gtx 480 and gtx 570 both tempting
 

i am looking to buy a new card too but which should i take :

msi gtx 480 twin frozr II (229 euro) or

msi gtx 570 TFIII (310 euro)

I have a 900W antec psu(sli later ;) )

570. 480, while a monster runs too hot and uses too much power compared to the more efficient 570.

i don't really know about the 570, i saw some trubritar videos whenever there is some intense action the fps of the 570 dips a lot, and about the 480 it uses a good cooler the temps on stock don't go above 68C :S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pZB4FMp-2w

I'd definitely say go 570 no question about it. You can always overclock it to match 480 performance all while keeping within the same thermal envelope and temps. Maybe even exceed a 480...I don't know too much about Nvidias 400/500 series GPUs.

but considering price/performance right now, and the 480 can be oc'd to 850 or even 900 core clock with a well ventilated case

Price/performance, the 480 definitely takes it no question. If your leaning toward that route, I'd make sure that case ventilation is #1 priority(if you want to save the most money). Unless your going get an aftermarket cooler for it later on, it all depends on the temps. 480's are known to go up to the 85c-90c range under full load, so if your going to save a few bucks you better invest in good card cooling or case cooling.

I have owned a 480 for over a year now, I know its a bit of an extreme model but I have never owned a more solid card. Min-FPS is fantastic and the larger memory buffer will help next year over the 570 if playing 1920 x 1080 and up. 480s have great VRM/PWM and can take a beating and will clock like champs as long as the heat is under control, just like everyone said. My 480 runs as strong as my 580@912MHz and that's saying something. Go 480! even if you have to run your case open, it's cheaper and better.

you do have a point, they are hot, but only with a stock cooler and this one is(i don't know if anyone noticed a msi twin frozr II the temperature doesn't go above 70C at full load in futuremark,the case is antec 300 with fans in the front,back,up and sideways,the only issue is the TDP 100W more than a gtx 570

nicely said but if your gtx 480 runs like 580 what kind of clocks do you have? :respect:
and what is about the average max of a gtx 480 c/m/s since i'm going sli to powerup 3 monitors i need the extra VRAM but is a HCG900 going to be enough for 2 of them and
i7 960 @ 4.+ Ghz

EDIT: forgot to add, the hydrocooper gtx 480 is 279 euro but since this is my first time pc build i don't know how to install watercooling

if u look at the specs 480 vs 570 the first u see is that they got the same amount of cuda cores 480, there r 2 places where the 480 got better than 570 that is the 1536mb GDDR5 memory vs. 1280mb GDDR5 memory and than there is the Memory Interface Width 480 got 384bit while 570 only got 320bit but on the other way GTX570 uses less power than GTX480, it also got HDMI1.4a.

u can look more here, but i will still say buy a little more and take the GTX570 u won't be disappointed not even i am, i upgraded from a MSI N460GTX Hawk.

GeForce GTX 480 & GeForce GTX 570

it's only normal specs ino that but still it can make a fine compare between them when it's specs.

I'd get the gtx 480 :) better fps!

I takes about 70MHz core for a 480 to match a 580. My 480 runs 972MHz , my 580 runs 912MHz and in GPU only benchmarks they are within 1 frame of each other. Don't expect a core that high, but on air in a well ventilated scenario 900MHz and under 85C is very possible on a 480. I would be to scared to over-volt the 570 and it is more expensive but yes missing the 32cuda core cluster is worth about 65-70MHz vs a 580.

Also overclocking the memory has little gaming effect on the 480 or any of the high-bus bandwidth cards. There is so much throughput with GDDR5 on a wide Nvidia bus. 200Gb/s is easily enough so don't sweat it, just adds a few points in 3Dmark11. To me considering the price difference it would be 480 all the way. The 570 is quieter and cooler-running and has the Furmark limiter.

okay in all of W1z's benches the cards are neck and neck, and I can tell you the 480 overclocks just as well as the 570 and in many cases it overclocks better than the 570 simply due to it's better power phases.

but seriously i can't believe anyone would be recommending a freaking 80 euro increase for the same damned performance. That's a 35% price increase for a 0% performance increase...seriously it's not freaking rocket science.

thanks guys now i am even more leaning to the 480 and i'm buying it :D

hope u will be happy with ur new heater ;)

The Twin Frozr III have "better power phases" too.

It's most likely the factory OC'd one (based on the price). It also uses a bigger cooler/more heatpipes/thicker heatpipes/new fan.


EDIT: Also regarding SLI...if we have similar specs, GTX 570 in SLI is recommended to have 850W. But a GTX 480 consumes 62W more than a GTX 570, i.e. 900W-850W=50W, your PSU may not be enough. Unless of course your other components use way less power than mine.

