Phenom II 955 vs. Intels i7

[suraswami]

May be w1Z should post a review so we know its a trusty unbiased one.

[HellasVagabond]

Originally Posted by Tatty_One

A COD 4 or 5 would be nice also if you have it.

Well ok, COD5 as well since i have it.
I will also throw in some synthetic benchmarks for the shake of it

[X-Terminator]

I'm going to have to call bullshiz on the review. First of all what gamer has the resolution on 800 x 600. Second I have core i7 and Farcry 2 and GTX 285 not the GTX 280 and @ 1680x1050, 4xAA / 16xAF I get average of 69.43 FPS. not 50,39 FPS, I know my video card is one step better and the GTX 280 but it's not 19 FPS off.

Lets wait till someone that you can trust does a review and then judge.

[vontrapp]

This is not a real review of the 955 but just the same old simulated benchmark that's been up since April 7th (check article date)

In der folgenden Tabelle, die die technischen Daten bereitstellen, wurde auch bereits der Phenom II X4 955 mit 3,2 GHz Takt aufgenommen. Wir haben ihn für diesen Test mit dem Phenom II X4 940 simuliert

And yes you guessed it "simuliert" means...simulated

I hold no value to simulated reviews. Let's have some real benchmarks (in 3 days or so?)

[HellasVagabond]

I will personally have the tests ready on the 29th if i get all the hardware until then.

[ShadowFold]

All I looked at were the game benches and the 955 seems to be better on par. Screw synthetics, who sits down and plays synthetic benchmarks all day.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by ShadowFold

All I looked at were the game benches and the 955 seems to be better on par. Screw synthetics, who sits down and plays synthetic benchmarks all day.

Me. In fact, I bench more often than I game. I only game because a bench rig just so happens to be good at gaming.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by Wile E

DDR3 does no good for PhenomII as of yet. Beside, i7 would still win anyway. PII was never made to compete with i7, and isn't expected to. It's not it's target market, Yorkfield is.

not 100% true comparing my systems running DDR2@1140 4-4-4-12 and DDR3 1704 6-6-6-18 there was a good hunk of difference i know superpi is a bad test but DDR2 was 200mhz faster and .02sec slower in super pi. wprime was the same way and so was scm2 DDR3 was worth about 200mhz worth of clock speed.

[AltecV1]

it is so nice too see intel fanboys dry humping every word you saybe side PII wasnt made to complete with I7 it slike bmw man is trying to conivse a merc guy that the bmw is better car IT IS A DEAD END!

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by cdawall

not 100% true comparing my systems running DDR2@1140 4-4-4-12 and DDR3 1704 6-6-6-18 there was a good hunk of difference i know superpi is a bad test but DDR2 was 200mhz faster and .02sec slower in super pi. wprime was the same way and so was scm2 DDR3 was worth about 200mhz worth of clock speed.

Those are about the only apps that show any real improvement by the move to DDR3 on PII. Most everything else is unaffected.

Of course, DDR3 on PII is still a little immature. New BIOSes or a process tweak or 2 could change that. But that wouldn't help the scope of this particular review at this point in time anyway.

[HellasVagabond]

Tatty and Wille which card should i use for the Game tests ? Opinions needed

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by HellasVagabond

Tatty and Wille which card should i use for the Game tests ? Opinions needed

I say the 295. It's a dual gpu card, and will show any cpu bottlenecks much easier.

[JATownes]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Me. In fact, I bench more often than I game. I only game because a bench rig just so happens to be good at gaming.

Me Too. Benching is just fun. It took me a few weeks to break 20,000 3DMarks with my 940 & 4850's. I felt like doing backflips when I hit 20,023. And now I know how to get the most out of my games. Otherwise how would I have known without benching??

Best hobby around IMO.

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by suraswami

There you go, u answered the question. Play with a P4 3 Ghz + GTX 280 and then with C2D 8400 + GTX 280 then you know CPU also plays an important role.

Yes if you bench a 4-5 year old proc w/ a top o the line video card you can expect to see drastic differences. If you bench two top o the line processors from now w/ a top o the line card from now you won't. Why is this hard?

[HellasVagabond]

Originally Posted by Wile E

I say the 295. It's a dual gpu card, and will show any cpu bottlenecks much easier.

I was thinking the GTX275 or GTX285 to be more precise due to the nature ( SLI ) of the GTX295...

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Those are about the only apps that show any real improvement by the move to DDR3 on PII. Most everything else is unaffected.

Of course, DDR3 on PII is still a little immature. New BIOSes or a process tweak or 2 could change that. But that wouldn't help the scope of this particular review at this point in time anyway.

any boost is enough for me

Originally Posted by Wile E

I say the 295. It's a dual gpu card, and will show any cpu bottlenecks much easier.

how about a pair of 285's and a 3870X2

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by HellasVagabond

I was thinking the GTX275 or GTX285 to be more precise due to the nature ( SLI ) of the GTX295...

That though had crossed my mind as well. After thinking about it tho, I thought maybe testing for the bottleneck would be better.

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by X-Terminator

I'm going to have to call bullshiz on the review. First of all what gamer has the resolution on 800 x 600. Second I have core i7 and Farcry 2 and GTX 285 not the GTX 280 and @ 1680x1050, 4xAA / 16xAF I get average of 69.43 FPS. not 50,39 FPS, I know my video card is one step better and the GTX 280 but it's not 19 FPS off.

Lets wait till someone that you can trust does a review and then judge.

They have run it at such low resolutions because that places a greater load on the CPU and less on the GPU, at higher res the GPU takes the majority of the strain.

[wiak]

Originally Posted by Wile E

DDR3 does no good for PhenomII as of yet. Beside, i7 would still win anyway. PII was never made to compete with i7, and isn't expected to. It's not it's target market, Yorkfield is.

jup, who the heck compares a $1000 cpu like i7 965 to a sub ~$280 cpu like 955
they arnt even on the same generation, if someone wants to compare i7 with something they should wait for AMD's bulldozer

the reason why Intel has i7 now, is they have a 1 year lead over AMD on manufactoring, if AMD had 45nm last year, they would have had bulldozer by now, and Phenom whould have beaten most Intel highest end last year, why? just look at Phenom and Phenom II, its nearly the same core, just some tweaks and more cache and higher speeds

[HellasVagabond]

cdawall i dont have any 3870x2 at the moment.

[SystemViper]

I7 all the way.....

loving it!

[AltecV1]

intel fanboys vs. amd fanboys the fight is on

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by HellasVagabond

cdawall i dont have any 3870x2 at the moment.

look at my sys specs

[suraswami]

Originally Posted by farlex85

Yes if you bench a 4-5 year old proc w/ a top o the line video card you can expect to see drastic differences. If you bench two top o the line processors from now w/ a top o the line card from now you won't. Why is this hard?

All I am saying is you need both cpu and vga to be decent enough and play well together.

end of topic.

[HellasVagabond]

Originally Posted by cdawall

look at my sys specs

If you can aquire an i7 system you could perhaps do a test yourself ?