TPU's WCG/BOINC Team - Page 98

Chicken Patty · Jul 9, 2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

I have two 64-bit computers doing HPF and 553 results (gold badge) have been returned. No project has yet got an error accross my three computers.

From what I'm seeing, any errors at all means your computer is not stable. Lower overclocks or run at stock (like me) to get rid of them.

bro this setup can pass linx as much as I like, its stable trust me. so was my 3.8 GHz settings. it only that project, only that one.

Assassin48 · Jul 9, 2009, 10:01 PM

quick question

i have about 9 items done and they say Ready to report what do i have to do?

Do i hit Update on the main page like always do, but i read that i shouldn't be doing that
help please

FordGT90Concept · Jul 9, 2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicken Patty

bro this setup can pass linx as much as I like, its stable trust me. so was my 3.8 GHz settings. it only that project, only that one.

I bet it would work fine at stock...

Everyone's definition of "stable" is different. My definition is absolute: "zero hardware errors." So no, by my definition, it isn't stable. But, my opinion doesn't matter so, meh.

Let me give you a different perspective:

What if the algorithms for catching errors in the HPF tasks are superior to that of the other tasks? What if you are sending bad results on all the other projects but it isn't being caught? What if all those overclocked systems are invalidating the results? You get unhappy when HPF throws a flag at you--how do you know your overclocked hardware isn't invalidating all the results from stable hardware? Science is not an overclocking playground--benchmarks and stress tests are. As proof of this, name one supercomputer for scientific research that is overclocked/operating beyond recommended parameters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Assassin48

quick question

i have about 9 items done and they say Ready to report what do i have to do?

Do i hit Update on the main page like always do, but i read that i shouldn't be doing that
help please

There's nothing wrong with hitting update. Just don't do it every minute.

There is a setting to make it automatically report completed work. Some instructions to do that are in this post:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpo...8&postcount=31

Chicken Patty · Jul 9, 2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

I bet it would work fine at stock...

Everyone's definition of "stable" is different. My definition is absolute: "zero hardware errors." So no, by my definition, it isn't stable. But, my opinion doesn't matter so, meh.

Let me give you a different perspective:

What if the algorithms for catching errors in the HPF tasks are superior to that of the other tasks? What if you are sending bad results on all the other projects but it isn't being caught? What if all those overclocked systems are invalidating the results? You get unhappy when HPF throws a flag at you--how do you know your overclocked hardware isn't invalidating all the results from stable hardware? Science is not an overclocking playground--benchmarks and stress tests are. As proof of this, name one supercomputer for scientific research that is overclocked/operating beyond recommended parameters.

There's nothing wrong with hitting update. Just don't do it every minute.

There is a setting to make it automatically report completed work. Some instructions to do that are in this post:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpo...8&postcount=31

all I know is that 4Ghz I put out more points than I do at 3.8 GHz. which is obvious, but if setup was really unstable and not returning much results, my PPD should drop right? I will have to see at stock, but performance difference is pretty big. I by no means have a supercomputer for scientific research.

FordGT90Concept · Jul 9, 2009, 10:30 PM

Accurate results matter, not e-peen enlarging, meaningless points. This is science, after all (correct me if I'm wrong).

Chicken Patty · Jul 9, 2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Accurate results matter, not e-peen enlarging, meaningless points. This is science, after all (correct me if I'm wrong).

you are absolutely correct. But if this setup produces the best performance as far as daily use, gaming, etc. and the most PPD why should I change it? Most importantly, it has never crashed.

Jul 9, 2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Assassin48

quick question

i have about 9 items done and they say Ready to report what do i have to do?

Do i hit Update on the main page like always do, but i read that i shouldn't be doing that
help please

Yes hitting update should clear those, temporarily lose internet? Dont know why they arent sending

FordGT90Concept · Jul 9, 2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicken Patty

you are absolutely correct. But if this setup produces the best performance as far as daily use, gaming, etc. and the most PPD why should I change it? Most importantly, it has never crashed.

