AMD Demos 48-core ''Magny-Cours'' System, Details Architecture

btarunr · Aug 26, 2009, 01:48 PM

Earlier slated coarsely for 2010, AMD fine-tuned the expected release time-frame of its 12-core "Magny-Cours" Opteron processors to be within Q1 2010. The company seems to be ready with the processors, and has demonstrated a 4 socket, 48 core machine based on these processors. Magny Cours holds symbolism in being one of the last processor designs by AMD before it moves over to "Bulldozer", the next processor design by AMD built from ground-up. Its release will provide competition to Intel's multi-core processors available at that point.

AMD's Pat Conway at the IEEE Hot Chips 21 conference presented the Magny-Cours design that include several key design changes that boost parallelism and efficiency in a high-density computing environment. Key features include: Move to socket G34 (from socket-F), 12-cores, use of a multi-chip module (MCM) package to house two 6-core dies (nodes), quad-channel DDR3 memory interface, and HyperTransport 3 6.4 GT/s with redesigned multi-node topologies. Let's put some of these under the watch-glass.

Socket and Package
Loading 12 cores onto a single package and maintaining sufficient system and memory bandwidth would have been a challenge. With the Istanbul six-core monolothic die already measuring 346 mm² with a transistor-load of 904 million, making something monolithic twice the size is inconceivable, at least on the existing 45 nm SOI process. The company finally broke its contemptuous stance on multi-chip modules which it ridiculed back in the days of the Pentium D, and designed one of its own. Since each die is a little more than a CPU (in having a dual-channel memory controller, AMD chooses to call it a "node", a cluster of six processing cores that connects to its neighbour on the same package using one of its four 16-bit HyperTransport links. The rest are available to connect to neighbouring sockets and the system in 2P and 4P multi-socket topologies.

The socket itself gets a revamp from the existing 1,207-pin Socket-F, to the 1,974-pin Socket G34. The high pin-count ensures connections to HyperTransport links, four DDR3 memory connections, and other low-level IO.

Multi-Socket Topologies
A Magny-Cours Opteron processor can work in 2P and 4P systems for up to 48 physical processing cores. The multi-socket technologies AMD devised ensures high inter-core and inter-node bandwidth without depending on the system chipset IO for the task. In the 2P topology, one node from each socket uses one of its HyperTransport 16-bit links to connect to the system, the other to the neighbouring node on the package, and the remaining links to connect to the nodes of the neighbouring socket. It is indicated that AMD will make use of 6.4 GT/s links (probably generation 3.1). In 4P systems, it uses 8-bit links instead, to connect to three other sockets, but ensures each node is connected to the other directly, on indirectly over the MCM. With a total of 16 DDR3 DCTs in a 4P system, a staggering 170.4 GB/s of cumulative memory bandwidth is achieved.

Finally, AMD projects a up to 100% scaling with Magny-Cours compared to Istanbul. Its "future-silicon" projected for 2011 is projected to almost double that.

Source: INPAI

FreedomEclipse · Aug 26, 2009, 02:29 PM

Christ on a bike 48core??? F@H Here i come!!

mdm-adph · Aug 26, 2009, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

Christ on a bike 48core??? F@H Here i come!!

Bah -- it's an impressive setup, but you could probably still do more folding with a few GTX 295's, right?

AlienIsGOD · Aug 26, 2009, 02:39 PM

Its still impressive nonetheless. A native 12 core Proc OHHEMMGEE!!!

A Cheese Danish · Aug 26, 2009, 02:48 PM

Hooray for 12 core Opty's!

I may have to get a few

Mussels · Aug 26, 2009, 02:48 PM

Jeebers help us all...

human_error · Aug 26, 2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienIsGOD

Its still impressive nonetheless. A native 12 core Proc OHHEMMGEE!!!

Actually it is 2 native 6 cores in one package like the Core 2 Quad processors (which were 2 dual cores in one package). This means that the shared L3 is shared between two sets of six cores and not across all 12 cores and that each 6 cores only has dual channel memory as opposed to having quad channel across 12 cores - it just means if one core needs more bandwidth than dual channel can provide then it would bottleneck but in such a multithreaded environment anything running on that would have to be designed to run on multi-cpu setups (which would also limit max bandwidth available to one core at a time to be dual channel speeds) anyway.

wahdangun · Aug 26, 2009, 03:03 PM

i think you have a typo, "multi-chip module (MXM)"

i think it should be MCM not MXM

MXM is for GPU on laptop

Velvet Wafer · Aug 26, 2009, 03:11 PM

GIVE IT TO ME!^^

48 crunching tabs running 24/7 a 3ghz....

