Help me get a stutter free/lag free PC experience (

LifeOnMars · Mar 23, 2009, 10:01 PM

Its a long story so I wont go too in depth. I've never truly felt that my system has been as it should be. I built my first one last year which consisted of -

6000 windsor
asus m2r32mvp
hd 4850
corsair 620 hx
2gb kingston ram

Had all sorts of stuttering in most games. Traded the 4850 for a 9800gt, slightly better experience but nothing amazing. I've tried a soundcard in there with no joy. I now have a new processor and still the problem persists... I also have some new OCZ ram and still it persists. I only game at 1280 x 1024 and its on a VGA monitor with a dvi to vga convertor. I want to basically go through all of the things that will eventually lead me to find the soure of this problem. Help me with software suggestions to try out my hardware and any information that may help me.

ShadowFold · Mar 23, 2009, 10:03 PM

vLite the hell outta Vista64 and use that. I know my games ran really smooth using a custom vista install.

LifeOnMars · Mar 23, 2009, 10:06 PM

I have tried numerous different installs of different OS's. Vista 32, 64, XP 32, 64 and even tried win 7. Its something wrong with my system as a whole I think. Im very new to how PC hardware works and its like I keep setting something up wrong or there is a defective bit of hardware that I cant pinpoint. I mean my PSU should be decent but i wouldnt know how to check if it was working to its max or not.

Also its like benchmaking software seem to tell me that my system is running as it should, such as vantage and 3d mark but then I never have an enjoyable game experience as there is always something wrong with the games I try to play such as lower frame rate than normal, or overall smoothness?? Its just really frustrating.

Steevo · Mar 23, 2009, 10:33 PM

There could be a hundred little things.

Is your PCIe set at full link width? Is it set for two lane communication or one lane? Memory timings, and cool & quiet.

LifeOnMars · Mar 23, 2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steevo

There could be a hundred little things.

Is your PCIe set at full link width? Is it set for two lane communication or one lane? Memory timings, and cool & quiet.

Exactly and being a total PC novice I want to work my way methodically through them so I can get my moneys worth from my system. Two lane communication is that for crossfire? Its currently running x16 for the only PCIE lane on the board.

Steevo · Mar 23, 2009, 10:42 PM

Verify that by posting a screenshot of GPU-Z. It is created here, and downloaded here.

LifeOnMars · Mar 23, 2009, 10:51 PM

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n-ster · Mar 23, 2009, 11:10 PM

maybe your mobo is stugling because all ram slots are filled? just a thought... try to use 2 sticks to see if that's the problem... oh and your card seems running fine

LifeOnMars · Mar 23, 2009, 11:13 PM

I've had a 2x2 config, 1 x 4, 1 x 2 and still always the same results.

DrPepper · Mar 23, 2009, 11:14 PM

Run us a 3dmark06 and tell us the score it might be able to tell us something.

n-ster · Mar 23, 2009, 11:15 PM

temps? does your case seem hot? ever tried another HDD or Mobo?

Morrison5891 · Mar 23, 2009, 11:16 PM

I would look into some software tweaks for Vista ... There are a number of things you can do to increase performance on vista. If you're interested, let me know...

There are also tweaks for hardware as well built into Vista.

LifeOnMars · Mar 23, 2009, 11:17 PM

how do i go about creating a dual boot system?

Morrison5891 · Mar 23, 2009, 11:24 PM

This should help you ...

http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_v...step_guide.htm

Asylum · Mar 23, 2009, 11:29 PM

As asked before...What kind of temps are you running at full load on processor and graphics card? If you are running hot that will cause shuttering in games!!

n-ster · Mar 23, 2009, 11:30 PM

Yup... Asylum's right, hence why I asked for temps

ShadowFold · Mar 23, 2009, 11:34 PM

I have a very similar rig, 7750 Kuma is about as good as a 6000+ and the 4830 and 9800GT are about equal. I say get some more ram, you say you have a 2gb kit, but in your specs it says 4gb. I noticed a large jump in speed going from 2 to 4gb.

n-ster · Mar 23, 2009, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeOnMars

I've had a 2x2 config, 1 x 4, 1 x 2 and still always the same results.

He's got 4gb

LifeOnMars · Mar 23, 2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asylum

As asked before...What kind of temps are you running at full load on processor and graphics card? If you are running hot that will cause shuttering in games!!

53c load on the CPU Prime 95 7 hrs and the GPU goes to 71c load. 3D Mark 06 I get 12700.

n-ster · Mar 23, 2009, 11:47 PM

Your temps are good... 3D Mark idk

but I'll search a bit...
From what I've seen, your 3D mark looks very good too....

DrPepper · Mar 23, 2009, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeOnMars

53c load on the CPU Prime 95 7 hrs and the GPU goes to 71c load. 3D Mark 06 I get 12700.

That score is exactly what I was expecting. Temps are good. Have you tried reformatting ?

n-ster · Mar 23, 2009, 11:51 PM

Yea... MAYBE a virus? I still doubt that but might as well try to do some virus scans and reformatting!

LifeOnMars · Mar 24, 2009, 12:56 AM

I've reformatted that many times i know the keys for all my OS's. My favourite game is bloody "Beat the BIOS".....Could it be a monitor problem....vga connection with a dvi converter? And how do I check the reliability/functioning of my PSU?

thebeephaha · Mar 24, 2009, 01:25 AM

How is your hard drive, does it have lots of activity going on during games? Like lots of background stuff running?

