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[El Fiendo]

Originally Posted by Dippyskoodlez

Time machine was a leopard feature from the start, just FYI.

So, you bought XP OEM in 2002.

Wheres that computer? Your OEM license is bound to that Pentium 4 or Athlon XP machine.

Otherwise, you're using your OS illegally. So, how many Licenses have you Legally been using?

And 10.0 won't run on Intel just FYI. Tiger/Leopard only. there are only 2 possible OS's for Intel mac users. Tiger came with, Leopard now comes with. I have a Macbook pro.

Right, sorry you were wanting 10.5.x. Oh well.

Its at my sister's place, running that license. So I guess that means I've been using 0 illegally? Thanks for the bold showing of concern.

I'm glad they dropped PPC. It was a bad processor. However if someone still has a PPC, as they wouldn't have been able to buy an Intel Mac when 10.0 came out, they'd have had to pay just the same. Or is 10.4 and 10.5 not backwards compatible to PPC. I don't know. If it isn't then Mac just forced them to update their hardware. Dandy, but its ok Windows does that too.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Originally Posted by farlex85

Uhm, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he bought a new computer. Which if you're still insisting on comparing to your experience would have been equivalent to your pre-pro mac. Not sure where your trying to go with that but it doesn't seem like anywhere useful.

He claims he hasn't bought Windows since 2002.

When it's quite the otherwise. He bought XP in 2002 via OEM, so he had to purchase it again when he upgraded his motherboard (Giving him the benefit of the doubt, going from his 2002 machine directly to what he has now.) which would make him atleast purchase a vista OEM or xp+Vista+Windows 7.

Regardless he is still over $300 wheres I'm still at $150+ not having to buy anti-virus, spend time tweaking to get proper performance, or scan for ad-ware, etc etc. It just works.

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

I'm glad they dropped PPC. It was a bad processor. However if someone still has a PPC, as they wouldn't have been able to buy an Intel Mac when 10.0 came out, they'd have had to pay just the same. Or is 10.4 and 10.5 not backwards compatible to PPC. I don't know. If it isn't then Mac just forced them to update their hardware. Dandy, but its ok Windows does that too.

Upgrading your mac, comes with an OS

So you straight up bought Vista 64 OEM for your current machine? And how much did that run you?

I used to have an iMac running 10.0... so you didn't have to buy EVERY update. I have a friend still running Tiger on his Macbook. He's happily computing away.

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by Dippyskoodlez

He claims he hasn't bought Windows since 2002.

When it's quite the otherwise. He bought XP in 2002 via OEM, so he had to purchase it again when he upgraded his motherboard (Giving him the benefit of the doubt, going from his 2002 machine directly to what he has now.) which would make him atleast purchase a vista OEM or xp+Vista+Windows 7.

Regardless he is still over $300 wheres I'm still at $150+ not having to buy anti-virus, spend time tweaking to get proper performance, or scan for ad-ware, etc etc. It just works.



Upgrading your mac, comes with an OS

You also spent way more for your computer (probably about $1k more) and it can't do as much (yes I mean games).

[Dippyskoodlez]

Originally Posted by farlex85

You also spent way more for your computer (probably about $1k more) and it can't do as much (yes I mean games).

$1800.

So you bought an $800 laptop with a 2.16ghz c2d, x1600m, 2gb ram, and 120gb hdd in 2007?

Um, no.

[El Fiendo]

Originally Posted by Dippyskoodlez

He claims he hasn't bought Windows since 2002.

Upgrading your mac, comes with an OS

I never made that claim. Not once.

Built into the price.

Originally Posted by Dippyskoodlez

It just works.

Then why does this site exist.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

Then why does this site exist.

I would like to buy your perfect OS that never needs updating. $30. kthx. PST.

[El Fiendo]

Well I'm sorry but you can't just say it works and not expect that. (It was a joke anyways, hence my rare use of smilie)

Also, I told you Vista 64 OEM $130. Bought straight up with an HDD (price not included).

[Dippyskoodlez]

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

Well I'm sorry but you can't just say it works and not expect that.

Also, I told you Vista 64 OEM $130. Bought straight up with an HDD (price not included).

$130 Vista64+Windows 7x64.

$150 tiger+Leopard+Snow leopard on a machine older than yours.

If my machine was up to date, it would be $30.

How do you pay less? Or is math different where you learned?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116676

Vista 64 is $150 from newegg, though too. Where'd you find it for $130? I'd like to know.

[El Fiendo]

Dippy, why must every post have a snide comment to me? Or at least the claim that I'm spreading lies. Why not just stuff that and try to spread the gospel, erm truth?

Why would your machine being older matter?

And lastly, Vista Business?
http://www.b-com.ca/product.php?productid=220426&page=1

And that's CAD too, whereas I was converting it to USD from the price I bought it at at the time.

