Building My First PC - Page 2

Dice · May 4, 2009, 01:24 AM

is that cooler compatible with i7? dosn't say i7 on newegg.

JudgeJimmie · May 4, 2009, 01:41 AM

Yeah I guess ure right, the thermal right looks good though. http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/therm...e-1366-rt.html.

Do I really need a heatsink fan if I don't plan on overclocking?

LittleLizard · May 4, 2009, 01:54 AM

I dont know if the corecontact freezer comes already with the s1366 bracket or u have to buy it apart. other than that, really nice. when u see your performance is not enough, get another 4830 or 4850 or 4870 and be happy

phanbuey · May 4, 2009, 02:17 AM

you will need a cooler for the i7, that chip runs hot as b4ll$.

JudgeJimmie · May 4, 2009, 02:20 AM

Ok, I found a mount for my original cooler.

One more very newby question. How do I make this computer compatible with bluetooth and other wireless options like that?

n-ster · May 4, 2009, 10:42 PM

I'm sry but I didn't read the thread, but for the i7, I think you should get the s1283V from xigmatek

Also, think about RAID 0 a drive

will make read write and copying much faster

Studabaker · May 4, 2009, 10:52 PM

I didn't read the whole thread and I'm wondering what made you go with i7 over Q9550? A Q9650, just a notch faster than the 9550 and speed you can attain without barely overclocking, performs the same as an i7 920 and you don't have to buy such an expensive board and memory...

JudgeJimmie · May 4, 2009, 10:55 PM

Basically, because I want the computer to last me through my college years, and the i7 seems to be the more up to date and thing of the future type of CPU. I was actually asking that question and no one seemed to give me a really straight answer. But for video editing and stuff the i7 seemed to be overall the better CPU and the thing that will be moving toward the future, more than the Q9950 was.
However, like I have said, I am new to this, and I am not too sure.

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Originally Posted by n-ster

I'm sry but I didn't read the thread, but for the i7, I think you should get the s1283V from xigmatek

Also, think about RAID 0 a drive

will make read write and copying much faster

I have no idea what a Raid 0 Drive is or does. Is there a recommended model you could give me? And will there be a big price difference?

n-ster · May 4, 2009, 10:57 PM

i7 beats the hell out of Q9650...

a 4ghz i7 beats a 4.2ghz Q9650 in anything anytime

Studabaker · May 4, 2009, 10:59 PM

I've seen the benchmarks and Q9650 = i7 920 in performance.

Studabaker · May 4, 2009, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JudgeJimmie

I have no idea what a Raid 0 Drive is or does. Is there a recommended model you could give me? And will there be a big price difference?

RAID0 requires you to get two of the same drive. In the system, they function as one drive, and so two 7200RPM drives work like a single 14KRPM drive. People (including me) do it for speed, and it's pretty damn fast, but the only problem is that if one drive dies, you lose all your data (but hey, that's what backups are for).

phanbuey · May 4, 2009, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n-ster

i7 beats the hell out of Q9650...

a 4ghz i7 beats a 4.2ghz Q9650 in anything anytime

lol i think a 4 GHz i7 will beat a 5Ghz Q9650 in anything multithreaded seeing as a lowly i7 at 2.66ghz stock spanks the 3.2Ghz QX in just about everything.

JudgeJimmie · May 4, 2009, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Studabaker

RAID0 requires you to get two of the same drive. In the system, they function as one drive, and so two 7200RPM drives work like a single 14KRPM drive. People (including me) do it for speed, and it's pretty damn fast, but the only problem is that if one drive dies, you lose all your data (but hey, that's what backups are for).

