Front panel USB not providing enough juice?

Cybrnook2002 · Nov 4, 2008, 12:25 PM

I have an ASUS P5E motherboard (Maximus formula) It has 4 or 5 usb's on the back, and two headers on the board for front panel USB. I use the front panel usb's because my case has two jacks on the top and my pc sits under my desk so its easier than crawling under. The problem is a have a Western Digital external power only by usb (no external power source needed). It works fine when i plug it into the back, but when i use the front panel it is not supplying enough juice for the HD to spin up properly. Is there something I can do to remedy this? It worked on my old Abit board, so I know its possible, I am just assuming it does not have enough power?

lemonadesoda · Nov 4, 2008, 01:17 PM

This is a very common problem: USB port does not have enough power to drive a 2.5" HDD. I have had hundreds of wasted minutes on this issue. Some laptops will work, some PCs will work, some wont, some HDDs just manage to get started up but risk "device errors", and other plain fail.

If you want to use a HDD on the USB port then you need a powered device, or a powered HUB port (this was my solution), or one of those clever HDDs that have a little battery (or capacitor) inside that trickle charges and gives a bit of extra oompf as an when power draw is required, like startup, seek and write.

I have found 2.5" HDD over USB so unreliable that I have given up with them, and now LAN everything (NAS fileserver), or have a couple of (large capacity) USB sticks.

IN YOUR CASE
Why dont you do an internal re-route of your front panel connectors to a different USB device header. Perhaps on your mainboard you have some headers that replicate the backpanel sockets. These might be "higher powered" than the one for the front panel that was designed for keysticks etc.

Cybrnook2002 · Nov 4, 2008, 01:23 PM

What voltage am I going to be looking for? Another idea...couldn't I just splice the power from the second USB header into the one im using off the motherboard. Run them in parallel. Or would they still being drawing from the same point on the motherboard even though they are two separate headers?

DanTheBanjoman · Nov 4, 2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybrnook2002

What voltage am I going to be looking for? Another idea...couldn't I just splice the power from the second USB header into the one im using off the motherboard. Run them in parallel. Or would they still being drawing from the same point on the motherboard even though they are two separate headers?

Not voltages, Amperes. 500mA. And yes you can split power, many enclosures come with an extra cable for this purpose.

lemonadesoda · Nov 4, 2008, 01:43 PM

If you are serious about splicing and dicing, then there is a simpler option:

Install a cheap PCI USB controller with an INTERNAL connector(s) as well as 1/2/3 on the backplane.

Use the internal connector to drive your front panel.

Cost: $5.

Risk: $0.

Nov 4, 2008, 12:25 PM	#1
Cybrnook2002 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 700 (0.34/day) Thanks: 93 Thanked 95 Times in 86 Posts System Specs	Front panel USB not providing enough juice? I have an ASUS P5E motherboard (Maximus formula) It has 4 or 5 usb's on the back, and two headers on the board for front panel USB. I use the front panel usb's because my case has two jacks on the top and my pc sits under my desk so its easier than crawling under. The problem is a have a Western Digital external power only by usb (no external power source needed). It works fine when i plug it into the back, but when i use the front panel it is not supplying enough juice for the HD to spin up properly. Is there something I can do to remedy this? It worked on my old Abit board, so I know its possible, I am just assuming it does not have enough power?

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System Name:	Computer
Processor:	E8400 3.6GHZ 9 x Multi FSB 400
Motherboard:	Asus P5E
Cooling:	Xigmatek HDT-S1283 (AS5)
Memory:	2x2 GB DDR2 1066 corsair dominator 5-5-5-15 2T
Video Card:	ATI HD4350
Hard Disk:	2 x 320 GB WD Sata II, 1x Velociraptor 150GB, 1x Seagte 1 TB, 1x Seagate Barricuda 500GB 16mb
Optical Drive:	Samsung DVD-RW S202J / Samsung DVD-ROM D163B (Kreon)
CRT/LCD Model:	22" samsung T220HD
Case:	Lian LI HTPC case
Sound Card:	Asus Xonar X2D
PSU:	Corsair 650 Watt
Software:	Vista Ultimate X64
Benchmarks:	I bench about 500 lbs. One handed!

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Nov 4, 2008, 01:17 PM	#2
lemonadesoda Eligible for custom title Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,347 (2.15/day) Thanks: 750 Thanked 960 Times in 710 Posts System Specs	This is a very common problem: USB port does not have enough power to drive a 2.5" HDD. I have had hundreds of wasted minutes on this issue. Some laptops will work, some PCs will work, some wont, some HDDs just manage to get started up but risk "device errors", and other plain fail. If you want to use a HDD on the USB port then you need a powered device, or a powered HUB port (this was my solution), or one of those clever HDDs that have a little battery (or capacitor) inside that trickle charges and gives a bit of extra oompf as an when power draw is required, like startup, seek and write. I have found 2.5" HDD over USB so unreliable that I have given up with them, and now LAN everything (NAS fileserver), or have a couple of (large capacity) USB sticks. IN YOUR CASE Why dont you do an internal re-route of your front panel connectors to a different USB device header. Perhaps on your mainboard you have some headers that replicate the backpanel sockets. These might be "higher powered" than the one for the front panel that was designed for keysticks etc.

Nov 4, 2008, 01:23 PM	#3
Cybrnook2002 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 700 (0.34/day) Thanks: 93 Thanked 95 Times in 86 Posts System Specs	What voltage am I going to be looking for? Another idea...couldn't I just splice the power from the second USB header into the one im using off the motherboard. Run them in parallel. Or would they still being drawing from the same point on the motherboard even though they are two separate headers?

Nov 4, 2008, 01:43 PM	#5
lemonadesoda Eligible for custom title Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,347 (2.15/day) Thanks: 750 Thanked 960 Times in 710 Posts System Specs	If you are serious about splicing and dicing, then there is a simpler option: Install a cheap PCI USB controller with an INTERNAL connector(s) as well as 1/2/3 on the backplane. Use the internal connector to drive your front panel. Cost: $5. Risk: $0.

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