YEAH

tidas · Aug 26, 2009, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

Christ on a bike 48core??? F@H Here i come!!

yes....but can it crysis?

Castiel · Aug 26, 2009, 03:39 PM

I want one. Would go great with my network design.

Mussels · Aug 26, 2009, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tidas

yes....but can it crysis?

in software mode, most likely.

Breathless · Aug 26, 2009, 03:46 PM

what ever happened to "real men use real cores".

This isn't 12 "real" cores....

[I.R.A]_FBi · Aug 26, 2009, 03:49 PM

they are real, really glued together ....

Mussels · Aug 26, 2009, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breathless

what ever happened to "real men use real cores".

This isn't 12 "real" cores....

it is in fact 12 real cores.

the 'less than real' cores refers to hyperthreading, not the sticky tape approach.

mdm-adph · Aug 26, 2009, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breathless

what ever happened to "real men use real cores".

This isn't 12 "real" cores....

No, they are 12 "real" cores, but this isn't a "real" 12-core. Make sense?

Kitkat · Aug 26, 2009, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

it is in fact 12 real cores.

the 'less than real' cores refers to hyperthreading, not the sticky tape approach.

i spit my coffee lol

Velvet Wafer · Aug 26, 2009, 04:13 PM

if this isnt a 12 core, core quad wont be a quad

multipacking makes no difference

thezorro · Aug 26, 2009, 04:35 PM

intel is losing the war, what happened to the tick tock? or is tic tac?
just my two cents

TheMailMan78 · Aug 26, 2009, 04:53 PM

Damn it someone beat me to the Crysis joke. Not only that they registered to do it

Quote:

Originally Posted by thezorro

intel is losing the war, what happened to the tick tock? or is tic tac?
just my two cents

Dude your lost on this.

a111087 · Aug 26, 2009, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thezorro

intel is losing the war, what happened to the tick tock? or is tic tac?
just my two cents

I wouldn't be so quick about it. from what i've seen, these 12-cores will not come to desktops, not anytime soon, at least.

El Fiendo · Aug 26, 2009, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thezorro

intel is losing the war, what happened to the tick tock? or is tic tac?
just my two cents

Intel's market share: 79.1% in the fourth quarter of 2008
AMD's market share: 12.8% in the fourth quarter of 2008

I wish I could lose at girls as well as Intel is said to be losing to AMD. I'd be rolling on a pile of women whilst giggling with glee every night.

TheMailMan78 · Aug 26, 2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Fiendo

Intel's market share: 79.1% in the fourth quarter of 2008
AMD's market share: 12.8% in the fourth quarter of 2008

I wish I could lose at girls as well as Intel is said to be losing to AMD. I'd be rolling on a pile of women whilst giggling with glee every night.

You still can with enough methamphetamines.

El Fiendo · Aug 26, 2009, 05:03 PM

So copious amounts of meth is Intel's key to success as well then? Or is that strictly a me only scenario?

Aug 26, 2009, 05:32 PM

Yea AMD! W00T!

But what I really want to say is directed at themailman.

Are you listening?

That avatar is genuinely disturbing.

I'll let you know in a couple days if that is compliment or not.

Carry on.

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Aug 26, 2009, 05:03 PM	#24
El Fiendo Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 1,846 (1.07/day) Thanks: 363 Thanked 1,183 Times in 546 Posts System Specs	So copious amounts of meth is Intel's key to success as well then? Or is that strictly a me only scenario? __________________ “If you don't dip your words in sugar, rainbows and teddy bears people will think you wish to hunt them down to torture and eventually kill them.” -DanTheBanjoman

Aug 26, 2009, 05:32 PM	#25
twilyth Guest Posts: n/a (0/day)	Yea AMD! W00T! But what I really want to say is directed at themailman. Are you listening? That avatar is genuinely disturbing. I'll let you know in a couple days if that is compliment or not. Carry on.

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