Ok, cool, that sounds like it could be a little more expensive, and a little bit to advanced for someone building their first Com like I am. Maybe in a year I will want to upgrade to that, unless any of you know a good reason why I shouldn't wait.

phanbuey · May 4, 2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JudgeJimmie

Ok, cool, that sounds like it could be a little more expensive, and a little bit to advanced for someone building their first Com like I am. Maybe in a year I will want to upgrade to that, unless any of you know a good reason why I shouldn't wait.

its only like $60 more, and you shouldnt wait because its a PITA reinstalling everything from scratch. You'll waste more time than the initial $60 is worth. Best way to raid is:
2 cheap, fast, low GB hdd's with large caches in raid 0 for the system and the programs, and then one giant non-raided 1tb drive for files, movies, pron, etc etc

that way if the array goes down, you dont lose everything. And you can back up images of your array on the 1tb; its easy there are programs that do it for you.

This is a great drive for 2 way raid: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148262

JudgeJimmie · May 4, 2009, 11:13 PM

Well I guess I'll look into it. How much would it improve the performance of the system? I am getting near the top of my budget and I don't know if it would be worth the extra 60-100 dollars.

It would add about $100 dollars to my build if I used those too and then the cheapest TB HD I found. It would aslo add 900 GB more HD Space.

Studabaker · May 4, 2009, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JudgeJimmie

Well I guess I'll look into it. How much would it improve the performance of the system? I am getting near the top of my budget and I don't know if it would be worth the extra 60-100 dollars.

Installing, copying, moving, and expanding files--ESPECIALLY expanding files like extracting RARs and stuff, all that is about twice as fast. For me, extracting RARs/TARs etc is MORE than twice as fast as it used to be on a single 7200RPM drive (note that it was not SATA which may have to do with it, but WOW I'm stunned at the speed of these drives in RAID0!)

phanbuey · May 4, 2009, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JudgeJimmie

Well I guess I'll look into it. How much would it improve the performance of the system? I am getting near the top of my budget and I don't know if it would be worth the extra 60-100 dollars.

Dont do it then, in a year or so when you upgrade, go straight for SSDs and raid those.

Studabaker · May 4, 2009, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phanbuey

Dont do it then, in a year or so when you upgrade, go straight for SSDs and raid those.

Also a good idea.

JudgeJimmie · May 4, 2009, 11:19 PM

What are SSD's?

n-ster · May 4, 2009, 11:22 PM

IMO it is worth it... do it with 2 of theses or theses (cheaper)... VERY easy to install...

Q9650=i7 ? LOL??? since when? MAYBE in games at stock lol... but that's not a fair comparaison... try both OCed on Air.... i7 > any Qxxxx anyday anywhere anyhow

Dice · May 4, 2009, 11:22 PM

solid state drives, cutting edge tech, pricy as hell now but dropping rapidly. I think raid is overkill to be honest, this will be the fastest computer you have ever used.

n-ster · May 4, 2009, 11:25 PM

SSDs will take more than 1 year to become interesting... RAID 0 now IMO, Fast as hell

Then, when you get the money, you can buy a 1tb storage drive or something

JudgeJimmie · May 4, 2009, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dice

solid state drives, cutting edge tech, pricy as hell now but dropping rapidly. I think raid is overkill to be honest, this will be the fastest computer you have ever used.

I think your right Dice, especially since right now I'm sitting on a 3 year old iBook laptop. 1.42Ghz Processor with 1 GB Ram. I just get intrigued with all things computer lol.

JudgeJimmie · May 4, 2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n-ster

SSDs will take more than 1 year to become interesting... RAID 0 now IMO, Fast as hell

Then, when you get the money, you can buy a 1tb storage drive or something

I suppose if I just RAID with those two HD's It would only be about $20 more...

n-ster · May 4, 2009, 11:28 PM

but Raid is sooooooooo fast for soooooooo cheap

your perceived performance will be like 30% greater! and it's sooooooo easy to do! all this makes it a sooooo good thing to do!

soooooo do it

soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

System Name:	WTF?!.... Oh u bastard!
Processor:	I5 2500k
Motherboard:	Asus p8p67 pro
Cooling:	Water
Memory:	8GB Ripjawx
Video Card:	MSI 5870
Hard Disk:	60gb vertex 2e 2*1gb samsung f3 IN RAID 0, 1TB WD Caviar Black, 750GB Seagate Barracuda
Case:	Cooler Master ATCS 840
PSU:	650W Be Quiet Dark Power PRO
Software:	7 64bit

