Originally Posted by DarkMatter
1. I just wanted to be sure the point was caught. But I again emphatize that it's important, if you really want to be fair, to say things as they are and as they will be for most pleople (you can always and "but when..." after that). Enthusiast don't need to know what is faster than what and when, they learn it themselves. Newbies that enter this kind of forums everytime they need to buy their next card with their hard earned money (or 18 months of mommy's pay) does. For every enthusiast that posts here 100 visitors come in and read what we post here. Thse guys won't mod, probably won't even oC, so saying xxxx is better based on anything but what they can buy in stores, is missleading, and because they know nothing they will follow what's being said here as a Bibble. You want to be fair? BE fair then.
6. I studied 2 years of engineering, that doesn't make me an expert, but I do read a lot too. So I guess it just boils down to who has the bigger pennis? There's no need IMHO, when I'm always saying that I'm not sure of anything, as nothing is certain, I think it's this point of view the right one. On the other hand it is you and lemonadesoda saying HOW things ARE GOING to happen. Unless you have a cristal ball you should have not replied in the first place, because I just pointed out we did noy know nothing.
On the other hand, being that your father worked for Ati is not a surprise that you think what you think. It wouldn't matter if he was the lead engineer, you'd have only been told half the story. It's there where the key is. Ati believes in one way of doing things, Nvidia in the completely oposite one. Both have the best experts in the world. So the ABSOLUTE truth is Nvidia is wrong? Again you were only told half the story, or better said you just decided to believe half the story. I read both and I believe in both.
About the IHS, as you said is there for noobs to not break the card more than anything IMO. And it's not something to joke about, many friends broke their chips when changing the cooler. What are you going to say? That they were noobs and shouldn't have touched anything? They were noobs in fact, but they did take a lot of care. If you can't see the value an IHS can be for the masses, then your point 1. doesnt make sense at all, you are reducing even more the installed base of people that would run something different than stock. OH and what heat issues????
Whoa whoa whoa... My father has worked for a bunch of companies, and don't get the wrong impression. He worked with them back when the Rage 128 was being put together. I'm using that as a reference to sources I have for information. If you're saying you want a completely fair comparison than a 4870 will wax and stomp the floor with 260s on the market that are running stock speeds. Give the general population of gamers a bit more respect. Not all of them, myself included, suck on mom's teet and buy a card only to learn nothing about it.
What heat issues??? Just look on Google "GTX280 IHS". There you'll find people in strange discussions talking about how their GTX280 is overheating to 113C because of incorrect contact with the IHS causing an insulating effect to the GPU. ATi does not have an IHS on their new chips and they are sold to the masses. Get a grip... I'm sorry your friends broke their chips. There are unfortunate accidents every day, but that's no reason to put another thermal barrier between the die and the cooler.