Hi

GTX 480
Pros:
-was top of the range
-supports 8 + 6 Power connectors (more room for OC)
-large memory buffer
-Reference PCB, more chance of getting hold of a waterblock

Cons:
-requires a 600w PSU
-consumes more energy
-runs very hot
-end of line, picking up a card later on may prove a challenge
-screams out for H2o
-Bios update required, due to MSI pre OC
-may require new PSU if you put these in SLi

GTX 570
Pros:
-requires a 550w PSU
-slightly higher clock
-slightly higher shaders
-slightly higher memory
-is newer, more chance of picking one of these up in near future to SLi

Cons:
-second in class
-supports 6 + 6 Power connectors (less room for OC)
-smaller memory buffer
-(may be) non reference PCB (less chance of getting water block to fit)

nb: If your system is running a card that plays the games you like now; Wait as the GTX's should fall in price again when AMD release their HD7xxx series toward the end of this month (finger crossed)

atb

Law-II

I agree the 480 can run hot but honestly that's under poor conditions such as, Auto fan, Poor case ventilation or high ambient temps. With a slightly aggressive fan profile in MSI Afterburner such as 70% fan speed at 65C and 90% at 78C will control the heat early and not let it build up. As long as the case is decent and the room is not 85F and up you wont encounter the the "Hot" 480 people are talking about. In poor conditions the 570 will run at a lower temp thanks to a vapor chamber vs heat pipes. This is TPU and I'm sure cooling for you will be handled well as you obviously are here and know what your doing. That said if it was my money it would be 480 and ill save the 80 dollar for something else later on.

Usually GTX480 would sell for similar price to GTX570 having similar performance and all, but in this case even though GTX570 runs cooler and less power, the fact is the GTX480 is $81 cheaper, that's a baker's dozen, think of the savings! (+1 internet for whoever recognises this meme)

I say go ahead and pick up the bargain GTX480 just because it's not just cheaper, it's a LOT cheaper :D

Go 570. framerate performance is roughly equivalent, but the 570 uses the second gen Fermi chip, which gives several benefits, especially in heat and power.

Don't forget that running cooler, it will also be more reliable in the long term. It looks like tech products are expensive in Croatia, so you don't want to buy another card when it fails just out of warranty.

The smaller frame buffer on the 570 makes no practical difference.

GTX 480, as it's cheaper than the 570. The GTX 480's power consumption, noise and heat depends on its load stock voltage; early cards, notably from EVGA, were released with very high load stock voltage, making these cards hotter and more power hungry. Idle voltage is 0.962v and for load you should get 0.987v; both my cards are like this and I undervolt them to 0.913v reducing heat, noise and power a great deal, believe me. EDIT: The power phase on the GTX 480 is much better than on the GTX 570. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...killed-yours-)

I just bought a EVGA 480 and it kicks ass for the price. I kicked up the fan to 60% and setup some overclocking profiles in afterburner. Why buy a 570 that cost more and might reach a 480's performance? Buy the 480 and overclock it to a 580. You can take off the heatsink and remove that big thermal pad and apply some good thermal compound (AC) and the temps will drop. I vote the 480.

EDIT: People say the 570 can perform like a 480.. but remember the 570 can't shit the extra memory the 480 has already. :toast:

I'm just wondering about the pricing though. Over here the GTX 480s never really got cheap, they just "faded away" so to speak.

What it come down to is this. Games this holiday season especially BF:3 and many more titles next year will eclipse the 1GB VRAM mark. Some games already do but not many, BC2 on avg for me uses ~900MB VRAM. The 480 will perform better in the long run with that larger memory buffer. Heat is for most of us not an issue with this card because we know how to set it up so it doesn't get that hot. Honestly my buddies EVGA GTX 480 with V-Sync off in BC2 gets up to about 83-85C max, thats @880MHz and the stock air cooler with a fairly aggressive fan profile. V-sync on it stays well under 80C. The only downside is that the 480 is not as quiet as the 570 but not worth the extra money. Also if you plan to SLI definitly go 480 and get another used later. the framebuffer will carry it further in SLI than the 570.

i have the 570 and its quite and idle is 0.912v load 0.987v temps idle low 30's load low 60's high 50's depends on the game

but im also on a rack so temps are not goint to be the same in a case

but also if his going to get the 480 and needs a h2o its going to come out more in the end

The difference in price from where the OP lives between the 2 cards is astonishing for the same performance and indeed it favours the GTX480. It's not 80$ difference it's 80 Euro which is roughly 120$.