May 4, 2009, 01:54 AM	#28
LittleLizard Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Latin America, Uruguay Posts: 3,380 (2.02/day) Thanks: 339 Thanked 584 Times in 516 Posts System Specs	I dont know if the corecontact freezer comes already with the s1366 bracket or u have to buy it apart. other than that, really nice. when u see your performance is not enough, get another 4830 or 4850 or 4870 and be happy __________________ "oh no, i make a very good person. I eat poop and sleep just like everyone else. My sense of humour just happens to fall under the DnD category of Chaotic Evil." - Mussels "I was expecting a line of EVGA FTW condoms or something like that." - DrPepper "I like my sex like my basketball, one on one, and with as little dribbling as possible" - Robert-The-Rambler

System Name:	The Lizard
Processor:	Intel Core 2 Duo E4600
Motherboard:	Zotac G41 MAT-A-E
Cooling:	Intel Stock Fan
Memory:	2GB Kingston Value DDR2 @ PC2 5300
Video Card:	XFX GeForce 8600 GT 512mb DDR2
Hard Disk:	160GB Samsung F1 Sata
Optical Drive:	Samsung WriteMaster DVD R/RW
CRT/LCD Model:	AOC 917Sw 19' LCD
Case:	Generic Black Case
Sound Card:	Onboard Realtek
PSU:	Biswal 500W
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate x64

System Name:	LoLBoX
Processor:	Core i5 750 at 3.33 Ghz 21x159bclk @1.15v
Motherboard:	Gigabyte H55-ITX
Cooling:	Corsair H50
Memory:	8GB Samsung ECO 4GBx2 - 1590Mhz 8-8-8-21 1T @ 1.4v
Video Card:	EVGA GTX 570 @ 785/1570/2020
Hard Disk:	500GB WD Caviar Black 32MB
Optical Drive:	Slimline +/- DVD-RW
CRT/LCD Model:	22" Viewsonic 1080P LED
Case:	Silverstone SG08
Sound Card:	Yes
PSU:	Silverstone SG08 600W
Software:	Windows 7 64 Bit

May 4, 2009, 10:42 PM	#31
n-ster Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,306 (5.13/day) Thanks: 1,210 Thanked 1,420 Times in 1,153 Posts System Specs	I'm sry but I didn't read the thread, but for the i7, I think you should get the s1283V from xigmatek Also, think about RAID 0 a drive will make read write and copying much faster __________________ My Heatware

May 4, 2009, 01:24 AM	#26
Dice Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 183 (0.12/day) Thanks: 37 Thanked 38 Times in 35 Posts System Specs	is that cooler compatible with i7? dosn't say i7 on newegg.

May 4, 2009, 01:41 AM	#27
JudgeJimmie Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 65 (0.04/day) Thanks: 38 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah I guess ure right, the thermal right looks good though. http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/therm...e-1366-rt.html. Do I really need a heatsink fan if I don't plan on overclocking?

May 4, 2009, 02:17 AM	#29
phanbuey Eligible for custom title Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 5,011 (2.45/day) Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 960 Times in 813 Posts System Specs	you will need a cooler for the i7, that chip runs hot as b4ll$.

May 4, 2009, 02:20 AM	#30
JudgeJimmie Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 65 (0.04/day) Thanks: 38 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, I found a mount for my original cooler. One more very newby question. How do I make this computer compatible with bluetooth and other wireless options like that?

