Need some help here with this one.

Evo85 · Jan 8, 2009, 01:15 AM

Today I finished building my new comp. I am now running a AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 BE.

So, I do my initial boot up, get into Windows with no problems, and check everything (clock speed, timings, etc.). So, I decide to do some OC'ing. Now I have been told that by simply taking the multi to x16 (from x14 stock) will put me at 3.2 with no problems. Most said they didnt even have to do a volt increase. So I move it to 16, and reboot into Windows. I get a BSOD.

So, I figure, needs more volts. I take the volts to 1.35, and again restart. This time I get into Windows and start checking my timings, volts, temps, etc. Comp goes good for about 6-8 mins then restarts.

So, where am I going wrong here? Should I move the volts higher? Is a X16 multi too much?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

spearman914 · Jan 8, 2009, 01:17 AM

Try putting ur HT down a little.

erocker · Jan 8, 2009, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearman914

Try putting ur HT down a little.

Why? With a x5 HTT multi and a 200mhz link it should only be at 1000mhz.

How many volts are you giving your CPU for 3.2ghz?

spearman914 · Jan 8, 2009, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Why? With a x5 HTT multi and a 200mhz link it should only be at 1000mhz.

How many volts are you giving your CPU for 3.2ghz?

It works sometimes with 800MHZ

BrooksyX · Jan 8, 2009, 01:22 AM

Sounds like you might have a weak chip on your hands. Give it some more juice (volts)

erocker · Jan 8, 2009, 01:23 AM

His chipset is perfectly capable of going over 1000mhz. It's deffinitely not the limiting factor here.

BrooksyX · Jan 8, 2009, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearman914

It works sometimes with 800MHZ

1000mhz is the standard HT speed. It should not be a problem

Evo85 · Jan 8, 2009, 01:24 AM

I set the volts @ 1.35 when I bumped it up.

GLD · Jan 8, 2009, 01:25 AM

My 5000+ BE does 3.0 on stock volts. It will do 3.1 @ 1.4v. I can get it to run 3.2 but it will not pass stable in AOD for nothing. Can you do 3.1 @ stock volts? Try 1.4v and 16 multi. I wouldn't touch the HT. I believe 1.35 is stock volts. I wouln't hurt it and give it anything more then 1.5v max.

erocker · Jan 8, 2009, 01:26 AM

MOAR Voltage!!!

Evo85 · Jan 8, 2009, 01:27 AM

Ok, will bump it up some. But what is the limit? Where do I hit "Oh Sh** line, so to speak?

BrooksyX · Jan 8, 2009, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

MOAR Voltage!!!

+1 Since your not changing the front side bus it simply sounds like the cpu needs some more volts to run with a higher multiplier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evo85

Ok, will bump it up some. But what is the limit? Where do I hit "Oh Sh** line, so to speak?

I would say about 1.45v max maybe 1.5v depending on temps.

erocker · Jan 8, 2009, 01:28 AM

Just watch those temps. AMD chips can take voltage.

Try 1.4v's to start.

JrRacinFan · Jan 8, 2009, 01:30 AM

What's your ram voltage and timings set at?

EDIT: Confirm with me guys; Would bumping the multi to 16x raise or lower his ram divider? Sorry it's been quite a while since I OC'd an AMD chip.

erocker · Jan 8, 2009, 01:32 AM

The ram divider will be the same. Good call on the ram settings.

BrooksyX · Jan 8, 2009, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JrRacinFan

What's your ram voltage and timings set at?

EDIT: Confirm with me guys; Would bumping the multi to 16x raise or lower his ram divider? Sorry it's been quite a while since I OC'd an AMD chip.

At 16x the ram should be running at 800.

Evo85 · Jan 8, 2009, 01:40 AM

My RAM is set @ Auto right now. I didnt change the FSB and didnt tighten any of the RAM timings. Here are some pics so you can see my settings.

erocker · Jan 8, 2009, 01:42 AM

Set your RAM to 2v's 4 4-4-12 Timings. You stable on that speed and voltage of the processor?

Evo85 · Jan 8, 2009, 02:14 AM

I ran orthos at those settings and core temps hit 69c. Got errors after a few mins. Took the Vcore to 1.375 and running Orthos now. Will post my results.

