I'll bite;
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Originally Posted by os2wiz
The pricing for pre-orders is NOT official AMD pricing. Why are you guys so unaware of a simple fact like this. Pre-order pricing is always higher than the actual recommended price by AMD. The same thing happened with Bulldozer. The actual post-release pricing will be in the $240's for the FX-8350.
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People are aware how it works, but the fact is BD CPU's were marked up something like 10-20% when they first launched because they were new and exciting and if I recall the initial shipments were pretty small so retailers wanted to maximize profits. The original "AMD Price" for BD CPU's was substantially lower than most people who bought them immediately paid. Most of the super marked up BD CPU's were also on sketchy sites from like Romania, this one seems to be a bit more legitimate.
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Originally Posted by os2wiz
It is NOT simply a budget-conscious cpu as the site operator is claiming he obviously buys into the OBR bulls--t.
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The same OBR who was shamed for saying Bulldozer would perform worse than Phenom II when applications used 4 or less threads and everyone ridiculed him saying it was impossible? OBR is definitely hit or miss, but saying he is completely bullshit when he was spot on with Bulldozer is foolish. As for the site operators, I've seen plenty of instances where bta/wiz ignore stories everyone else is reporting on because they use objective reasoning rather than just posting whatever the hell they think will get hits.
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Originally Posted by os2wiz
This cpu is 15% faster than Bulldozer on IPC. That is not a guess it is a fact. AMD stated this months ago.
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Well if AMD's Grade A marketting team said it, it must be so. The same people that showed the FX Series crushing Intel CPU's in gaming during countless presentations have never been wrong (hint--sarcasm).
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Originally Posted by os2wiz
This cpu will be faster than I7 2600k for multithreaded apps and definitely be a close competitior to the I7 2600k in gaming. Objective benchmarking will NOT be available until after the release date. I expect this chip to be the best high performance bargain cpu in the market. Intel will have nothing to match up against it within $60 higher in price. They will be forced to lower 2600K pricing and I do not think that will work when the facts are out.
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It needs to be on par with the i7-2600k when it comes to gaming, and BD already edges out the Core CPU's when the conditions are perfect (AMD approved instruction sets are usable and it uses 8 threads). The problem with BD was that it could offer comperable performance, but needed to be OCed and devoured power while running quite a bit warmer than Intel offerings at the time. I find it troubling that you see nothing wrong with the fact that AMDis happy to be almost 2 years behind Intel at all times. The i7-2600k is nearing EOL, and Intel will probably lower the prices naturally to clear out stock.
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Originally Posted by os2wiz
This is the beginning of AMD's turnaround . Together with the Trinity APU's Intel is definitely going to lose market share.
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I disagree. Where Intel may lose Market Share due to APU's, you're ignoring their Ace In The Hole--Mobile CPU's. Intel's Medfield, their first entry into the Cell Phone market, was substantially better than expected, and showed that x86 was just as capable as ARM. If Intel has shown anything, it's that with a process shrink and some tweaking they can give surprisingly huge improvements, and I think they are poised to make a huge impact in that market, which is much larger than the laptop market is. AMD still has no plans for manufacturing processors for mobile phones or tablets, which means they are missing out on a massively lucrative market.
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Originally Posted by os2wiz
When Steamroller comes out at the same time as Hasbeen in 2013 I see the end of Intel domination being in the not too distant future. AMD should make huge inroads into the portable (laptop) market and the desktop is coming soon after. Bye bye Intel fan boys!
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Steamroller will probably not be out until the end of 2013 or even as far as early to mid 2014. Haswell will be a huge performance gain considering it's an architecture change rather than a refinement. I imagine at least as big of an impact as Sandy Bridge had, and probably the beginning of Intel switching to adding more cores for entry level CPU's (probably offering only Quad-Cores on 1150, but 6-8 cores on the high-end platform). All of that aside, everything indicates Piledriver will be more of a refinement than an overhaul, and that Steamroller will be a much large performance gain. I think per-thread performance on high end Intel offerings will still be greater than the highest end Vishera offering, and Haswell will launch quite a bit earlier than Steamroller giving Intel the price/performance edge they have kind of slid into since Sandy Bridge.