IDE, how I despise thee. No POST!?

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 5, 2008, 09:16 PM

Ok, my comp that I'm building won't post, but the processor/fan/board seem to be working fine.

Symptoms: No post or beep code.
USB devices plugged in have power
When IDE cable is removed, but power cable left, drives spin up and open, when plugged in they don't.

Still no noise then, but at least it's a sign.

325W power supply powering Foxconn 780G board, AMD 5000+ 65W, cheap samsung 80gb IDE drive and HP DVD reader, IDE

Any clues what might be causing my woes?

mlee49 · Dec 5, 2008, 09:34 PM

No Post has nothing to do with your HDD.

Try removing your IDE cable and just boot the board. It should POST without any HDD and let you get into the BIOS

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 5, 2008, 09:40 PM

It won't.

suraswami · Dec 5, 2008, 09:42 PM

clear cmos. And make sure you seated the ram properly.

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 5, 2008, 09:46 PM

Done and done, nothing.

mlee49 · Dec 5, 2008, 09:59 PM

No post sounds like it could be your ram, board, or cpu. Either that or your PSU is dead, but that would be strange if it powered your HDD's. Maybe the 12V line is bad???

How many sticks of ram do you have? Try running with just one in the first slot.

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 5, 2008, 10:11 PM

I've tried alternating memory.

Also, I've tried two PSUs.

Board lights up and has power through it.

I don't see that the CPU would be dead, this isn't my computer and the people want it within a few days so I really hope that's not it. Is there anything else it could be? Would plugging a mouse/keyboard in do any good?

I'm thinking it's searching for something that isn't there or something.

suraswami · Dec 5, 2008, 10:31 PM

did u plug in case speakers? if so note the beep codes and troubleshoot from there.

Remove the HS and see if the paste touches the cpu IHS. Reseat it and check and check to see if its tightly held. Make sure the brackets are tightly secure (my jeyway didn't and didn't make good contact, after tightening the screws it is golden.)

Did you try with both VGA and DVI outputs from the board? did you try with another video card?

Did you plug in the 12V cpu plug?

and oh, remove all the drives, optical, hdd, floppy, usb card reader everything, just board+cpu+HS+mem+keyboard+mouse should be there. see if you can boot.

"Would plugging a mouse/keyboard in do any good?" - so u didn't plug in the mouse and keyboard? Bios will default to Halt on all Errors and will not post unless u disable it.

mlee49 · Dec 5, 2008, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B1gg3stN00b

Would plugging a mouse/keyboard in do any good?

Probably not. The board should post with power, cpu, and ram(Mine does). If it has onboard video use that.

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 5, 2008, 11:18 PM

also, the keyboard flashes when i turn on the power but wont go onwith the comp

zithe · Dec 5, 2008, 11:28 PM

It could be a dead board or CPU. The fans and all will go with no CPU (I've run a PC with no CPU in it and it just revs every fan up to max) and possibly with a dead one.

Probably repeating things here.

Pinchy · Dec 5, 2008, 11:32 PM

Yeah my guess is dead board.

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 5, 2008, 11:35 PM

how long does it take for replacement?

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 5, 2008, 11:36 PM

power goes to things plugged in the board but only for a second

mlee49 · Dec 5, 2008, 11:40 PM

Still sounds like board, ram, or CPU. Anyone know of anything else we could do to figure this one out?

What are the specs on the board, cpu, and ram?

EDIT, found under post 1 sorry

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 5, 2008, 11:42 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Foxconn%20780g
ocz ddr2 800 still no response with no ram
athlon x2 5000+

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 5, 2008, 11:46 PM

would 2 standoffs not being installed cause this? the case is missing holes

Pinchy · Dec 5, 2008, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B1gg3stN00b

would 2 standoffs not being installed cause this? the case is missing holes

Na shouldnt affect it at all.

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 6, 2008, 01:17 AM

I figured out the problem! Bent processor pins!

Disaster was narrowly avoided when I used two razorblades to line them back up and straighten them into normal fashion, computer runs normally and smoothly now! I'm almost jealous, because this 780G chipset is highly impressive for a 50$ board.

mlee49 · Dec 6, 2008, 01:30 AM

Isn't that a ZIF socket? Easy with your install

B1gg3stN00b · Dec 6, 2008, 02:09 AM

AM2.

I just haven't touched a processor in a good year or so since getting my cert. and forgot to lift up on the little lever that locks the pins in place :P

ste2425 · Dec 8, 2008, 06:47 PM

hope this hasnt already been said but i had the same problem build my current rig, i got a new mobo with the cpu with it, it came with an ide cable but i thought id use my current one as it was longer but it did exactly what urs did, used the one that came with it and its worked perfect eversince. Do u have a cable that came with ur mobo or hdd? maybe a different cable i mean is it the ones with that sticky up bit to say which way round it is as my working cable has it, the nonworking one doesnt, just ideas hope it helps

Dec 5, 2008, 09:16 PM	#1
B1gg3stN00b Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 672 (0.33/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 111 Times in 102 Posts System Specs	IDE, how I despise thee. No POST!? Ok, my comp that I'm building won't post, but the processor/fan/board seem to be working fine. Symptoms: No post or beep code. USB devices plugged in have power When IDE cable is removed, but power cable left, drives spin up and open, when plugged in they don't. Still no noise then, but at least it's a sign. 325W power supply powering Foxconn 780G board, AMD 5000+ 65W, cheap samsung 80gb IDE drive and HP DVD reader, IDE Any clues what might be causing my woes?