Evo85 · Jan 8, 2009, 02:18 AM

Second attempt went no better. Temps hit 66c and Orthos found errors.....

Not sure at those temps I want to push any more volts through it. Maybe time for a HSF upgrade..

Evo85 · Jan 8, 2009, 05:21 PM

After some more tinkering last night I can say that the chip HATEs anything under 1.4v. And if I had to guess it wants more. But I dont dare with the temps I am getting. I will order a new HSF this weekend and see what that does.

For now though its stable in Windows doing minor things. Once I get it Orthos stable I am going to work on bumping the memory up.

Evo85 · Jan 9, 2009, 12:51 PM

Well, I finally figured some things out.

1) I am a dumba**. The temp I was seeing where in Fahrenheit, not Celsius.

(in all fairness, I had just worked a 14 hour shift. Not the best time to do OC'ing) My temps at full load in OCCT maxxed at 29c.

2) I got everything running at 3.2g stable. But...

After running OCCT on a blend test for 4h 52min I got a Error 4 (Calculation error). So, where should I go from here? Do I even worry about it? If so how do I diagnose the problem?

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Evo85 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indy, IN Posts: 417 (0.21/day) Thanks: 143 Thanked 37 Times in 32 Posts System Specs	Ok, will bump it up some. But what is the limit? Where do I hit "Oh Sh** line, so to speak? __________________ Everything I need to know in life, I learned from Full Metal Jacket!

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erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,958 (12.77/day) Thanks: 2,793 Thanked 12,321 Times in 7,832 Posts System Specs	Just watch those temps. AMD chips can take voltage. Try 1.4v's to start.

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Evo85 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indy, IN Posts: 417 (0.21/day) Thanks: 143 Thanked 37 Times in 32 Posts System Specs	My RAM is set @ Auto right now. I didnt change the FSB and didnt tighten any of the RAM timings. Here are some pics so you can see my settings. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Everything I need to know in life, I learned from Full Metal Jacket!

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erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,958 (12.77/day) Thanks: 2,793 Thanked 12,321 Times in 7,832 Posts System Specs	Set your RAM to 2v's 4 4-4-12 Timings. You stable on that speed and voltage of the processor?

Jan 8, 2009, 02:14 AM	#19
Evo85 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indy, IN Posts: 417 (0.21/day) Thanks: 143 Thanked 37 Times in 32 Posts System Specs	I ran orthos at those settings and core temps hit 69c. Got errors after a few mins. Took the Vcore to 1.375 and running Orthos now. Will post my results. __________________ Everything I need to know in life, I learned from Full Metal Jacket!

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Evo85 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indy, IN Posts: 417 (0.21/day) Thanks: 143 Thanked 37 Times in 32 Posts System Specs	Second attempt went no better. Temps hit 66c and Orthos found errors..... Not sure at those temps I want to push any more volts through it. Maybe time for a HSF upgrade.. __________________ Everything I need to know in life, I learned from Full Metal Jacket!

Jan 8, 2009, 05:21 PM	#21
Evo85 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indy, IN Posts: 417 (0.21/day) Thanks: 143 Thanked 37 Times in 32 Posts System Specs	After some more tinkering last night I can say that the chip HATEs anything under 1.4v. And if I had to guess it wants more. But I dont dare with the temps I am getting. I will order a new HSF this weekend and see what that does. For now though its stable in Windows doing minor things. Once I get it Orthos stable I am going to work on bumping the memory up. __________________ Everything I need to know in life, I learned from Full Metal Jacket!

Jan 9, 2009, 12:51 PM	#22
Evo85 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indy, IN Posts: 417 (0.21/day) Thanks: 143 Thanked 37 Times in 32 Posts System Specs	Well, I finally figured some things out. 1) I am a dumba**. The temp I was seeing where in Fahrenheit, not Celsius. (in all fairness, I had just worked a 14 hour shift. Not the best time to do OC'ing) My temps at full load in OCCT maxxed at 29c. 2) I got everything running at 3.2g stable. But... After running OCCT on a blend test for 4h 52min I got a Error 4 (Calculation error). So, where should I go from here? Do I even worry about it? If so how do I diagnose the problem? __________________ Everything I need to know in life, I learned from Full Metal Jacket!

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