What's wrong with our forum moderator staff?

[Mussels]

paulie and E are the mods for B/S/T, so its gunna be them who appears there the most. Other mods dont have the authority to enforce it.

my current problem: far too many references to illegal drugs. Moderators are having a discussion on it now, but i'd like some input from the general populace here. We stopped politics, guns, and pics of nudey girls because of the controversy, why are drugs any different?

[crazy pyro]

Personally I'm fine with them being mentioned in passing, however if someone starts getting accused of being a druggie or something an infraction gets sent the way of the accuser, DaMulta's post that Intel posted earlier in the thread may prove useful in some bizarre set of circumstances, however discussions of where to get them etc should obviously be moderated and they should probably be banned. I'd go along the lines of if it's illegal they get an infraction for it + anything else the mods see fit.

[Triprift]

Personally my self Mussels i dont really have a problem with it as it is real life as much as alot of ppl would like to egnore it and think its not. Ofcourse im also mindful that there are a number of younger ppl and other ppl who dont want to read that stuff and thats fair enough. I suppose you should look at them on a post by post basis.

[ShadowFold]

America is one of the only places where pretty much everything is illegal. I could be wrong tho. I would say its ok, that's like an American taking a trip to Mexico and going around saying they can't smoke weed.

[DaMulta]

Originally Posted by Mussels

paulie and E are the mods for B/S/T, so its gunna be them who appears there the most. Other mods dont have the authority to enforce it.

my current problem: far too many references to illegal drugs. Moderators are having a discussion on it now, but i'd like some input from the general populace here. We stopped politics, guns, and pics of nudey girls because of the controversy, why are drugs any different?

We talk about drugs that much? I guess there must be a lot of it going on then....IDK


politics = fighting = fun fighting tho for the most(I can say that to be 90% true I think)

guns = IDK they are in every video game we play....I don't know the last FPS game I played that didn't have a gun. Al tho I know when we talk it gets out there about guns......I guess some take it the wrong way.

pics of nudey girls = as I remember that was stopped because of ONE PERSON same as the C.P.T

Lost fun threads that the majority of users liked having over a few.....

IDK TPU is going to do what it thinks best I know that. We also don't have a say, like you are saying we never really have. Which is cool because this is dictatorship!!!!!! What TPU says is the way and the only way if we or I want to stay here.

Personally I think this thread goes way overboard on issues, and I can't believe this many people have issues. Last time I was upset was over the crazy pic thread....I really got out of it everyday. IMO the spam was more in that one thread than in lots of threads as it is now....I know a lot of people feel that way.

The same was over the babe thread(I know we pushed it even I had to del some pics....)but in the end it was one person that took it to a sick level that ended it.

Not naming names or anything, or really expect what I say to have any value to whats being talked about on a rule change or sticker rules.


just sating from my point of view as a big techpowerup fan/user. I tell everyone about this place in so many ways. The reviews are no BS, the people are REAL people. There are no real dick heads here, and if you want to learn something and really learn it you come here.
It's the truth.


I love how TechPowerUp! has always let people be people. No other board allows that at all!
I think that's why we all like TPU so much, because we know we can be our self here.

[r9]

There are oversensitive people I guess. For me when I see something I don`t like I just use the X button on the top right corner most of you may have seen it no need of bitching (I`m not sure about last word if it is properly used ) .

[Tatty_One]

@ Mussels......On the drugs thing, as some have said, it's a part of life for many people and I would guess for some here, i think it's therefore sensible that if members mention it within the context of a discussion then that to me personally would not be offensive (and being ex British Military I have a fairly robust "anti drugs" philosophy), however, I dont beleive specific threads or posts focusing on drugs would be appropriate, neither would be discussions about availability, specific usage or anything that generally might encourage younger members to participate................but having said all that, i appreciate it's a tricky subject for mods and there lies a very fine line in what we, the members perceive as acceptable or not on this particular subject.

[lemonadesoda]

TPU is first and foremost a technology community. That's how I first found it... looking for BIOS/hacks for an ATI card. Came, saw, and stuck around. I'm sure it's the same for "you". You didnt come here to discuss politics, drugs, under-age sex (what does that mean; different in every country), etc.

However, while other subjects in GN are, in general, OK, they do dilute the overall content quality of the forum and consequently the community. While I dont personally disagree with certain topics being discussed I am aware they are dominating the tone of the forum and also changing the "spider bots" to think that TPU is some kind of general chat teen gripe forum and not what it is strategically set out to be.

While I hate rules, perhaps the TPU guidelines should be updated to include a section called "topical content". And there should be a request to refrain from discussion of any activity that is illegal "anywhere". That means, if it is OK in the US, but illegal in Europe, or vice versa, or Asia, etc. then perhaps TPU is not the right forum for discussion. There are tens of thousands of other places for that type of content.

