Intel E5200 Gets Updated, R0 Stepping Coming Up

btarunr · Feb 27, 2009, 05:59 PM

Intel's Pentium Dual-Core E5200 processor is getting on course for a specifications update. The chip will feature in a new, improved Wolfdale-2M core, spec'd out as the R0 stepping, from its current M0 stepping. The new stepping is intended to add new instructions, power-management features, and bring about changes in the chip-package. A short list of known changes is as follows:

CPUID changed from 10677 to 1067A
Power State Indicator (PSI) support with Intel 4 series chipsets
New instructions - XSAVE and XRSTOR
New S-spec and MM numbers
New halide-free chip package

Due to the changed CPUID, users may require BIOS updates to detect the CPU. According to the company, E5200 R0 should be out by April 13.

Source: TechConnect Magazine

1Kurgan1 · Feb 27, 2009, 06:02 PM

That e5200 is a nice little proc, Intel has done a good job with it, very tempting to get one.

sapetto · Feb 27, 2009, 06:09 PM

E5200 = superb OC

vagxtr · Feb 27, 2009, 06:17 PM

great processor for build a budget rig. hope it'll oc better for few 100s MHz than old ones.
it was pretty expected from intel cause they get short of working old M0 dies

and newer e5300 and e5400 are based on R0 from their start (jan2009)

newtekie1 · Feb 27, 2009, 06:17 PM

I love the E5000 series, just as I liked the E4000 series in it's day.

I just wish they wouldn't disable the extra instruction SEE instruction sets on these processor. Virtualization and execution disable bit I can understand.

richardbel · Feb 27, 2009, 06:22 PM

wow.. yeah its tempting to get one.. and yet i just bought a new pc.. lol

vagxtr · Feb 27, 2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I just wish they wouldn't disable the extra instruction SEE instruction sets on these processor.

is this really true they dont support ssse3 and sse4.1? where did you find that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Virtualization and execution disable bit I can understand.

according to intel they had NX-bit enabled
M0:5200
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAY7
R0:5300,5400
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB9U
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB9V

newtekie1 · Feb 27, 2009, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vagxtr

is this really true they dont support ssse3 and sse4.1? where did you find that?

according to intel they had NX-bit enabled
M0:5200
http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SLAY7
R0:5300,5400
http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SLB9U
http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SLB9V

According to everything I have seen in all the monitoring apps and all the reviews of them, they do not support the extra instruction sets. They are never listed on any of the CPU-z screenshot, and the E5200 I had didn't mention anything about them anywhere I looked. They support SSSE3, but not SSE4.1. If you look at the E5000 series datasheet here it lists SSSE3 support, but not SSE4.1 on page 9. The E7000 and E8000 series list support for SSE4.1 in the datasheet here.

I know, I was making a more broad statement about Intel disabling them on their processors processors, not specifically the E5000 series. I can understand why they would disable Virtualization and the NX-Bit on processors, but not the extra instruction sets. Sorry, I should have been more clear.

InnocentCriminal · Feb 27, 2009, 07:08 PM

I just missed out on an E6400 on eBay, so I'll be keeping my eye on the current M0 prices. I think I can hold out until April.

:/

PCpraiser100 · Feb 27, 2009, 07:16 PM

E5200 reminds me of the P4. Fast, cheap, easy to OC. Hope Intel does the same approach to i7 processors. But I am not into Intel's Steeping updates this year. They are so lazy on updating steppings. I want lower TDPs.

Feb 27, 2009, 07:20 PM

fantastic little chips, tempted to get one off the bay and drop it in a mATX rig or something. Either that or just torture it to its max overclock

r9 · Feb 27, 2009, 08:19 PM

I wonder if it could hit 5GHz

Valdez · Feb 27, 2009, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCpraiser100

E5200 reminds me of the P4. Fast, cheap, easy to OC. Hope Intel does the same approach to i7 processors. But I am not into Intel's Steeping updates this year. They are so lazy on updating steppings. I want lower TDPs.

p4 was fast and cheap? wtf?

clock_ed · Feb 27, 2009, 09:01 PM

Are there any clock improvements over M0 stepping? On HWbot the R0 stepping e5300 and e5400 don't have many submissions. I haven't seen any of these procs clocking better. Anyone have any ideas?

mtosev · Feb 27, 2009, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valdez

p4 was fast and cheap? wtf?

Northwood s478?

Valdez · Feb 27, 2009, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtosev

Northwood s478?

yeah, that was faster than k7, if its clock was high enough

but not cheap.

Error 404 · Feb 28, 2009, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valdez

yeah, that was faster than k7, if its clock was high enough

but not cheap.

Thats why you overclocked the crap outta them!

I love my E5200, it does EVERYTHING running at 3.8 GHz easily, and thats with C0 stepping.

eidairaman1 · Feb 28, 2009, 06:12 AM

why bother, they are soon to be replaced by 1156/1155

clock_ed · Feb 28, 2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

why bother, they are soon to be replaced by 1156/1155

Nearly, all of us already have a 775 mobo, therefore upgrading to a 4ghz chip will be cheap in comparison.

eidairaman1 · Feb 28, 2009, 11:22 AM

well if you already have a 5200, why get the same thing then ya know.

InnocentCriminal · Feb 28, 2009, 11:23 AM

I really hope that the R0 revision doesn't limited the OC'ing ability.

clock_ed · Feb 28, 2009, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

well if you already have a 5200, why get the same thing then ya know.

If people already have an e5200, there would be v little benefit, maybe higher oc but i doubt it. Mostly curiosity to see if they can find a better overclocking chip. As the e5200 already overclocks very well i wouldn't be surprised if these new R0 steppings have poorer oc potential, like the q6600.

InnocentCriminal · Feb 28, 2009, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clock_ed

... i wouldn't be surprised if these new R0 steppings have poorer oc potential, like the q6600.

That's my biggest worry.

:/

clock_ed · Feb 28, 2009, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InnocentCriminal

That's my biggest worry.

:/

Mate, the current M0 stepping e5200 are very good, most people get 4ghz on 1.4-45v, I see little reason to wait for the R0 as its a gamble between gaining and loosing oc.

InnocentCriminal · Feb 28, 2009, 12:30 PM

Yeah, I've been reading the OC thread.

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