The Pirate Bay in Legal Soup, Owners Fined and Jailed

[IcrushitI]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

You do have free usage. However you also agreed to the EULA when you installed it the first time.

Its to bad the developers don't put out games that work the way they should. You buy a game with your hard earned money, it doesn't work, your told you have to wait for a patch. Problem is your pissed and can't take a broken game back. All because the developer had a time table to fulfill. To much of that going on and no one to protect the consumer. I'm starting to sense a "Holier then Tho" attitude coming from your direction. Are you trying to make restitution for some past life experience.

[FryingWeesel]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

So I guess its the developers fault you don't like to read. Anyway they make it pretty clear about the install limit in most games. And if you happen to miss it you can easily contact the developer and register your game. However I guess being lazy you would be pissed the Pirate Bay is being closed.

FYI I aint saying your lazy.

its not the developers that put DRM on everything, its the publishers, and manytimes I have had developers tell me to head over to megagames or gamecopyworld and get a "fixed" exe file to fix a problem caused by flawed/buggy DRM.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Anyway you never have to buy the game again. Read a few posts up for the legit way to do things.

WRONG, EA has told plenty of people they would unlock only ONE more activation and has flat out called them pirats for going over the install limmit, so once that ONE activations over, you gotta RE-BUY the game(and they will tell you this flat out, read th EA forums)

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

You call it boycotting and I call it justifying their fears and breaking the law. The bottom line is there is all this static about installation limits because of piracy. Will it stop piracy? No. But stealing in protest does nothing but put more limits on legit users.

Infact there is one problem with your OPINION in this case, not every country has laws covering this and in many they actually have laws making it perfectly leigal to "pirate"(aka download) programs and games and other content.

If you want a good example of a company thats totaly stoped trying to fight piracy on SP games, look at Stardock, their titles have a key for online play, but the SP game can be had easly free, also if you have a legit key, you can use their services to update the minute patches/addons come out, if you dont, you gotta wait for somebody who does to torrent/rs/exct them for you.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Theft is not my opinion. What you said you do is breaking the law. I just want to make that clear. There is no justification for it. But Ill leave you to your own poisons
Meh I knew that going in to this. Some fight the good fight by theft. I fight it via the pen. I just hope no one here thinks I'm being a troll. I'm pretty sure you guys know me better than that.

Theft is not the case if your country doesn't have laws calling downloading theft, so you need to know where everybody you reply to is located and if their country has IP/Copyright laws.

its like people sending DMCA notices to non-us hosts/server/service admins, fact is the DMCA is a US law, not a world wide law, and so those notices mean exectly DICK to people/services/exct from outside the us.

I agree, theft is bad, BUT you also got one huge problem, downloading/torrenting isnt theft in the true sence of the word, theft is one person/group taking something from another person/group and thus depriving them of said item, on the internet when you download/torrent/exct a file, you aren't taking that file away from anybody, you are COPYING IT, so instead of one person having it and another having had it stolen, 2 people now have it.

its like me coming over, taking your windows cd, making a copy/imaging it to my hdd, then leaving haven already put you cd back where i found it.

you haven't lost anything(didnt say i copyed your key did i?)

Oh and technically according to the riaa, if you rip a cd to your hdd, then put it on your pmp(portable media player) your a thief because you now have a copy of their property that you didnt pay for.

its the same crap they pulled back when casset tape recorders came out and people wanted to copy their records to tapes because they could then carry them around and listen in the car and at work!!!

the media industry has ALWASE been SLOW and RESISTANT to change, they do not like to have to adapt, and it really hurts them.

think about this, IF they put out their content for a reasonable price in stores AND online for download, wouldnt you think more people would buy it?

just like stardock's seen huge sales of games like sins of a solar empire with virtualy no advertising, enlarge due to people trying the FULL sp game, and then wanting to have online play access.

I know I personaly nolonger buy movies unless i have seen the whole movie, and feel its worth buying, then i buy a pre-viewed copy at the videostore most of the time.

I WONT buy games form some companys because they have prooven over the years that they dont support their products.

Atari: Unreal2 XMP, they closed the dev house that made it b4 it was truely finnished then killed the master servers to help promote ut2k4 sales.
NeverWinterNights 1 and 2, Atari puts "drm" on the games that causes serious problems for PAYING CUSTOMERS( ME!!!)
NWN2 couldnt even be properly patched due to the DRM, took them close to a year to fully fix the patching issues with the base game......then more then once i have had updates cause problems like explorer crashes.
oh yeah and the random updates that made it say my legit nwn2 disk wasnt legit..........what a crock.