You contradicted your first statement in the second. An error is an error is an error. The only difference between a task erring and your computer crashing is which process the bits that went rogue belonged to.

I have made my point already and there is no sense in continuing. I've seen this discussion many times in the past and it has always proven fruitless.

p_o_s_pc · Jul 9, 2009, 11:02 PM

if all goes well my Phenom will be crunching tonight. I think i have found a stable and decent clock for it until i have more time

Chicken Patty · Jul 9, 2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

You contradicted your first statement in the second. An error is an error is an error. The only difference between a task erring and your computer crashing is which process the bits that went rogue belonged to.

I have made my point already and there is no sense in continuing. I've seen this discussion many times in the past and it has always proven fruitless.

you have made your point, and I have told you I agree. But just because something is getting an error deosnt make my computer unstable. it can be BOINC itself in this case. But I also agree that continuing this is pointless, everybody does have different opinions.

FordGT90Concept · Jul 9, 2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicken Patty

it can be BOINC itself in this case.

It isn't. 500+ results, zero errors, three computers (2005, 2007, 2008), three different processor architectures (K8, Core, Core i#), three different types of RAM (DDR, DDR2, DDR2 FB-DIMM), three different motherboard manufacturers (MSI, DFI, Tyan), three different BOINC clients (5 x64, 6 x86, 6 x64), and one constant: no overclocks.

Edit: My numbers will be down for today because of several severe thunderstorm warnings--only my server was running. Blah, too. The storm was big on bark (dark, ominous clouds) and small on bite (only one 15 minute period of lots of rain).

Still, better safe than sorry. The same system produced tennis ball sized hail.

Chicken Patty · Jul 9, 2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

It isn't. 500+ results, zero errors, three computers (2005, 2007, 2008), three different processor architectures (K8, Core, Core i#), three different types of RAM (DDR, DDR2, DDR2 FB-DIMM), three different motherboard manufacturers (MSI, DFI, Tyan), three different BOINC clients (5 x64, 6 x86, 6 x64), and one constant: no overclocks.

Edit: My numbers will be down for today because of several severe thunderstorm warnings--only my server was running. Blah, too. The storm was big on bark (dark, ominous clouds) and small on bite (only one 15 minute period of lots of rain).

Still, better safe than sorry. The same system produced tennis ball sized hail.

my problem is i'm never home to turn them off. While back I had a power surge take my mobo and CPU, back when I had a Athlon XP rig. now I'm fucked, everything happens while i'm at work.

p_o_s_pc · Jul 9, 2009, 11:40 PM

anyone willing to donate a AM2 or AM2+ board to me? I have everything i need to get another rig going but a board

btw Phenom is crunching now.

Chicken Patty · Jul 9, 2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by p_o_s_pc

anyone willing to donate a AM2 or AM2+ board to me? I have everything i need to get another rig going but a board

btw Phenom is crunching now.

i'm the same, need a board for a Socket 775, only thing missing. Good luck finding a board.

FordGT90Concept · Jul 9, 2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicken Patty

my problem is i'm never home to turn them off. While back I had a power surge take my mobo and CPU, back when I had a Athlon XP rig. now I'm fucked, everything happens while i'm at work.

All my computers have UPSs and auto-shut off after two minutes on battery. I see power outages maybe once a month on average and have gotten two direct lightning strikes to my power pole outside. Everything worth anything is surge protected or battery protected.

Chicken Patty · Jul 10, 2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

All my computers have UPSs and auto-shut off after two minutes on battery. I see power outages maybe once a month on average and have gotten two direct lightning strikes to my power pole outside. Everything worth anything is surge protected or battery protected.

I really need to get another one. Just crazy how something so important keeps slipping by.
I had my Athlon X2 rig hooked up to one with auto shutoff, it was great, but after that rig I never used one again.