The mods need a new button, called "shhh" which is a softer version of stfu. A post gets flagged and while the post may not be offensive it is a request to the rest of the community to cease-and-desist on discussing the topic which is outside the TPU content guidelines.

I dont want this to turn into a concept of banned topics, name and shame, etc. but just possibly an opportunity for the mods to steer discussion away from non-TPU topics.

[DaMulta]

This IMO would solve the WHOLE ISSUE. I know some don't feel the need to mess around a bit here. Well I have no friends around here at all. By choice so I stay good

So I like to joke around with my friends here a bit. I don't want to go to another site where they would not know tech and joke with them. What fun would that be.

So I say just add another today's post one that pulls GN with it, and another one that does not.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by DaMulta

guns = IDK they are in every video game we play....I don't know the last FPS game I played that didn't have a gun. Al tho I know when we talk it gets out there about guns......I guess some take it the wrong way.

When the hell were guns banned from discussion? I mean you might as well close the game section down if this is the case. Now I feel anyone that wants to talk about gun control (banning or deregulating) could lead to thread locking. However I don't see how talking about gun use and or TECHNOLOGY could be seen as inflammatory. Honestly I feel this way about drugs and sex also.

Just keep in mind good common sense. No violent "real world" pictures/movies. No selling of drugs and such on forums and no crazy porn talk/images/movies and everyone should be ok. I mean we should be all mature enough to know right from wrong. If not thats were a mod should become involved and that person should be banned or even reported. The phrase "common sense" is key here.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I mean we should be all mature enough to know right from wrong.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

The phrase "common sense" is key here.

Exactly, common sense tells us there are plenty of people here who aren't that mature. Which is the whole catch. If everyone would act mature and used common sense mods wouldn't have much of a job in the first place.

[crtecha]

This site is not only entertaining but really helpful to me. I haven't ran into anyone yet that I felt was rude for no reason. Just opinions thrown about. Sites like this are for fun and education. I think its pretty silly for people to get all tied up in what they can and cannot say. Just be respectful.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by crtecha

Just be respectful.

That is what it all boils down to.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

Exactly, common sense tells us there are plenty of people here who aren't that mature. Which is the whole catch. If everyone would act mature and used common sense mods wouldn't have much of a job in the first place.

Point taken. Its a shame but true.

[Black Panther]

Originally Posted by DaMulta

I remember that was stopped because of ONE PERSON same as the C.P.T

Was P4-630 banned after all? N O P E
He kept ignoring warnings and as a result the C.P.T. got closed.

Imo the CPT was like a steak knife. It should be used to cut steak. However you can get a crazy person who kills/maims someone with it.
Now.... is that the fault of the knife? Or the fault of the mis-user?
Should steak knives be removed from general usage because, just because, someone might mis-use them?

[lemonadesoda]

Perhaps damulta's idea is a good one. Make GN a separate forum and keep it out of front page, new posts, thanks, post count, bans, infractions, etc. ie totally separate with it own set of rules. Even unmoderated. That way there is a "REAL TPU" and a "GN TPU" all just one click away. http://www.tpunonsense.com/ is still available.

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by lemonadesoda

Perhaps damulta's idea is a good one. Make GN a separate forum and keep it out of front page, new posts, thanks, post count, bans, infractions, etc. ie totally separate with it own set of rules. Even unmoderated. That way there is a "REAL TPU" and a "GN TPU" all just one click away. http://www.tpunonsense.com/ is still available.

Heh, that's somewhat similar to what Kyle Benet (owns HardOCP) tried to do with General Mayhem, eventually led to the complete closure of the forum (GM), faced a lot of flack from the community, some started their own website called "General Mayhem" and eventually the forum restarted on [H]. There are some lessons to be learned from the GenMay drama on how not to run a off-topic forum, which includes keeping its priority lower than other forums. We can't let a "unmoderated" forum with its "own set of rules" tarnish the name of TechPowerUp which took years of hard work to build. If you're looking for such a place on the internet, say hello to 4chan.

[DaMulta]

No not separate from TPU, just be able to search for it with or without it. Like going into your user settings and saying I don't want this section to be pulled with today's post. There has to be rules HAS TO BE. I didn't say let it run wild LOL. Putting a tab there to pull it would be the easiest. It does not have to be a GN pull only. It could be one with or without it in today's post. I don't know how hard that would be to add, but I think it would be a good thing to add. It would silence I lot of people because they would not pull up those kind of fun threads that the community uses as friendship talk.

There is also tech stuff that is posted there too, and yes some off the wall tech stuff. Yet it's there, and I for one know because I post tech stuff there from time to time.


Just an idea

[lemonadesoda]

Agreed. The suggestion was only to encourage a change rather than to be taken literally. I like DaMulta's idea of somehow keeping it in TPU, but taking it out of the core content. Everyone (normal peeps that is) needs a bit of recreation a stones throw away from where they work/study or whatever we call this activity here at TPU... but we shouldnt mix it all up.

