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btarunr Jul 16, 2012 10:02 AM

AMD Desktop "Trinity" APUs Delayed to October, Clubbed with FX "Vishera" Launch
 
AMD reportedly deferred the launch of its next-generation "Trinity" A-series accelerated processing units (APUs) for desktops, to October, 2012. The products were originally slated for August. The delay affects launches of most APUs in the socket FM2 package, including the A10-5800K, a top-performing part in the series.

Launches of the A-Series "Trinity" APUs appear to have been clubbed with those of the FX-Series "Volan" (Vishera silicon, Piledriver micro-architecture) processors, including the FX-8350 and FX-6300. Meanwhile, AMD is in the process of phasing out its low-cost socket AM3 processors (such as Athlon II AM3, and Phenom II AM3), replacing them with Athlon II FM2, Phenom II AM3+, and mid-range FX-Series AM3+.

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Source: DigiTimes

Slacker Jul 16, 2012 10:44 AM

Is the Phenom II Am3+ any better?
 
If they re-release another series of Phenom II Am3+, it should be the same micro-architecture, in the same nm as the FX series and same controller. If that happens, then I'll jump right in and overclock it as hell while conserving power and less heat than the FX series.

dezz Jul 16, 2012 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slacker (Post 2676611)
If they re-release another series of Phenom II Am3+, it should be the same micro-architecture, in the same nm as the FX series and same controller. If that happens, then I'll jump right in and overclock it as hell while conserving power and less heat than the FX series.

No way, IMHO. The first&last Star series @ 32nm was Llano.
They has only the name in common, like in case of Athlon II that was first a Deneb (alias Phenom II) with L3 disabled, and then a Llano with disabled IGP.

btarunr Jul 16, 2012 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slacker (Post 2676611)
If they re-release another series of Phenom II Am3+, it should be the same micro-architecture, in the same nm as the FX series and same controller. If that happens, then I'll jump right in and overclock it as hell while conserving power and less heat than the FX series.

Phenom II AM3+ is essentially FX "Zambezi" with locked multiplier.

Slacker Jul 16, 2012 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dezz (Post 2676624)
No way, IMHO. The first&last Star series @ 32nm was Llano.
They has only the name in common, like in case of Athlon II that was first a Deneb (alias Phenom II) with L3 disabled, and then a Llano with disabled IGP.

Llano is exactly an Athlon II with IGP, weak clocks, and no L3 cache. Because of the fact that it is an IGP and the cpu cores in 1 die, it was hindered from high clocks.

Slacker Jul 16, 2012 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btarunr (Post 2676626)
Phenom II AM3+ is essentially FX "Zambezi" with locked multiplier.

That sucks then

sergionography Jul 16, 2012 11:26 AM

Wth is Phenom ii am3+ ?
It has to be next Gen stuff, because there is no way amd is replacing old CPU inventory to fill up also on to be old Gen inventory , also there is no athlon ii fm2, nor Phenom ii am+ apart from the comparable am3 phenoms. Tho one might think they can at least call them Phenom III and athlon III if they are new

NC37 Jul 16, 2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Slacker (Post 2676629)
Llano is exactly an Athlon II with IGP, weak clocks, and no L3 cache. Because of the fact that it is an IGP and the cpu cores in 1 die, it was hindered from high clocks.

I remember a few reports of some Llanos getting some real high clocks.

Is disappointing about Trinity. For all AMD tried to do to get a good supply out after what happened with Llano...Trinity has sure been a terrible launch.

dezz Jul 16, 2012 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slacker (Post 2676629)
Llano is exactly an Athlon II with IGP, weak clocks, and no L3 cache. Because of the fact that it is an IGP and the cpu cores in 1 die, it was hindered from high clocks.

