Aftermarket Cooler worse than OEM?

Munki · Jan 6, 2010, 12:36 AM

Okay guys, so im a little itchy about this. I was hoping I just didnt set the new HSF on very well, and after the 3rd time redoing this, its not a seating issue. Stock HSF w/ "termal paste" was setting my PII 955 @ 49.5 C and this aftermarket cooler is sitting at 49.9 C.

Should I give it some time to settle?

because this is very annoying.

Cooler - AC Freezer Pro 7 Rev 2

CPU - AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE

MOBO - Asus M4A79XTD EVO socket AM3

RAM - Ripjaws 2x 2gb DDR3 1600

Any ideas felloe TPUers?

TheShad0W · Jan 6, 2010, 12:45 AM

It's a shit cooler, but it shouldn't be THAT shit?
Weird, I assume you've tried reseating it etc?

Munki · Jan 6, 2010, 12:48 AM

My rev 1 was wonderful. Ive seen many many more good reviews than bad on this cooler. If I get home tomorrow and this thing is sitting at 50+ C its coming off. Its crunching all the time so its always under a load even when im gaming. I just don't understand it. I was already flustered with mounting this thing. Its was a weird azz mount.

MKmods · Jan 6, 2010, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheShad0W

It's a shit cooler, but it shouldn't be THAT shit?
Weird, I assume you've tried reseating it etc?

LOL, are you serious?

Its an excellent cooler and works well for 99.9% of users.

Munki · Jan 6, 2010, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

LOL, are you serious?

Its an excellent cooler and works well for 99.9% of users.

Im that other tenth of a percent

EDIT......50.8C now

now 51C

MKmods · Jan 6, 2010, 12:54 AM

its most likely operator error. I have used at least 20 of these things (im using one now with my AMD 250 and the temps are in the very low 20s)

Is the fan running full speed?

You said the mount was a prob are you sure its flat and properly mounted?

(if It keeps raising thn its likely not mounted correctly)

Giving it time to settle isant needed, should be fine right from the beginning

Munki · Jan 6, 2010, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

its most likely operator error. I have used at least 20 of these things (im using one now with my AMD 250 and the temps are in the very low 20s)

Is the fan running full speed?

You said the mount was a prob are you sure its flat and properly mounted?

(if It keeps raising thn its likely not mounted correctly)

This being the billionth PC ive built I think Its seated right. but ill pull it again and see what this things issue is. I will say whoever made this mounting idea for AC, they need a vacation.

MKmods · Jan 6, 2010, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munki

This being the billionth PC ive built I think Its seated right. but ill pull it again and see what this things issue is. I will say whoever made this mounting idea for AC, they need a vacation.

Its unlikely "billionth" especially if you are having a prob with a simple mount like this.

Its an excellent mount that allows mounting in all 4 posistions.

after mounting again set the fan to 100% and see if that helps.

And if you keep mounting/unmounting make sure to clean off the TIM and apply new stuff.
Here is mine right now

Asylum · Jan 6, 2010, 01:00 AM

Is the tim spread out good on the chip and cooler when you remove it?
May have a contact issue if not.

Munki · Jan 6, 2010, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

Its unlikely "billionth" especially if you are having a prob with a simple mount like this.

Its an excellent mount that allows mounting in all 4 posistions.

after mounting again set the fan to 100% and see if that helps.

And if you keep mounting/unmounting make sure to clean off the TIM and apply new stuff.
Here is mine right now
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...icts/Temps.png

Well, I just noticed that go around it having 4 screw holes instead of the two outers I was using, So I moved one to the inner mount. It seems to me as if the surface of the cooler is especially small. Although, ive very flustered, so its probably fine.

I checked the BIOS temp when it went back from its cold boot. 34C. So thats roughly idel when its in the OS. The CPU is going full blast so im going to stop crunching it and look at the temps. Maybe soemthing will jump out at me.

cadaveca · Jan 6, 2010, 01:51 AM

Some pastes on stock coolers have a wax component that can kill temps when re-pasting. If there was any hint of colour left from the old paste, that's probably the culprit.

newtekie1 · Jan 6, 2010, 01:59 AM

The AC Freezer Pro 7 is a pretty poor aftermarket cooler. I wouldn't be surprised by 50°C under load with a stock 955. Its fine for a dual-core processor, but I wouldn't use it on a quad, it quickly gets overwhelmed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

Its unlikely "billionth" especially if you are having a prob with a simple mount like this.

Its an excellent mount that allows mounting in all 4 posistions.

after mounting again set the fan to 100% and see if that helps.

And if you keep mounting/unmounting make sure to clean off the TIM and apply new stuff.
Here is mine right now
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...icts/Temps.png

So you are comparing an idle dual-core w/ no L3 vs. a loaded quad-core w/ 6MB L3...

And you're being condescending toward him...

Munki · Jan 6, 2010, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

The AC Freezer Pro 7 is a pretty poor aftermarket cooler. I wouldn't be surprised by 50°C under load with a stock 955. Its fine for a dual-core processor, but I wouldn't use it on a quad, it quickly gets overwhelmed.

