Windows 7 to Pack Virtual Windows XP

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by kid41212003

Because, they are cheap, and their system/software is not up to date.

if they got the apps custom made, they cant just go online and hit update. they need to go pay the guy to update, if they can even get their hands on him.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by iStink

I didn't think of that. There's no way for a program running in the virtual environment to "reach out" to the system and mess anything up?

There are ways, especially if you have network drives maps to the host machine, but it is less likely to happen.

[iStink]

hey i tried running that virtual machine thing but it gets stuck on post. it ID's my mac addr and guid but doesn't get past that. does this just take a really long time or something?

edit: it said it couldn't find anything to boot with lol i'm dumb. i went into bios and tried setting boot priority but if it can't find anything that won't help will it?

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by iStink

hey i tried running that virtual machine thing but it gets stuck on post. it ID's my mac addr and guid but doesn't get past that. does this just take a really long time or something?

you need to have a disk in your drive/virtual drive, and then make the virtual machine use that. It will then boot and install windwos through it.

there buttons at the bottom of the window, right click the CD one and you can bind the VM to a drive on the host OS.

[iStink]

Originally Posted by Mussels

you need to have a disk in your drive/virtual drive, and then make the virtual machine use that. It will then boot and install windwos through it.

I went through and set one up, made a virtual disc drive file er whatever. I'll run through the wizard again and see if I mucked anything up.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by iStink

I went through and set one up, made a virtual disc drive file er whatever. I'll run through the wizard again and see if I mucked anything up.

thats a blank hard drive. you still have to install windows to it!

[iStink]

Originally Posted by Mussels

thats a blank hard drive. you still have to install windows to it!

ah! lol. I selected xp from a list and thought that was all that was needed, turns out its just suggesting settings based on the selection. I'll just read up on this. I'm rushing into it without much thought here.

ya I'm an idiot dude. I thought this would be like the windows mobile emulator in visual studio where everything is loaded already for you. I dont exactly have an xp disc laying around here at work lol.

I'll just have to play with it when I get home.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by iStink

ah! lol. I selected xp from a list. I'll just read up on this. I'm rushing into it without much thought here.

what you did was created a virtual machine optimised for XP (HDD size and ram size)
Thats a fake machine with an empty HDD. Think of it as a brand new PC... it aint gunna do nothing til you stick that XP disk in there and install it.

lol you did edits while i was posting... 20MB is a tad small to include XP

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by Weer

You've not heard of the loud, annoying people who claim that XP is better than Vista?

I've not heard of any business applications that won't work in Vista. In any case, that would be only a small amount of customers. We're talking about home editions anyway.

small amount of customers? USSOCOM pays just under a billion for a single "enterprise" key that can be used on XP and Vista, so that it doesnt try to access the internet to activate the product, sort of pre-activated. We were among those who requested an XP vm, so that many of our current products we use can run without a problem.

"small amount of customers...."

[Conti027]

Originally Posted by Weer

People don't care about compatibility. They care about stability and speed.

I thought the whole point of Windows 7 was to be a more stable and faster Windows Vista so that the entire "Vista sux, stik with XP" crowd can finally be put to rest.

That being said, Windows 7 beta has serious compatibility issues even with Windows Vista-compatible applications (Skype doesn't even work).

I havent had one problem with skype and ive been using 7 since the beta was out

[h3llb3nd4]

It rocks when something this awesome gets released
but is sucks when you have to download it

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by h3llb3nd4

It rocks when something this awesome gets released
but is sucks when you have to download it

its 20MB! i'm already running it now

[h3llb3nd4]

only 20?!?!?
I thought it would be 700+

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by h3llb3nd4

only 20?!?!?
I thought it would be 700+

it doesnt include the OS with it!

edit: the one we're running NOW doesnt include the OS. the one with 7, may. but that'd be weird.

[newtekie1]

I'm going to guess the one that ships with Win7 will have a pre-configured XP setup already on it. I don't think it would be hard to fit a full copy of XP on the Win7 DVD, but I could be wrong. It also might ask you to insert a Windows XP CD the first time you start the Virtual PC, and run an automated install off the CD.