Perhaps a different CSS/BB style. Rather than blue, the GN forum is green or pink (eek). And when you do a "new posts" or a "quick links" you get an option of TPU core or GN, or something. That would really clear it up, and remind people to "up the standards a bit" when posting on blue, and "relax a bit and be more tolerant" when posting on green.

[Mussels]

i'm not sure about GN going somewhere else, the references to general mayhem prove that doesnt work too well.

The input is welcome guys, keep it up.

[imperialreign]

Originally Posted by Mussels

paulie and E are the mods for B/S/T, so its gunna be them who appears there the most. Other mods dont have the authority to enforce it.

my current problem: far too many references to illegal drugs. Moderators are having a discussion on it now, but i'd like some input from the general populace here. We stopped politics, guns, and pics of nudey girls because of the controversy, why are drugs any different?

hmm . . . although my return here is sooner that I'd expected, I'm doing so for the prodding you've done . . .


Honestly, I don't view it as necessary, or appropriate on TPU. I mean, I don't have a problem if people want to go out and partake of "recreational" drugs . . . but, we like to give off a feeling of general law-abiding users here. It seems rather ridiculous, I think, that we can any thread on warez/crackz/bootlegged software because of it's illegitimate use and purpose, but we allow discussion of illegal substances and their use to take place.

Granted, not every country in the world is as stringent on recreational drug use as the US, but in most countries it's still partially considered social taboo. Why should we prohibit discussion of one illegal activity and goods, but allow another to take place? Doesn't make sense.

Asides - I think it's in the better interest of the community as well to at least force it to be toned down. How do you think a new user asking for hardware help in the GH section would react if they read a truly helpful, and insightful post by user x, and then come to see user x discussing which blends of THC smoke best with specific incineration devices . . .




On another note - I really don't think we need(ed) to prohibit discussion of politics, guns, religion and otherwise . . . as long as the thread doesn't get out of hand. It invariably will sooner or later, but I think the majority of us have demonstrated we can carry on discussion of such "hot" topics for long periods of time without de-railment and/or name-calling. Although I don't feel such subjects should be prohibited, as the discussion is good for general user interaction . . . we do need to be given a break at times, cause one will snow-ball another, and set off a chain reaction of chicken-coop squabbaling.

[Wile E]

As far as drug topics, I think it all comes down to context. I have talked at great length on these forums about my past drug use, but not as an encouragement. It was more of an example of where these things can lead you, and the consequences that can come with them.

Now, I don't think "Hey doods, I just smoked a giant fatty" is fit for tpu, but I believe discussions on legalities or those types that I mentioned above should still be allowed.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by Wile E

As far as drug topics, I think it all comes down to context. I have talked at great length on these forums about my past drug use, but not as an encouragement. It was more of an example of where these things can lead you, and the consequences that can come with them.

Now, I don't think "Hey doods, I just smoked a giant fatty" is fit for tpu, but I believe discussions on legalities or those types that I mentioned above should still be allowed.

i sure wont be deleting posts about people sharing past experiences in a negative way. I'm only opposed to people who post it in a positive way, just because the internet is 'anonymous'

[D007]

The guys are good in general..
If you get into drama.
Just take a break and give yourself some time to breathe.
an angry man makes stupid decisions..
Trust me. ..
I make lots of stupid decisions.

as for drug talk.. personally I could care less..
I mean don't spam the nonsense..
but honestly..
why put that information out there in the first place,
to allow others the firepower to attack you anyway?

Knowledge is only given..
if you don't give it.. then there is no drama..
for that reason I can see why it should remain an inappropriate topic..
why say things that are knowingly offensive to some?
It may be impossible to hold to that standard generally speaking..
but some instances you have control over..
pick and choose your battles..
it's really just about trying to respect other people.
trying not to make them uncomfortable.
being, what is that word?
Hu-Man...

[imperialreign]

Originally Posted by Wile E

As far as drug topics, I think it all comes down to context. I have talked at great length on these forums about my past drug use, but not as an encouragement. It was more of an example of where these things can lead you, and the consequences that can come with them.

Now, I don't think "Hey doods, I just smoked a giant fatty" is fit for tpu, but I believe discussions on legalities or those types that I mentioned above should still be allowed.

I agree . . . and even if the community opinion is that it shouldn't be permitted, I don't think anyone should go on "drug-topic lock-down" . . . give everyone a grace period and start reminding them that certain aspects of the subject matter isn't appropriate.

TBH, I don't even think we need to make it "prohibited" - if we start gently encouraging users to chage the topic themselves without having to whip out the proverbial boot, I think that would work out great . . . the majority of us know what really is and isn't permissable, and most of us are willing to follow those guidelines by being "herded" back in that direction by the mods . . . without them having to jump in screaming "back on topic or we send out the Hit Squad!"







*PS - on a side note . . . I still think an audio sub-forum would be beneficial as well