to OC too.

Al phenoms OC.......... kinda bad when compared to Intel right now. Will that X3 8750 touch 4.5Ghz with ease.... not with anything short of Liquid Nitrogen.

This is an enthusiast forum, chances are that OC is on the menu.

The thread starter didn't mention anything to do with overclocking so your entire statement was redundant and irrelevant. The bottom line is the Phenom X3 8750 as fast and sometimes faster than E8500 in games, some people may say equivalent. So obviously the thread starter has another hardware/software related issue which is causing this low performance and his processor is being used as an excuse to misplace blame. You'd be better off giving the thread starter advice to solving his issue rather than bringing up irrelevant information on overclocking and liquid nitrogen theories. :roll:

dark2099 · Sep 18, 2008

Darren said:
If you really want help you should state the full specification of your GF's new computer because right now you're just shifting the blame. The Phenom X3 8750 is a good processor and is just as fast as the E8500 in gaming if not faster.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/amd_phenom_x3_8750/8.htm
Let's concentrate on the highest resolution tested which is 19200x1200 in game test only since you said the problem is in games.

Crysis -Intel E8500 wins
Knights in the sea - Phenom X3 8750 wins
BioShock - Phenom X3 8750 wins
Call of Duty 4 - Phenom X3 8750 wins
World In Conflict - Intel E8500 wins
Call of Juarez - Phenom X3 8750 wins
Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts - Phenom X3 8750 wins

The Phenom X3 8750 has won majority of "gaming" benchmarks and therefore if gaming is the activity you want the Phenom X3 is capable at carry out the task. If your GF's performance is slower than the E8500 then some else is causing it, but don't blame the Phenom X3 8750 because they are clearly faster in games.

The Phenom X3 8750 is cheaper and faster in games so by your own definition they must be kick ass and epic too?

In my personal opinion, that whole test is flawed on the sole fact that only the X3 8750 was overclocked (even if slightly) and none of the other CPU's were. By overclocking one CPU and not the others in effect you aren't testing the product as it comes in it box as they did with all the other CPUs. Any type of experiment or test should have a constant between all tests otherwise all data is skewed.

HolyCow02 · Sep 18, 2008

Darren said:
The thread starter didn't mention anything to do with overclocking so your entire statement was redundant and irrelevant. The bottom line is the Phenom X3 8750 as fast and sometimes faster than E8500 in games, some people may say equivalent. So obviously the thread starter has another hardware/software related issue which is causing this low performance and his processor is being used as an excuse to misplace blame. You'd be better off giving the thread starter advice to solving his issue rather than bringing up irrelevant information on overclocking and liquid nitrogen theories.

I agree. Plus this is just a general hardware forum not the enthusiast forum. If he was talking about overclocking, that probably would have gone in the "overclocking & cooling" forum :rolleyes:

Fitseries3 · Sep 18, 2008

arent threads like this not allowed on TPU... or any forum? this is totally a flame war between intel and amd fans.

Darren · Sep 18, 2008

dark2099 said:
In my personal opinion, that whole test is flawed on the sole fact that only the X3 8750 was overclocked (even if slightly) and none of the other CPU's were. By overclocking one CPU and not the others in effect you aren't testing the product as it comes in it box as they did with all the other CPUs. Any type of experiment or test should have a constant between all tests otherwise all data is skewed.

Indeed, I agree the test could of been more comprehensive but no test is perfect I guess. But to be fair when I posted the below I was talking about only the non overclocked X3 8750 vs a non overclocked E8500 in the gaming tests.

Crysis -Intel E8500 wins
Knights in the sea - Phenom X3 8750 wins
BioShock - Phenom X3 8750 wins
Call of Duty 4 - Phenom X3 8750 wins
World In Conflict - Intel E8500 wins
Call of Juarez - Phenom X3 8750 wins
Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts - Phenom X3 8750 wins

fitseries3 said:
arent threads like this not allowed on TPU... or any forum? this is totally a flame war between intel and amd fans.

I agree these types of threads shouldn't be allowed otherwise you get fan boys bashing official benchmarks, not reading what the thread starters says, and assume extra enhancements such as overclocking as justification for a better chip despite both chips being somewhat equivalent.

My overall message to the thread starter is: Please can you post your full system specification so that we can find out what the "real" cause of your low performance is

dark2099 · Sep 18, 2008

Gah, I hadn't noticed they compared both the stock and OCed 8750 in that comparison. Never mind my original post.

cdawall · Sep 18, 2008

silly question what video card is in the AMD?

3870x2 · Sep 18, 2008

fitseries3 said:
arent threads like this not allowed on TPU... or any forum? this is totally a flame war between intel and amd fans.

yeah, the flaming hasnt started yet, but soon im sure someone will go at it. If we could argue with fully presentable facts, it would still get us nowhere. we might as well stop arguing about it and realize that AMD > ALL.

btarunr · Sep 18, 2008

Overclocking & Cooling is for "help me with this OC" ; "How far can I take it?", etc. ; not "Intel OC's better than AMD" either. This indeed is the right forum (if used maturely). Secondly, there are ways in which you discuss things. If "you are a fanboy" is the only point people end up making, thread gets closed.

cdawall · Sep 18, 2008

bet that the OP has HD3200 on the AMD and thats why it sucks in gaming

sneekypeet · Sep 18, 2008

cdawall said:
bet that the OP has HD3200 on the AMD and thats why it sucks in gaming

OP has an ASUS HD3870 512 card!!!

cdawall · Sep 18, 2008

sneekypeet said:
OP has an ASUS HD3870 512 card!!!

yea so his system has a 3870 and the AMD is running a HD3200 and you would wonder why they had diff performance levels

OtopC · Sep 19, 2008

cdawall said:
yea so his system has a 3870 and the AMD is running a HD3200 and you would wonder why they had diff performance levels

she is running a 9600GT that came with the PC. I found this review that confirm what I'm saying about the gaming performance.
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-x3-8750_6.html#sect0

GameSinewPCs · Sep 19, 2008

The X3 is not as fast of a processor (in game terms, efficiency or frequency) as the E8400, but it's somewhat irrelevant as your main inhibitor in this situation would be the 9600GT. Although the 9600 is a solid card, the 3870 will outperform it. Keep in mind that most Games are More GPU bound than CPU bound while having a faster cpu will affect performance, it is usuallly much more dependant on the GPU.

OtopC · Sep 19, 2008

3870x2 said:
not sure what your avatar insinuates, hopefully that is glue...
multiple cores higher than 2 cores arent very good for gaming, and unfortunately core2 > phenom pretty hard, as much as we love AMD. X4 will be futureproof, so much so that when games start accepting multiple cores, processors will be just as much important as the video card you buy. AMD are currently making kickass CPUs, however, Core2 are making epic CPUs. A new generation of CPU are coming into the picture, unless your desires are burning holes in your pocket, I suggest holding onto your cash for just a bit longer. If not, i hear the 9950s are taking ass and kicking names pretty good.

thanks dude and on the toppic of glue.......

DaedalusHelios · Sep 19, 2008

OtopC said:
she is running a 9600GT that came with the PC. I found this review that confirm what I'm saying about the gaming performance.
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-x3-8750_6.html#sect0

Interesting link. Now you see where I am coming from. :pimp:

I think its possible that in multi gpu situations the X3 would be better because of the way I have seen scaling with quads versus dual core but its hard to say without it being tested out.

A little bit of OC might help to pull it out of the way its performing "differently".

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