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Dec 5, 2008, 09:40 PM	#3
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Dec 5, 2008, 09:46 PM	#5
B1gg3stN00b Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 672 (0.33/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 111 Times in 102 Posts System Specs	Done and done, nothing.

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mlee49 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: KU Posts: 6,921 (3.50/day) Thanks: 1,598 Thanked 2,048 Times in 1,602 Posts System Specs	No post sounds like it could be your ram, board, or cpu. Either that or your PSU is dead, but that would be strange if it powered your HDD's. Maybe the 12V line is bad??? How many sticks of ram do you have? Try running with just one in the first slot. __________________ Heatware: Mlee49 115-0

Dec 5, 2008, 10:11 PM	#7
B1gg3stN00b Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 672 (0.33/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 111 Times in 102 Posts System Specs	I've tried alternating memory. Also, I've tried two PSUs. Board lights up and has power through it. I don't see that the CPU would be dead, this isn't my computer and the people want it within a few days so I really hope that's not it. Is there anything else it could be? Would plugging a mouse/keyboard in do any good? I'm thinking it's searching for something that isn't there or something.

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suraswami Eligible for custom title Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 5,143 (1.73/day) Thanks: 851 Thanked 602 Times in 533 Posts System Specs	did u plug in case speakers? if so note the beep codes and troubleshoot from there. Remove the HS and see if the paste touches the cpu IHS. Reseat it and check and check to see if its tightly held. Make sure the brackets are tightly secure (my jeyway didn't and didn't make good contact, after tightening the screws it is golden.) Did you try with both VGA and DVI outputs from the board? did you try with another video card? Did you plug in the 12V cpu plug? and oh, remove all the drives, optical, hdd, floppy, usb card reader everything, just board+cpu+HS+mem+keyboard+mouse should be there. see if you can boot. "Would plugging a mouse/keyboard in do any good?" - so u didn't plug in the mouse and keyboard? Bios will default to Halt on all Errors and will not post unless u disable it. __________________ 2 Servers Multiple VMs including WHS on VM, capacity 3.5 TB HDD Family Machine - W7 Ultimate 64bit, ECS 780G, Phenom II X3 720BE @ 3.1Ghz- 1.38V, 4GB DDR2 800 ram, Sapphire 4670 512MB, 600W Ultra X pro, Xigmatek HDT-S1283 "Oh please, the only thing more resilient than an Indian is a cockroach. Not even nukes can stop their immune systems" - TheMailMan78

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B1gg3stN00b Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 672 (0.33/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 111 Times in 102 Posts System Specs	how long does it take for replacement?

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B1gg3stN00b Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 672 (0.33/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 111 Times in 102 Posts System Specs	power goes to things plugged in the board but only for a second

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mlee49 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: KU Posts: 6,921 (3.50/day) Thanks: 1,598 Thanked 2,048 Times in 1,602 Posts System Specs	Still sounds like board, ram, or CPU. Anyone know of anything else we could do to figure this one out? What are the specs on the board, cpu, and ram? EDIT, found under post 1 sorry __________________ Heatware: Mlee49 115-0

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B1gg3stN00b Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 672 (0.33/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 111 Times in 102 Posts System Specs	http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Foxconn%20780g ocz ddr2 800 still no response with no ram athlon x2 5000+

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B1gg3stN00b Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 672 (0.33/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 111 Times in 102 Posts System Specs	would 2 standoffs not being installed cause this? the case is missing holes

Dec 6, 2008, 01:17 AM	#19
B1gg3stN00b Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 672 (0.33/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 111 Times in 102 Posts System Specs	I figured out the problem! Bent processor pins! Disaster was narrowly avoided when I used two razorblades to line them back up and straighten them into normal fashion, computer runs normally and smoothly now! I'm almost jealous, because this 780G chipset is highly impressive for a 50$ board.

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mlee49 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: KU Posts: 6,921 (3.50/day) Thanks: 1,598 Thanked 2,048 Times in 1,602 Posts System Specs	Isn't that a ZIF socket? Easy with your install __________________ Heatware: Mlee49 115-0

Dec 6, 2008, 02:09 AM	#21
B1gg3stN00b Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 672 (0.33/day) Thanks: 87 Thanked 111 Times in 102 Posts System Specs	AM2. I just haven't touched a processor in a good year or so since getting my cert. and forgot to lift up on the little lever that locks the pins in place :P

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