Paulieg · Jul 10, 2009, 02:06 AM

Both of my i7 DO's are up and running, as is a PII 955. Hopefully over the next couple of days, my point totals will reflect it. Happy to be back running full strength.

Paulieg · Jul 10, 2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Assassin48

quick question

i have about 9 items done and they say Ready to report what do i have to do?

Do i hit Update on the main page like always do, but i read that i shouldn't be doing that
help please

They should report automatically. Wait and see, as I'm not sure if you'll lose the completed work if you update.

Assassin48 · Jul 10, 2009, 02:12 AM

i turned off the rig and truned it back on but nothing

still says ready to report

hat · Jul 10, 2009, 02:23 AM

I read somewhere that it auto-updates at 6PM

Assassin48 · Jul 10, 2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hat

I read somewhere that it auto-updates at 6PM

its 7:24PM

FordGT90Concept · Jul 10, 2009, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Paulieg

They should report automatically. Wait and see, as I'm not sure if you'll lose the completed work if you update.

You don't. You only lose the work if you "Reset Project." You want to "Update" before you "Reset Project" for that very reason.

Assassin48 · Jul 10, 2009, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

You don't. You only lose the work if you "Reset Project." You want to "Update" before you "Reset Project" for that very reason.

so update?
i dont want to lose all the work i have done

FordGT90Concept · Jul 10, 2009, 02:34 AM

Update. It will force it to try to download new tasks and upload completed tasks. If it can't do it, it will say "Deferred 00:00:00" which means it will try again after that much time passes.

Assassin48 · Jul 10, 2009, 02:37 AM

it went from ready to report to acknowledge then disappeared

so that means it registered right?

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Jul 9, 2009, 10:30 PM	#2430
FordGT90Concept "I go fast!1!11!1!" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: IA, USA Posts: 10,565 (6.29/day) Thanks: 1,751 Thanked 2,594 Times in 1,959 Posts System Specs	Accurate results matter, not e-peen enlarging, meaningless points. This is science, after all (correct me if I'm wrong). __________________ Golden Rule of Programming: Never assume. try { SteamDownload(); } catch (Steamception ex) { RageQuit(); }

Jul 9, 2009, 11:02 PM	#2434
p_o_s_pc F@H&WCG addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newark ohio Posts: 9,916 (4.49/day) Thanks: 3,158 Thanked 2,215 Times in 1,685 Posts System Specs	if all goes well my Phenom will be crunching tonight. I think i have found a stable and decent clock for it until i have more time __________________ crunching for TPU on 30 CPU Threads + 688 Cuda cores More to come

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Jul 9, 2009, 11:40 PM	#2438
p_o_s_pc F@H&WCG addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newark ohio Posts: 9,916 (4.49/day) Thanks: 3,158 Thanked 2,215 Times in 1,685 Posts System Specs	anyone willing to donate a AM2 or AM2+ board to me? I have everything i need to get another rig going but a board btw Phenom is crunching now. __________________ crunching for TPU on 30 CPU Threads + 688 Cuda cores More to come Last edited by p_o_s_pc; Jul 9, 2009 at 11:46 PM.

Jul 10, 2009, 02:06 AM	#2442
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Jul 10, 2009, 02:12 AM	#2444
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Jul 10, 2009, 02:23 AM	#2445
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Jul 10, 2009, 02:34 AM	#2449
FordGT90Concept "I go fast!1!11!1!" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: IA, USA Posts: 10,565 (6.29/day) Thanks: 1,751 Thanked 2,594 Times in 1,959 Posts System Specs	Update. It will force it to try to download new tasks and upload completed tasks. If it can't do it, it will say "Deferred 00:00:00" which means it will try again after that much time passes. __________________ Golden Rule of Programming: Never assume. try { SteamDownload(); } catch (Steamception ex) { RageQuit(); }

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Assassin48 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 95350 Posts: 2,760 (1.65/day) Thanks: 286 Thanked 518 Times in 460 Posts System Specs	it went from ready to report to acknowledge then disappeared so that means it registered right? __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

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