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

Brings up an interesting point. I bought my Vista new for $130 CAD in an OEM deal. I have seen no downside in buying OEM and I wouldn't pay full price myself.

The downside is you are your own customer support and you have no one to call (besides Microsoft who charges you for help) if you need help. So you got to look on the internet for solutions. That is the downside.

[El Fiendo]

Originally Posted by Ravenas

The downside is you are your own customer support and you have no one to call (besides Microsoft who charges you for help) if you need help. So you got to look on the internet for solutions. That is the downside.

I don't mind this. Customer support is useless and simply tells you to 'try hitting reset'. I've never met a problem I couldn't solve, but every problem is one customer support can't solve.

As for the charging thing, look it up online. And doesn't Apple charge with Apple ProCare? Again, I don't know.

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by farlex85

You also spent way more for your computer (probably about $1k more) and it can't do as much (yes I mean games).

Lol... This is really laughable. Do you realize any Mac can install your copy of Windows XP SP2 (any version) as well as Vista (any version). It's called bootcamp. Therefore, actually yes any Apple computer can now play any windows game, through bootcamp, parallels, or emulation. You pick.

Research next time u make this claim.

[El Fiendo]

Originally Posted by Ravenas

Lol... This is really laughable. Do you realize any Mac can install your copy of Windows XP SP2 (any version) as well as Vista (any version). It's called bootcamp. Therefore, actually yes any Apple computer can now play any windows game, through bootcamp, parallels, or emulation. You pick.

Research next time u make this claim.

You buying those OSes? How's about a video card that will play them?

PC
Mac

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

I don't mind this. Customer support is useless and simply tells you to 'try hitting reset'. I've never met a problem I couldn't solve, but every problem is one customer support can't solve.

As for the charging thing, look it up online. And doesn't Apple charge with Apple ProCare? Again, I don't know.

You said there is no downside, and I named it. I don't mind it either, as I own an OEM Vista 64 Ultimate copy, but you can't not think of it as a downside.

Apple will charge you based on the problem, and if you didn't get the Apple care plan with your computer. Thus far, I've never had a problem with my Macbook and I've owned it three years.

Why do you keep comparing everything to what Apple does? Lol... you have so much resisenment.

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by Ravenas

Lol... This is really laughable. Do you realize any Mac can install your copy of Windows XP SP2 (any version) as well as Vista (any version). It's called bootcamp. Therefore, actually yes any Apple computer can now play any windows game, through bootcamp, parallels, or emulation. You pick.

Research next time u make this claim.

That's pretty laughable, since now you're talking about spending another $200-300 (boot camp+windows) on top of the already much higher price machine just to do things the "lowly" cheaper machine can do, and still the cheaper one does it better (run a few demanding games in boot camp and see what I mean).

Please, remove your foot from your mouth before speaking.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

Dippy, why must every post have a snide comment to me? Or at least the claim that I'm spreading lies. Why not just stuff that and try to spread the gospel, erm truth?

Why would your machine being older matter? .

My machine being older matters, because anything newer than mine COMES with Leopard, thus its upgrade cost is a nice $30 only.

Whereas Windows 7 costs you how much?

And by lies, I'm pointing out incorrect information you passed off as "true".

Last I checked, that qualified as a "lie".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

You buying those OSes? How's about a video card that will play them?

PC
Mac

At this point I'm going to choose to stop responding to your posts. Enjoy argueing for the sake of argueing, I don't know how many people on this forum I've met exactly like you.

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by farlex85

That's pretty laughable, since now you're talking about spending another $200-300 (boot camp+windows) on top of the already much higher price machine just to do things the "lowly" cheaper machine can do, and still the cheaper one does it better (run a few demanding games in boot camp and see what I mean).

Please, remove your foot from your mouth before speaking.

Why would I care if I spent another "x" amount of money if I own both a Windows PC and a Apple computer... You're claim still holds no water. You said an Apple computer couldn't play games, and then you were proven wrong.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Originally Posted by farlex85

That's pretty laughable, since now you're talking about spending another $200-300 (boot camp+windows) on top of the already much higher price machine just to do things the "lowly" cheaper machine can do, and still the cheaper one does it better (run a few demanding games in boot camp and see what I mean).

Please, remove your foot from your mouth before speaking.

... $200-$300? What?

I have a Retail Windows XP I have had from 2002. I haven't paid a dime for Windows since then.

And sorry, please show me where I paid $1000 more than you for a 2.16Ghz c2d, x1600, 15" laptop with 2Gb ram.

Boot camp is no different from Native.