System Name:	Overkill? naaa, browsing TPU with this is extra special :)
Processor:	i7 3930k @ 4.5 Ghz
Motherboard:	AsRock Fatal1ty Pro
Cooling:	Corsair H80 Push-Pull Noctua fans
Memory:	16GB (4x4gb) 2133Mhz CL11 T1 Samsung UDIMM
Video Card:	7970 @ 1050 core
Hard Disk:	240GB Intel 520 SSD + 60GB Vertex 2 + (2+1)TB Seagate
Optical Drive:	Lite-On 24x DVD burner
CRT/LCD Model:	27" 2560x1440 [Korean] PCBANK
Case:	Lian-Li K62 + steelseries Sensei RAW or WoW Catalyst
Sound Card:	iBasso D10 + ATH-AD870 or Shure 750DJ
PSU:	Corsair HX850 + TT Meka G1 or Corsair K60 Mech Kbs
Software:	Windows 7 Professional X64

May 4, 2009, 10:52 PM	#32
Studabaker Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewhere in the underground Posts: 1,028 (0.66/day) Thanks: 52 Thanked 76 Times in 75 Posts System Specs	I didn't read the whole thread and I'm wondering what made you go with i7 over Q9550? A Q9650, just a notch faster than the 9550 and speed you can attain without barely overclocking, performs the same as an i7 920 and you don't have to buy such an expensive board and memory...

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Motherboard:	Gigabyte EP45-UD3R
Cooling:	Masscool 8WA741
Memory:	2x1GB Corsair XMS2 800 4-4-4-12
Video Card:	BFG 9800GTX+OC; GTS250 BIOS
Hard Disk:	2x WD 250GB AAKS in RAID0!
Optical Drive:	Lite-On DVD-RW
CRT/LCD Model:	19" I-Inc LCD @ 1440x900
Case:	Ultra X-Blaster Clear Side
Sound Card:	Audigy with X-Fi drivers; Logitech X-540s
PSU:	Corsair TX750
Software:	Vista 32-Bit

May 4, 2009, 10:57 PM	#34
n-ster Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,306 (5.13/day) Thanks: 1,210 Thanked 1,420 Times in 1,153 Posts System Specs	i7 beats the hell out of Q9650... a 4ghz i7 beats a 4.2ghz Q9650 in anything anytime __________________ My Heatware

May 4, 2009, 10:59 PM	#35
Studabaker Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewhere in the underground Posts: 1,028 (0.66/day) Thanks: 52 Thanked 76 Times in 75 Posts System Specs	I've seen the benchmarks and Q9650 = i7 920 in performance.

May 4, 2009, 11:13 PM	#40
JudgeJimmie Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 65 (0.04/day) Thanks: 38 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well I guess I'll look into it. How much would it improve the performance of the system? I am getting near the top of my budget and I don't know if it would be worth the extra 60-100 dollars. It would add about $100 dollars to my build if I used those too and then the cheapest TB HD I found. It would aslo add 900 GB more HD Space.

May 4, 2009, 11:19 PM	#44
JudgeJimmie Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 65 (0.04/day) Thanks: 38 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What are SSD's?

May 4, 2009, 11:22 PM	#45
n-ster Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,306 (5.13/day) Thanks: 1,210 Thanked 1,420 Times in 1,153 Posts System Specs	IMO it is worth it... do it with 2 of theses or theses (cheaper)... VERY easy to install... Q9650=i7 ? LOL??? since when? MAYBE in games at stock lol... but that's not a fair comparaison... try both OCed on Air.... i7 > any Qxxxx anyday anywhere anyhow __________________ My Heatware

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n-ster Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,306 (5.13/day) Thanks: 1,210 Thanked 1,420 Times in 1,153 Posts System Specs	SSDs will take more than 1 year to become interesting... RAID 0 now IMO, Fast as hell Then, when you get the money, you can buy a 1tb storage drive or something __________________ My Heatware

May 4, 2009, 11:28 PM	#50
n-ster Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,306 (5.13/day) Thanks: 1,210 Thanked 1,420 Times in 1,153 Posts System Specs	but Raid is sooooooooo fast for soooooooo cheap your perceived performance will be like 30% greater! and it's sooooooo easy to do! all this makes it a sooooo good thing to do! soooooo do it soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo __________________ My Heatware

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