There are a few of things that I still question though:

1.) How does licensing work? I know that Win7 Ultimate includes a licence for XP Pro, so that wouldn't be an issue, but what about the other versions of Win7. Or is this just going to be a feature of Ultimate?

2.) Is this actually a new version of Virtual PC, or is it just Virtual PC 2007 re-packaged and included in with Win7? I hope it is a new version, and I hope they have improved it, and added USB support and better hardware integration.

3.) Will this version of Virtual PC be limitted to just running XP, or will you still be able to configure as many Virtual PCs as you want to install any OS you like?(I have Win3.11, Win98 SE, and XP running right now.)

4.) How long until we see anti-trust lawsuits?

[johnnyfiive]

Originally Posted by Weer

You've not heard of the loud, annoying people who claim that XP is better than Vista?

I've not heard of any business applications that won't work in Vista. In any case, that would be only a small amount of customers. We're talking about home editions anyway.

Don't forget about hospitals, accounting companies, insurance companies, etc. A lot of specialized applications ARE NOT supported on anything other than Windows XP. By support, it literally means support. If you have an issue with an application and the OS is NOT XP, your not going to get vendor support. I deal with this stuff all the time at the hospital I work at. Aside from that, a lot of the applications we have bought are not designed to work on anything but XP. Even though compatibility mode is available, it doesn't mean the application will magically work.

We will NEVER go to Vista and we will take a long time to go to Win 7. M$ wants businesses to go to Win 7, thats why they are adding a Virtual XP. Makes sense to me.

[timta2]

And you do know that the "Virtual PC" some of you guys are all excited about was originally a Mac software product right? I was running 98 back in the day in Mac OS 9 using Virtual PC. Talk about a fun experience, hehe.

Microsoft Acquires Connectix Virtual Machine Technology http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...rtitionPR.mspx

[Polarman]

I'd rather see a Virtual DOS environment so i could play all my oldies without using DosBox.

[Hayder_Master]

Originally Posted by Mussels

you're forgetting the most important thing... the people who think vista is slow and nasty are the ones dumb enough to think a virtual XP will still be faster than vista

, dumm you talking right , i wish you come to country and see you are absolutely right

[HeadlessChicken]

Originally Posted by Mussels

i've worked in tons of places where they hired someone (usually a uni student) to write software for them, and they've nearly always taken a million shortcuts and it only works on the one OS.

yeah, like tieing apps to a spicific IE version(or IE period) my mother has a few billing apps like that shes had to abandon due to ms updates killing them and it taking MONTHS for the makers to update their damn programs.......real load of shit if u ask me.......

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Polarman

I'd rather see a Virtual DOS environment so i could play all my oldies without using DosBox.

Virtual PC allows that, I had Win3.11 installed on top of Dos 6.05(I think it was 6.05). Booted to a DOS prompted and then I had to run the command to boot Windows. Though I lost the virtual HD image when one of my hard drives died, and I've been too lazy to redo it.

Though installing 98 should give you a fair bit of compatibility with older games.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Virtual PC allows that, I had Win3.11 installed on top of Dos 6.05(I think it was 6.05). Booted to a DOS prompted and then I had to run the command to boot Windows. Though I lost the virtual HD image when one of my hard drives died, and I've been too lazy to redo it.

Though installing 98 should give you a fair bit of compatibility with older games.

the virtual system uses a virtual soundblaster 16, which was definately compatible with most of the DOS games out there.

[Shadin]

Biggest question in my mind - will this allow older games to play (like Diablo II, NWN) that tend to not like Vista/7?

[eidairaman1]

Those who are able to test it should be able to tell us that, otherwise it will be worth it to keep your old XP/98SE machine around for such games.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by Shadin

Biggest question in my mind - will this allow older games to play (like Diablo II, NWN) that tend to not like Vista/7?

you will have emulated 3D support, so games that require 3D graphics arent going to run well.