VUG: Tribes: Vengance, these MORONS pushed the game out over a month early, put it up against halflife2 and doom3 and then when sales sucked due to timing AND multi player bugs, they promised a patch and reniged on that as soon as the return time for the game was up for the bulk of copys sold, leaving those of us that bought it for 50bucks (or more) to wonder why we spent our money on yet another VUG product.

EA: limmited activations on games like bioshock, spore, mass effect, as well as spicific game problems including crashing/stability issues and performance issues dirrectly linked/linkable to the DRM used, when you run out of activations it can take weeks to get another activation then when u do they call you a pirate and inform you that if you need another activation, you need to re-buy the game.


Oh, mind you in the case of NWN, I had bioware reps each time tell me to get a fixed exe from megagames or gamecopyworld(perfectly leigal if you own the game)

i had other games with the same kinda crap, Chrome for example, i couldnt play at all till i got a fixed exe because the protection didnt like my system, it would crash out on "tag checks" so their support person(nice lady on phone) told me where to get a fixed exe and what one of the 4 avalable to download and use.

so please dont ASSume that because somebody downloads a "cracked" or "fixed" or whatever exe/patch for their game that they are breaking the law or a pirate, many times its the only way to fix the problems you run into.

hell NWN2 ran ALOT better with the fixed exe then with the default, over 20fps boost from the lack of securom running in the background!!!!

some reps on the bioware forums where pm'ing people with a link to a "fixed" exe file to help with performance issues with the game.....thats SAD since bioware didnt even acctualy make the game :P (they helped tho)

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Well the whole reason why developers are going down the route of limited installs is because of places like Pirate Bay. You want to stop this trend? Don't buy their games and at the same time don't steal them ether. By doing that you are justifying their motive.

The thing is, never has any anti piracy measure stopped the PIRATES. it only stops the legit consumer.

In order to make money back they do things that makes legit consumers buy the game again, the pirates wont buy it just because it has a CD check... they'll crack it like always!

[Triprift]

A while back my sis used to work in a recording studio and she tolled me it takes about 4 bucks to make an album. Now obviously that was a fair few years ago and that sum would of gone up but considering the price of albulms here 20 odd bucks that mark up is huge. Not saying that justifies dlin songs for free but the record companies could charge half what there selling for and make nice profits.

[DaedalusHelios]

Originally Posted by Triprift

A while back my sis used to work in a recording studio and she tolled me it takes about 4 bucks to make an album. Now obviously that was a fair few years ago and that sum would of gone up but considering the price of albulms here 20 odd bucks that mark up is huge. Not saying that justifies dlin songs for free but the record companies could charge half what there selling for and make nice profits.

Actually those costs would have gone down due to the majority of disc manufacturing now outsourced for next to nothing and ClearChannel owning the majority of concert venues and radio stations. There is only one guy to bribe to play your music now.

But the Somali Pirates might be getting in on that soon.

[Triprift]

I was just making a point if anyone can tell me why the prices of software and music cd's are more expensive here then many other western countries id love to hear it.

[Relayer]

Originally Posted by btarunr

And no, if we relay their content through our news, we aren't breaking our NDA, since we are mentioning where we got our dig from.

So, how does TPB break any laws when they haven't agreed to any EULA and they aren't supplying any pirated software, music, movies. They are only supplying links to those who have.

[DaedalusHelios]

Originally Posted by Triprift

I was just making a point if anyone can tell me why the prices of software and music cd's are more expensive here then many other western countries id love to hear it.

Its a problem with the core of Australia IMO. Many people say it never stopped being a prison colony when it comes to individual rights and the lack of standing up to your government when its screwing you over. The USA is very strongly influenced by corporations but from what I have heard Australia is saturated with corporatism. Its most likely from complacency.

Triprift, I wish many people in your country had your wise view on life, but I doubt many people are willing to take a stand against unfair business practices.

My city(Greensboro, NC) had almost half of downtown filled with protestors over us becoming a test area for bandwidth capping by Time Warner cable. Its because they are the only high speed provider here(monopoly). They quickly said they were no longer planning it and it will not go into effect after the protesting was all over our college campuses and Time Warner Cable property.