*Points to Medal of Honor: Airborne icon on desktop*

http://img.techpowerup.org/090628/MOH.jpg

(I'm using Windows 7 RC)

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by Ravenas

Why would I care if I spent another "x" amount of money if I own both a Windows PC and a Apple computer... You're claim still holds no water. You said an Apple computer couldn't play games, and then you were proven wrong.

I don't know b/c money is important? You got me Ravenas, I clearly did not know of the wonders of boot camp and parallels.

Originally Posted by Dippyskoodlez

... $200-$300? What?

I have a Retail Windows XP I have had from 2002. I haven't paid a dime for Windows since then.

And sorry, please show me where I paid $1000 more than you for a 2.16Ghz c2d, x1600, 15" laptop with 2Gb ram.

Boot camp is no different from Native.

Uhm, we were talking legal right? I thought that was your bag. How much did you pay for XP?

What do you do w/ all that wonderful power you have on that laptop. Surf the web? Listen to music? Unless your answer happens to be graphic design or video editing, a much cheaper could do similar. Even if those are your forays, you should try a desktop.

[El Fiendo]

Farlex, this has simply turned into another Mac addicts defending their purchase to the death. Which every Windows thread turns into. What's worse is while they may have points that are good and valid in their favor, the fact that they can't start about this in a civilized manner kills the thread. I don't know about you but I'm out before Dippy gets starts getting even with his hammer.

Every time I try and learn about OSX the mad barking always scares me away.

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by farlex85

I don't know b/c money is important? You got me Ravenas, I clearly did not know of the wonders of boot camp and parallels.

Listen man, when I buy a PC game I play it on my Windows machine. That's why I have a Windows machine. When I do school work I use my Macbook. I have no bias... I use each for a purpose.

I'm just stating that yes it is easily possible for someone to play ANY Windows game on a Mac.

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

Farlex, this has simply turned into another Mac addicts defending their purchase to the death. Which every Windows thread turns into. What's worse is while they may have points that are good and valid in their favor, the fact that they can't start about this in a civilized manner kills the thread. I don't know about you but I'm out before Dippy gets starts getting even with his hammer.

Every time I try and learn about OSX the mad barking always scares me away.

Yeah I'll leave soon enough, but hey I still love a rousing Mac debate. Yeah it's that nose lowering thing again that is one of the biggest detractors from mac, it's a bit odd psychological phenomenon really......

[Dippyskoodlez]

Originally Posted by farlex85

Uhm, we were talking legal right? I thought that was your bag. How much did you pay for XP?

What do you do w/ all that wonderful power you have on that laptop. Surf the web? Listen to music. Unless your answer happens to be graphic design or video editing, a much cheaper could do similar. Even if those are your fortays, you should try a desktop.

I have no idea how much I paid way back when, but it has been used on my Athlon XP, 3 upgrades, and then my A64 system, and now my C2D. It could be considered free.

Right now as a student all I'm doing is mainly programming and the occasional Youtube video.

And I have a desktop. You might be interested in knowing I travel a lot, so a desktop is not acceptable for a workstation. Hence why I have a Macbook pro.

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

Farlex, this has simply turned into another Mac addicts defending their purchase to the death. Which every Windows thread turns into. What's worse is while they may have points that are good and valid in their favor, the fact that they can't start about this in a civilized manner kills the thread. I don't know about you but I'm out before Dippy gets starts getting even with his hammer.

I wouldn't use my hammer even If I had moderation privledges to prove a point. That's quite a rude accusation. Not once have I ever done such, or would.

You were the one calling me an asshat for pointing out information you posted was false. Sorry, carry on spreading information that isn't true. I won't hold you back.

Originally Posted by farlex85

Yeah I'll leave soon enough, but hey I still love a rousing Mac debate. Yeah it's that nose lowering thing again that is one of the biggest detractors from mac, it's a bit odd psychological phenomenon really......

Notice theres an equal and opposite reaction from PC fanboys?

[El Fiendo]

Originally Posted by Dippyskoodlez

I wouldn't use my hammer even If I had moderation privledges to prove a point. That's quite a rude accusation.

You were the one calling me an asshat for pointing out information you posted was false. Sorry, carry on spreading information that isn't true. I won't hold you back.

That top statement greatly improved my respect for you. Just so you know. I apologize if I offended you. It was meant more jokingly.

And I was actually meaning asshat in where you first called me ignorant. I don't believe at the time it was false. If it actually is, instead of going about calling me ignorant, you could always just enlighten.

Again, the equal reaction from me was at being called ignorant without reason. I don't like that.

@ Farlex

I like the way Macs have gotten, I really do. I hated them in their horrendous G3 / G4 days. But the more I see of the Mac attitude, the more I'm driven away from Mac's. However the Mac attitude has been fairly low key so far, but it can take off within a moments notice. But, its what's driven me to wash my hands of Apple thus far.