So you are comparing an idle dual-core w/ no L3 vs. a loaded quad-core w/ 6MB L3...

And you're being condescending toward him...

What are the odds of you recommending me a cooler for this rig? When I was looking at reviews it never crossed my mind what exactly they were cooling with it. So thanks for pointing that out.

Kenshai · Jan 6, 2010, 02:39 AM

Pick up one of the Xigmatek coolers or the clones. That seems to still be near top for price to performance. I'll recommend either the hdt-s1283 or 1284 both will work just fine for you.

theonedub · Jan 6, 2010, 02:42 AM

NT1 hit the nail on the head and Kenshai followed up with a great recommendation. As someone who has used both the AC7 (just got another one to cool a dual) and a Xig DK (on my Q9550) I concur with them completely.

MKmods · Jan 6, 2010, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheShad0W

It's a shit cooler, but it shouldn't be THAT shit?

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

The AC Freezer Pro 7 is a pretty poor aftermarket cooler.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munki

I will say whoever made this mounting idea for AC, they need a vacation.

First it is an excellent cooler and all 3 statements are incorrect

And second I am being a lot more condescending to you for spreading such trash

Add to that they Thanked you for that bit of wisdom(garbage) and it goes to show how silly rumor/innuendo gets spread all over the internet by experts

Munki · Jan 6, 2010, 02:52 AM

Tomorrow after work im going to have a HSF swapping party. Stock back on this rig. and the ol 7 rev 2 is moving down the line to the 3800+ which is currently on stock HSF stable at 2.2ghz.

newtekie1 · Jan 6, 2010, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenshai

Pick up one of the Xigmatek coolers or the clones. That seems to still be near top for price to performance. I'll recommend either the hdt-s1283 or 1284 both will work just fine for you.

Couldn't have said it better myself, both the 1283 and 1284 are great coolers for the price.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

First it is an excellent cooler

And second I am being a lot more condescending to you for spreading such trash

No, by today's standards it isn't excellent, there are so many better coolers. The AC Freezer Pro 7 falls on it's face with modern quads. It still does decent on the duals, but the quads just overwhelm it.

Aaaawwww, is the baby mad we are dissing his choices in hardware?

The only trash in this thread is your claims that it is an excellent cooler, and your crap evidence to back that BS claim up. Clearly it isn't, as it is outperformed by the stock AMD quad-core cooler.

Lets throw it a party! It can keep a dual-core at 20°C when idle! That should be the gold standard for all coolers!!!! Fuck other tests, if it can keep a 65w dual-core at 20°C idle, it is an excellent cooler!!! Load temps? Those don't matter, fuck load temps. Forget testing it on some of those higher processors, who cares if they put out 125w, that shit don't matter, it can keep a X2 250 cool when idle so it's the best cooler in the WORLD!!!! How dare you say otherwise! Idiot...(See I can be an ass too, except I actually know what I'm talking about.

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erocker · Jan 6, 2010, 03:14 AM

Was the stock heatsink the heatpipe version? If it's a "hot" chip, it could saturate the Freezer 7 as much as the stock hsf, it just may take a little longer. Freezer 7's were designed for dual core's really. Is there good pressure between the cpu and the heatsink?

Kantastic · Jan 6, 2010, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Was the stock heatsink the heatpipe version? If it's a "hot" chip, it could saturate the Freezer 7 as much as the stock hsf, it just may take a little longer. Freezer 7's were designed for dual core's really. Is there good pressure between the cpu and the heatsink?

I was about to ask about that, if the stock heatsink was the copper one with the heatpipes, you're not going to see much of an improvement.

Munki · Jan 6, 2010, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Was the stock heatsink the heatpipe version? If it's a "hot" chip, it could saturate the Freezer 7 as much as the stock hsf, it just may take a little longer. Freezer 7's were designed for dual core's really. Is there good pressure between the cpu and the heatsink?

The stock HSF was the 4 heatpipe version (rather nice). As for pressure its got some ilbs to it, no doubt. It came with two retainers on either side to hook to the mounting bracket, and screws to screw it to the HSF bracket itself. Im not real sure that makes any sense.

DirectorC · Jan 6, 2010, 11:13 AM

What I'm wondering this whole time is what load temps look like.

Kantastic · Jan 6, 2010, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirectorC

What I'm wondering this whole time is what load temps look like.

If you look closely, it shows his CPU at 100%.

Munki · Jan 6, 2010, 04:33 PM

Kantastic is correct. This machine crunches almost 24/7

aCid888* · Jan 6, 2010, 04:49 PM

You've taken a sidestep in cooling ability to be honest; the stock AMD cooler is pretty damn good (about 17.2x better designed than Intel's) and while the Freezer is also a decent cooler, it cant keep up with a quad due to the huge heat output.

If you wanted aftermarket cooling you should of spent $20 more and got one of the new-age beasts that are on the market.....any of the top 10 air coolers will be better than your stock AMD cooler or the Freezer.

Edit: I happen to use a Freezer on an E2200 and it works fine, even OCed to 3.2GHz the cooler does a great job for the money.....I just wouldn't use it on a quad is all.

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