I just don't see Australia doing that kind of stuff when companies start imposing unfair business practices.

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by Relayer

So, how does TPB break any laws when they haven't agreed to any EULA and they aren't supplying any pirated software, music, movies. They are only supplying links to those who have.

Don't ask me about how TPB works, that's of zero concern. You are trying to equate NDA with copyrighted content (which are not the same). An NDA is an agreement between A company, and A party. If xyz.com breaches its NDA, our citing their content doesn't make us breach our own NDA with that company. I'm also excluding those who leak NDA content without actually signing one in the first place.

[Hayder_Master]

come to iraq every dvd (game , program , movie , audio ) = 3$

[IcrushitI]

Originally Posted by hayder.master

come to iraq every dvd (game , program , movie , audio ) = 3$

It would be cheaper for me to pay you $10 and postage, have you thought of reselling.

[DrPepper]

Originally Posted by IcrushitI

It would be cheaper for me to pay you $10 and postage, have you thought of reselling.

Won't it be in arabic

[DaMulta]

Piratebay is now DOWN


So I used google and was successful!

Sad day!

[DaMulta]

Well pratebay trackers are still working

[Triprift]

Its back up now

[DaMulta]

Originally Posted by Triprift

Its back up now

WOOT

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by hayder.master

come to iraq every dvd (game , program , movie , audio ) = 3$

I can just hear the board of American tourism now:

"Come to Iraq for the cheap DVDs and stay for the IEDs!"

[psyko12]

Yarrr, they can't stop Black Beard or who ever running the site now, thanks to TPB I got my games mostly non working cd games off it... hope those guys get out of the pinch they're in

[mdm-adph]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I can just hear the board of American tourism now:

"Come to Iraq for the cheap DVDs and stay for the IEDs!"

There are no more IED's in Iraq -- the Surge(tm) got rid of them all.

What we're seeing today is overzealous DVD marketers not understanding that "guerrilla marketing" doesn't necessarily mean you have to actually be a guerrilla.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by mdm-adph

There are no more IED's in Iraq -- the Surge(tm) got rid of them all.

What we're seeing today is overzealous DVD marketers not understanding that "guerrilla marketing" doesn't necessarily mean you have to actually be a guerrilla.

[KainXS]

Originally Posted by Mussels

well, i dont go to pirate bay anyway. its full of fakes, viruses, and other crap.

that is the truest thing I have heard in a long time

[morpha]

Just adding my two cents on the Australia Issue:

I Support Pirating. BECAUSE:

Music Companies wont change their prices untill they are forced too. Look at Metalica. They released an Album online as MP3's even after 10 years of Anti-Napster, Anti-Download bs.
ITunes and Mobile Phone downloads make a fortune. And in Australia, the cost of CD's has gone down. It used to be $35/album. now its $20/album.

Game Publishers are largely to blame for games being pushed early without being properly completed. I have a friend who worked on the PS2 version of Starwars: Forces Unleashed and the Xbox version of Viva Pinata.
According to him Publishers give the dev rights to the company that can do it the fastest, cheapest and drop that developer if they miss even ONE milestone.
Poor bastard has had so many all-nighter work sessions...
STEAM allows game developers to skip publishers all together. So if you want to help change the way the industry is, buy from steam.

[DrPepper]

Originally Posted by morpha

Just adding my two cents on the Australia Issue:

I Support Pirating. BECAUSE:

Music Companies wont change their prices untill they are forced too. Look at Metalica. They released an Album online as MP3's even after 10 years of Anti-Napster, Anti-Download bs.
ITunes and Mobile Phone downloads make a fortune. And in Australia, the cost of CD's has gone down. It used to be $35/album. now its $20/album.

Game Publishers are largely to blame for games being pushed early without being properly completed. I have a friend who worked on the PS2 version of Starwars: Forces Unleashed and the Xbox version of Viva Pinata.
According to him Publishers give the dev rights to the company that can do it the fastest, cheapest and drop that developer if they miss even ONE milestone.
Poor bastard has had so many all-nighter work sessions...
STEAM allows game developers to skip publishers all together. So if you want to help change the way the industry is, buy from steam.

If they got rid of publishers who would erm fund the project ?

[morpha]

The Steam sales of their last game....

[DrPepper]

Originally Posted by morpha

The Steam sales of their last game....

Who will pay for that game to be made ?

I don't want to come across as a dick but thats a pretty big flaw