LifeOnMars · Mar 24, 2009, 07:44 PM

I've been testing with the GPU today and the stuttering is definitely more prevalent when it loads out at 71c.....I dont want to boost the fan up as its whisper quiet system, can anyone reccommend an aftermarket cooler for the 9800GT, one that ideally cools the memory as well.

thebeephaha - Hard drive activity seems perfectly normal and there is definitely no excessive whirring.

Mar 23, 2009, 10:01 PM	#1
LifeOnMars Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kettering,Northants. UK Posts: 2,242 (1.23/day) Thanks: 1,718 Thanked 401 Times in 337 Posts System Specs	Help me get a stutter free/lag free PC experience ( Its a long story so I wont go too in depth. I've never truly felt that my system has been as it should be. I built my first one last year which consisted of - 6000 windsor asus m2r32mvp hd 4850 corsair 620 hx 2gb kingston ram Had all sorts of stuttering in most games. Traded the 4850 for a 9800gt, slightly better experience but nothing amazing. I've tried a soundcard in there with no joy. I now have a new processor and still the problem persists... I also have some new OCZ ram and still it persists. I only game at 1280 x 1024 and its on a VGA monitor with a dvi to vga convertor. I want to basically go through all of the things that will eventually lead me to find the soure of this problem. Help me with software suggestions to try out my hardware and any information that may help me.

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Mar 23, 2009, 10:33 PM	#4
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Mar 23, 2009, 10:42 PM	#6
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ShadowFold Eligible for custom title Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 12,855 (6.41/day) Thanks: 1,381 Thanked 1,681 Times in 1,498 Posts System Specs	vLite the hell outta Vista64 and use that. I know my games ran really smooth using a custom vista install.

Mar 23, 2009, 10:06 PM	#3
LifeOnMars Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kettering,Northants. UK Posts: 2,242 (1.23/day) Thanks: 1,718 Thanked 401 Times in 337 Posts System Specs	I have tried numerous different installs of different OS's. Vista 32, 64, XP 32, 64 and even tried win 7. Its something wrong with my system as a whole I think. Im very new to how PC hardware works and its like I keep setting something up wrong or there is a defective bit of hardware that I cant pinpoint. I mean my PSU should be decent but i wouldnt know how to check if it was working to its max or not. Also its like benchmaking software seem to tell me that my system is running as it should, such as vantage and 3d mark but then I never have an enjoyable game experience as there is always something wrong with the games I try to play such as lower frame rate than normal, or overall smoothness?? Its just really frustrating.

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Mar 23, 2009, 11:10 PM	#8
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Mar 23, 2009, 11:13 PM	#9
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Mar 23, 2009, 11:17 PM	#13
LifeOnMars Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kettering,Northants. UK Posts: 2,242 (1.23/day) Thanks: 1,718 Thanked 401 Times in 337 Posts System Specs	how do i go about creating a dual boot system?

Mar 23, 2009, 11:24 PM	#14
Morrison5891 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bannock County Posts: 751 (0.48/day) Thanks: 3 Thanked 96 Times in 87 Posts System Specs	This should help you ... http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_v...step_guide.htm

Mar 23, 2009, 11:29 PM	#15
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Mar 23, 2009, 11:30 PM	#16
n-ster Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,306 (5.13/day) Thanks: 1,210 Thanked 1,420 Times in 1,153 Posts System Specs	Yup... Asylum's right, hence why I asked for temps __________________ My Heatware

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ShadowFold Eligible for custom title Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 12,855 (6.41/day) Thanks: 1,381 Thanked 1,681 Times in 1,498 Posts System Specs	I have a very similar rig, 7750 Kuma is about as good as a 6000+ and the 4830 and 9800GT are about equal. I say get some more ram, you say you have a 2gb kit, but in your specs it says 4gb. I noticed a large jump in speed going from 2 to 4gb.

Mar 23, 2009, 11:47 PM	#20
n-ster Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,306 (5.13/day) Thanks: 1,210 Thanked 1,420 Times in 1,153 Posts System Specs	Your temps are good... 3D Mark idk but I'll search a bit... From what I've seen, your 3D mark looks very good too.... __________________ My Heatware

Mar 23, 2009, 11:51 PM	#22
n-ster Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,306 (5.13/day) Thanks: 1,210 Thanked 1,420 Times in 1,153 Posts System Specs	Yea... MAYBE a virus? I still doubt that but might as well try to do some virus scans and reformatting! __________________ My Heatware

Mar 24, 2009, 12:56 AM	#23
LifeOnMars Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kettering,Northants. UK Posts: 2,242 (1.23/day) Thanks: 1,718 Thanked 401 Times in 337 Posts System Specs	I've reformatted that many times i know the keys for all my OS's. My favourite game is bloody "Beat the BIOS".....Could it be a monitor problem....vga connection with a dvi converter? And how do I check the reliability/functioning of my PSU?

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Mar 24, 2009, 07:44 PM	#25
LifeOnMars Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kettering,Northants. UK Posts: 2,242 (1.23/day) Thanks: 1,718 Thanked 401 Times in 337 Posts System Specs	I've been testing with the GPU today and the stuttering is definitely more prevalent when it loads out at 71c.....I dont want to boost the fan up as its whisper quiet system, can anyone reccommend an aftermarket cooler for the 9800GT, one that ideally cools the memory as well. thebeephaha - Hard drive activity seems perfectly normal and there is definitely no excessive whirring.

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