Names are just names... Looking inside, as I wrote, at first Athlon II's was based on the 45nm Deneb die (with Family 10h cores), with L3 disabled. The Llano die, that later Athlon II's was based on, was a 32nm part, containing also somewhat newer (IIRC Family 12h) cores (while still Stars, basically). And of course, an IGP, that were disabled here (unlike in case of full featured Llanos).

thunderising Jul 16, 2012 11:54 AM

Too late.

AvonX Jul 16, 2012 05:11 PM

I know why they will be released together. Its because the fx series won't be that great so they are releasing them together to try and get more sales on the fx processors.

tacosRcool Jul 16, 2012 08:41 PM

They should just release all of them by now. Intel got the jump on them this generation

happita Jul 16, 2012 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tacosRcool (Post 2677001)
They should just release all of them by now. Intel got the jump on them this generation

When has Intel NOT had the jump on AMD? Oh...right, 6 long years ago with Athlon :roll:

dezz Jul 17, 2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happita (Post 2677050)
When has Intel NOT had the jump on AMD? Oh...right, 6 long years ago with Athlon :roll:

When you consider computation power, not just CPU power... The OpenCL capable IGP's of Llano and Trinity can bring a 2-50x speed-up (depending on the task), compared to an i7 Sandy Bridge (its IGP doesn't support OpenCL), and also faster than Ivy Bridge.

Aquinus Jul 17, 2012 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dezz (Post 2677709)
When you consider computation power, not just CPU power... The OpenCL capable IGP's of Llano and Trinity can bring a 2-50x speed-up (depending on the task), compared to an i7 Sandy Bridge (its IGP doesn't support OpenCL), and also faster than Ivy Bridge.

It's a nice perk, unfortunately most software doesn't use OpenCL acceleration.

pantherx12 Jul 17, 2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquinus (Post 2677889)
It's a nice perk, unfortunately most software doesn't use OpenCL acceleration.

Aye got a long way to go, fortunately a lot of editing suites are becoming opencl accelerated which is great.

BeepBeep2 Jul 18, 2012 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btarunr (Post 2676626)
Phenom II AM3+ is essentially FX "Zambezi" with locked multiplier.

This "rumor" that came from Jetway's website ("Phenom II X8") contained part numbers of AMD FX Engineering Samples, stepping B0. They were simply guesses on the part of Jetway marketing/engineering on the future part names of the Engineering Samples, before AMD decided to resurrect the "FX" moniker.

Why you guys keep reporting false news is beyond me.

dezz Jul 18, 2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquinus (Post 2677889)
It's a nice perk, unfortunately most software doesn't use OpenCL acceleration.

At the moment. Although, users are in the need of more and more performance in many fields, but they can't expect significant performance increase in CPU performance these days (years, really)... No performance increase: decreasing software sales. So, GPGPU is the way to go.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2 (Post 2678057)
This "rumor" that came from Jetway's website ("Phenom II X8") contained part numbers of AMD FX Engineering Samples, stepping B0. They were simply guesses on the part of Jetway marketing/engineering on the future part names of the Engineering Samples, before AMD decided to resurrect the "FX" moniker.

I don't think the source of this information was such an old news. It should be much more fresh news.

Ravenas Jul 20, 2012 05:48 PM

AMD lost one of their APU engineer's to Apple:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...goes-to-apple/

INSTG8R Jul 20, 2012 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tacosRcool (Post 2677001)
They should just release all of them by now. Intel got the jump on them this generation

Maybe in the CPU department but Intel has nothing in the APU department at all. That is where AMD has the jump on Intel ;)

AvonX Jul 20, 2012 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenas (Post 2680129)
AMD lost one of their APU engineer's to Apple:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...goes-to-apple/

That is great news. Hopefully they will drop this silly architecture all together.
They are digging their own hole with this nonsense.

Ravenas Jul 20, 2012 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvonX (Post 2680202)
That is great news. Hopefully they will drop this silly architecture all together.
They are digging their own hole with this nonsense.

Actually you are buying an APU that is cheaper and reviews higher benchmark than the Intel counter part. These processors are extremely important in order to compete with Intel.


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