Windows 7 to Pack Virtual Windows XP

[chooky]

This should make Windows 8 better because they can strip away some of the compatibility layers.
But watch them stuff it up some other way.

[Gzero]

Originally Posted by Mussels

Vista runs awesome on modern machines... a celeron with 1GB of ram is not a modern machine, yet they still come bundled with it

The shops probably wouldn't be able to shift the units if it didn't come with the latest OS.

I don't believe that Windows 7 has the same problem running on older hardware. I've successfully gotten 7077 to run better on my old pentium m 2.13 w/ ati x300 / 2gb ram than it did on Vista. Aero works fine as well (just turn off fading and animate maximise/minimise windows).

Just need to get the driver ATI driver properly modded, since the one that came with is 8.12 has performance issues with running in VMR9, so I'm running media in vmr7.

[Mussels]

i've got vista running on a 1.6Ghz sempron (skt 754) with 1GB 333Mhz ram and a 256MB radeon 9550.

No tweaks, other than disabling superfetch, readyboost and indexing (cause the HDD noise was annoying me, mostly) and its running very happily as an internet machine/torrent box. Full aero, if anyone cares.

Vistas only problem is running less than 1GB of ram for 2D/office use, or less than 2GB for gaming use. When i started using XP (when it was NEW) it was the same thing, only the numbers were 256MB and 512MB.

[alexp999]

I guess this means 7100 isnt the RC

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by alexp999

I guess this means 7100 isnt the RC

7100 is the RC. this is an optional downloadable extra, so even RTM wont come with it.

[alexp999]

Oh I see, I didnt read the article like that

[Mussels]

it wasnt in the article, it was explained in the comments.

[alexp999]

bta needs to update with that then.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by alexp999

bta needs to update with that then.

when RC1 is actually released to the public, i'm sure it will turn up in windows updates.

[ChaoticAtmosphere]

Originally Posted by Weer

I've not heard of any business applications that won't work in Vista. In any case, that would be only a small amount of customers. We're talking about home editions anyway.

Are you joking??? I have yet to see a company that has migrated all their client terminals to Vista from XP. And at a national company that I worked helpdesk for still to this day issues their computers to units accessing their infrastructure with XP installed.

Originally Posted by Mussels

i've worked in tons of places where they hired someone (usually a uni student) to write software for them, and they've nearly always taken a million shortcuts and it only works on the one OS.

Thanks Mussels. I'd like to add that the above mentioned company I worked for also had a DEV team who modified source code of existing applications and develop applications exclusively for the company brands.

[Steevo]

Originally Posted by Weer

People don't care about compatibility. They care about stability and speed.

I thought the whole point of Windows 7 was to be a more stable and faster Windows Vista so that the entire "Vista sux, stik with XP" crowd can finally be put to rest.

That being said, Windows 7 beta has serious compatibility issues even with Windows Vista-compatible applications (Skype doesn't even work).

I care, and the almost 50 PC's and laptops need XP for business software. MS is way wrong on the business side of thigns still, it is almost like they have gotten a Mac system idea, but with super protection everywhere. So the client access and much other software is a bitch to make run on Vista, and I haven't even tried Win7 yet. All the diagnostic software for the engine/controller management requires a direct connection through serial and or USB into a protopcol adapter and the extra layer of security and way the kernel handles things on Vista and Win7 will make it a long time in adoption.

[newtekie1]

Wait I don't understand, what's the big deal, this was already available in Vista...I use it on an almost daily basis. It is the only way I can play my old 16-bit favorites in Vista x64.

[Mussels]

in business maybe, but its not here in ultimate.

[iStink]

I don't think anything's wrong with Vista personally. I run a visa machine here at work with an AMD x2 4800 @ 2.5 ghz, and 2gb of ram. It runs perfectly fine. At home I run XP, but only because I felt there was no reason to buy Vista. Not that I don't like Vista, I just don't need to upgrade to it to do what I want with a computer. Windows 7 will be another upgrade I don't need but something I'll do just to stay modern lol.

When I look at netbooks, I tend to look for an xp system. I just think since it's an older os, it'll run better on the lighter specs of a netbook.

I remember one of the Mac guys at apple insider told me XP needed the latest and most powerful hardware to run smoothly, and I linked him to a video of a guy running xp just fine on his phone lol.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Mussels

in business maybe, but its not here in ultimate.

I said available, not pre-loaded. Any version of Vista(except maybe Home Basic) can already do this. And with Ultimate, you already have the XP licence to do it...

And remember, Vista Ultimate has all the features from every version of Vista, so if something is in Business it is in Ultimate.

Originally Posted by iStink

When I look at netbooks, I tend to look for an xp system. I just think since it's an older os, it'll run better on the lighter specs of a netbook.

You would think this, but surprisingly this isn't the case. Vista actually runs better on netbooks than XP does, at least that was my experience, and many of the articles that talk about the subject agree.

[Mussels]

well, link me to this software for vista then i could use a new toy

[iStink]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

You would think this, but surprisingly this isn't the case. Vista actually runs better on netbooks than XP does, at least that was my experience, and many of the articles that talk about the subject agree.

Oh wow ok lol. I'll need to expand my search criteria then, thanks for the info. The large majority of netbooks at newegg run xp, I think that's why I figured it was better.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Mussels

well, link me to this software for vista then i could use a new toy

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

There you go, free from Microsoft since 2006.

It seems all they are doing with Win7 is including this software standard, and a pre-setup Windows XP install. The screenshot even says "Microsoft Virtual PC" at the top. Perhaps they have update Virtual PC to a newer version, hopefully with better hardware integration, but the current version is great for software compatibility issue.

[WarEagleAU]

Very smart and a very good idea. Ive yet to install my copy of 7 but because I dont want to partition. I need to hook up this hard drive and go with it.

[ChaoticAtmosphere]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

You would think this, but surprisingly this isn't the case. Vista actually runs better on netbooks than XP does, at least that was my experience, and many of the articles that talk about the subject agree.

I read somewhere that MS actually designed W7 to compete with the netbook market and gain market (if not dominate) share over MAC versions of the netbook not to mention stamp out linux's rise. I actually think I read the article right here on TPU

[Mussels]

weee, downloading it now.

It'll make a nice, virus safe little virtual netbox

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Mussels

weee, downloading it now.

It'll make a nice, virus safe little virtual netbox

That is another reason I use it. Anything I download that is questionable, I just open in there. The virtual computer also integrated onto the network just like another PC would, so it shows up in the router as a seperate PC, and gets its own IP. And any data you want to share between the host PC and the Virtual PC can be done via network shares.

[ChaoticAtmosphere]

There's also VMWare which is also free.

[iStink]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

That is another reason I use it. Anything I download that is questionable, I just open in there.

I didn't think of that. There's no way for a program running in the virtual environment to "reach out" to the system and mess anything up?

[kid41212003]

Originally Posted by Mussels

i've worked in tons of places where they hired someone (usually a uni student) to write software for them, and they've nearly always taken a million shortcuts and it only works on the one OS.

Because, they are cheap, and their system/software is not up to date.